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In reply to the discussion: This, and not economic anxiety, is what elected Trump. [View all]Garrett78
(10,721 posts)80. Tim Wise on white denial:
If I were to ask you, Do you believe that folks of color had equal opportunity and were treated equally in 1963, or whether or not black children were treated equally in schools and had equally educational opportunity in 1962, I know right now no one in here would say, Well, of course, naturally they did in 1963. That was a damn good year to be black or brown in America. Everyone regardless of your opinion in 2007 would quickly acknowledge how bad it was back in the day, because it is no sweat off your back. Forty four, forty five years later, its easy to talk about how bad it was, but see, heres the trick: What do you think those white folks said when those very questions were put to them in 1963, and in 1962, in a time where the apartheid system was very much in effect? It was before the Civil Rights act, before the fair voting acts, before the fair housing act. In retrospect, we can all look back and say how profoundly unequal it was, and yet when white folks were asked, some of them our parents, our grandparents, great uncles great aunts. These ancestors of ours were asked the very same question in 1963. Do you think people of color they didnt use that term, they said racial minorities Do you think that racial minorities are treated equally in your community? And 80% of white folks said yes. In 1962, when Gallup asked, Do you think that black children receive equal educational opportunities in your community? 90% of white folks said yes. Nothing to see here. What is all this complaining? What is this march on Washington? I dont get it. I dont understand it. In fact, the very month of that march, which now it seems every white liberal wants you to think they were at. The very month of that march, white folks were asked by Newsweek what they thought about it. They said, 2/3 of whites said, that Dr. King and the Movement were pushing too far too fast, asking for too much and too soon. The idea that this country was ready to hear this even at this time when we know how vicious it was, is a lie. What does it mean that white folks were in denial in 1962 and 63?
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Haven't white people suffered enough? - From Matt Groening's Things Republicans say when no one
FSogol
Oct 2017
#1
If we say it's just white people being meanspirited...what chance is there of changing anything?
Ken Burch
Oct 2017
#15
I agree that white people need to stop being racist. That any movement for change
Ken Burch
Oct 2017
#25
There is a financial investment in keeping us divided. If we can't see that...if we can't address
JCanete
Oct 2017
#72
Right, but I noted above, "economic inequality" tends to dominate the conversation
Orrex
Oct 2017
#32
Have you ever considered that as a white male, your opinion of how racism should be addressed
VermontKevin
Oct 2017
#82
how much economic success would it take to get these bigots to let go of their antipathies?
bigtree
Oct 2017
#94
Look, I'm not arguing that economic justice in and of itself would end racism
Ken Burch
Oct 2017
#103
Lets start by not saying all we need to do is propose progressive economic policies and they will
stevenleser
Oct 2017
#99
I totally agree with you on that. I've never said that progressive economic policies
Ken Burch
Oct 2017
#102
Its really sad that there is a segment of folks on our side of the aisle who will dismiss empirical
stevenleser
Oct 2017
#93
We didnt need the study but nice to have it, wont matter though, because right here
Eliot Rosewater
Oct 2017
#4
oh yeah christian whitel folks are terribly oppressed, so oppressed they are not billiionaires
Thomas Hurt
Oct 2017
#6
When you're used to white privilege just a little leveling of the playing field for POCs seems...
brush
Oct 2017
#13
I've got to start picking up the junk calls on my phone and take the polls. This is nuts.
Vinca
Oct 2017
#14
Yeah, he tapped into those old racial anxieties that have been with us forever.
Tobin S.
Oct 2017
#16
why do you think that isn't connected to economic anxiety? Yes, it is also just plain privileged
JCanete
Oct 2017
#26
Cause it's a false reason, might as well blame puppies ... That's why it's not econ exiety
uponit7771
Oct 2017
#64
Well that was convincing. You are absolutely wrong if you think it isn't a factor in how people
JCanete
Oct 2017
#71
My experience with a group of hardcore Hillary-haters were that they'd done well in the Obama years.
Girard442
Oct 2017
#28
Because it's absolutely not possible for human behavior to be driven by more than one variable
loyalsister
Oct 2017
#45
I don't believe economically disadvantaged people automatically blame minorities and immigrants
bigtree
Oct 2017
#59
it took leadership to turn Americans away from their antipathies in the civil rights 'era'
bigtree
Oct 2017
#61
you do understand that vast economic disparity isn't really addressed if it isn't addressed on
JCanete
Oct 2017
#73
Well, there is the left-wing argument, and then there is the national corporate propaganda that
JCanete
Oct 2017
#75
Sure, but we only need a small percentage. We don't need all of them. And we could get that
JCanete
Oct 2017
#81
No longer being alone on top AND not being able to discriminate as easily as they used to be able
lunasun
Oct 2017
#79
And it didn't have a damn thing to do with "economic anxiety" back then either.
Garrett78
Oct 2017
#95
it's really not either/or. trying to turn everything into a competition doesn't solve anything. nt
TheFrenchRazor
Oct 2017
#84
"Latinos, women, gays, immigrants- take your pick - have been getting special attention, protected"
bigtree
Oct 2017
#88
Not allowing people of color to vote elected the White Supemacist Asshole. Jim Crow
L. Coyote
Oct 2017
#98