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Ken Burch

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104. Agreed that white people should stop being assholes.

Reply to Orrex (Reply #19)

Sun Oct 29, 2017, 12:29 AM

Oct 2017

And that economic justice cannot IN AND OF ITSELF solve racism-all I've ever argued was that it's PART of solving it.

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This, and not economic anxiety, is what elected Trump. [View all] bigtree Oct 2017 OP

Haven't white people suffered enough? - From Matt Groening's Things Republicans say when no one FSogol Oct 2017 #1

How is this even possible? MuseRider Oct 2017 #2

Whites can no longer freely use the "N" word without repercussions or shame maxrandb Oct 2017 #40

Cuz they "see it" on Fox News LeftInTX Oct 2017 #52

Same here.. mountain grammy Oct 2017 #90

Don't read too much into it zipplewrath Oct 2017 #3

nah Eliot Rosewater Oct 2017 #5

FFS Cosmocat Oct 2017 #8

And yet all over the world there is a distinct causal relationship mythology Oct 2017 #37

Its a bullshit rationalization Cosmocat Oct 2017 #38

Same here. HughBeaumont Oct 2017 #48

My inlaws are decent people overall Cosmocat Oct 2017 #58

My BIL is a Trump supporter LeftInTX Oct 2017 #50

Everything you note is "culture" Cosmocat Oct 2017 #57

K & R, good summary! KY_EnviroGuy Oct 2017 #67

the 'economic fear' bigtree Oct 2017 #12

If we say it's just white people being meanspirited...what chance is there of changing anything? Ken Burch Oct 2017 #15

Then white people should stop being bigoted assholes Orrex Oct 2017 #19

well said. JHan Oct 2017 #20

+1,000,000,000 ismnotwasm Oct 2017 #21

Thank you, Orrex! sheshe2 Oct 2017 #24

I agree that white people need to stop being racist. That any movement for change Ken Burch Oct 2017 #25

Any time "economic inequality" is brought up, it eclipses all other concerns Orrex Oct 2017 #31

I agree with everything you said in that first paragraph. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #35

There is a financial investment in keeping us divided. If we can't see that...if we can't address JCanete Oct 2017 #72

One doesn't "fix" the other zipplewrath Oct 2017 #27

Right, but I noted above, "economic inequality" tends to dominate the conversation Orrex Oct 2017 #32

Agreed. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #36

Yes, indeed! brer cat Oct 2017 #33

Yes, exacty! mountain grammy Oct 2017 #91

Agreed that white people should stop being assholes. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #104

Not calling it for what is enables it Cosmocat Oct 2017 #39

I am a white male too, and agree that racism should always be called out. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #56

Have you ever considered that as a white male, your opinion of how racism should be addressed VermontKevin Oct 2017 #82

OK. Fair point. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #83

"they" kinda says it all. VermontKevin Oct 2017 #85

Why? Ken Burch Oct 2017 #87

how much economic success would it take to get these bigots to let go of their antipathies? bigtree Oct 2017 #94

Look, I'm not arguing that economic justice in and of itself would end racism Ken Burch Oct 2017 #103

If that is what the data shows us, why wouldn't you want to say it? stevenleser Oct 2017 #96

I agree that we need to call out racism. Ken Burch Oct 2017 #97

Lets start by not saying all we need to do is propose progressive economic policies and they will stevenleser Oct 2017 #99

I totally agree with you on that. I've never said that progressive economic policies Ken Burch Oct 2017 #102

I don't think so zipplewrath Oct 2017 #23

you're speaking in abstracts bigtree Oct 2017 #29

Reality versus perception zipplewrath Oct 2017 #30

And the reason lower class whites have taken it on the chin NCDem777 Oct 2017 #47

Yep uponit7771 Oct 2017 #63

Its 100 percent bullshit Cosmocat Oct 2017 #68

It's not about benefiting them NCDem777 Oct 2017 #70

Its really sad that there is a segment of folks on our side of the aisle who will dismiss empirical stevenleser Oct 2017 #93

You forgot the sarcasm thingy. n/t Coventina Oct 2017 #18

Lol yardwork Oct 2017 #62

Yes exactly. elleng Oct 2017 #101

We didnt need the study but nice to have it, wont matter though, because right here Eliot Rosewater Oct 2017 #4

oh yeah christian whitel folks are terribly oppressed, so oppressed they are not billiionaires Thomas Hurt Oct 2017 #6

Someone (I don't know who) once said The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2017 #7

Truth! pandr32 Oct 2017 #11

Posted this 100 times Cosmocat Oct 2017 #9

True. That 84 % believe that discrimination exists delisen Oct 2017 #10

When you're used to white privilege just a little leveling of the playing field for POCs seems... brush Oct 2017 #13

I've got to start picking up the junk calls on my phone and take the polls. This is nuts. Vinca Oct 2017 #14

Yeah, he tapped into those old racial anxieties that have been with us forever. Tobin S. Oct 2017 #16

Majority Of White Americans Wish They Had Dark Skin and Nonwhite Features dalton99a Oct 2017 #17

They were fed a steady diet of resentment politics. JHan Oct 2017 #22

why do you think that isn't connected to economic anxiety? Yes, it is also just plain privileged JCanete Oct 2017 #26

Cause it's a false reason, might as well blame puppies ... That's why it's not econ exiety uponit7771 Oct 2017 #64

Well that was convincing. You are absolutely wrong if you think it isn't a factor in how people JCanete Oct 2017 #71

My experience with a group of hardcore Hillary-haters were that they'd done well in the Obama years. Girard442 Oct 2017 #28

True and False Tom Rinaldo Oct 2017 #34

Reverse discrimination and victimhood peggysue2 Oct 2017 #41

Yeah I know people who were civil before they started watching Fox. Initech Oct 2017 #44

Yep uponit7771 Oct 2017 #66

This is my heroine Motley13 Oct 2017 #42

Minds warped by Fox, right wing clergy, and AM hate radio. Initech Oct 2017 #43

Because it's absolutely not possible for human behavior to be driven by more than one variable loyalsister Oct 2017 #45

I'm white and have experienced racism towards me. Joe941 Oct 2017 #46

what about discrimination bigtree Oct 2017 #49

Well based on the definition of discrimination... Joe941 Oct 2017 #55

Recreational paranoia ck4829 Oct 2017 #51

They believe cuz they "see it" on Fox LeftInTX Oct 2017 #53

Economic anxiety and racism are linked marylandblue Oct 2017 #54

I don't believe economically disadvantaged people automatically blame minorities and immigrants bigtree Oct 2017 #59

I don't think it's automatic either marylandblue Oct 2017 #60

it took leadership to turn Americans away from their antipathies in the civil rights 'era' bigtree Oct 2017 #61

Your average rural R voter Cosmocat Oct 2017 #69

you do understand that vast economic disparity isn't really addressed if it isn't addressed on JCanete Oct 2017 #73

Bullshit deflection Cosmocat Oct 2017 #74

Well, there is the left-wing argument, and then there is the national corporate propaganda that JCanete Oct 2017 #75

There are these people called conservatives Cosmocat Oct 2017 #77

Sure, but we only need a small percentage. We don't need all of them. And we could get that JCanete Oct 2017 #81

Why Do They Hate Black Women so Much ? JI7 Oct 2017 #65

The below quoted is particularly idiotic; J_William_Ryan Oct 2017 #76

Their idea of discrimination is no longer being on top. Tatiana Oct 2017 #78

No longer being alone on top AND not being able to discriminate as easily as they used to be able lunasun Oct 2017 #79

Tim Wise on white denial: Garrett78 Oct 2017 #80

This is so true. mountain grammy Oct 2017 #92

And it didn't have a damn thing to do with "economic anxiety" back then either. Garrett78 Oct 2017 #95

Right, exactly. mountain grammy Oct 2017 #100

it's really not either/or. trying to turn everything into a competition doesn't solve anything. nt TheFrenchRazor Oct 2017 #84

White saying that they are discriminated against question everything Oct 2017 #86

"Latinos, women, gays, immigrants- take your pick - have been getting special attention, protected" bigtree Oct 2017 #88

This is what they say (nt) question everything Oct 2017 #89

Not allowing people of color to vote elected the White Supemacist Asshole. Jim Crow L. Coyote Oct 2017 #98

Make America White Again Awsi Dooger Oct 2017 #105