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Squinch

(51,098 posts)
64. It is a continuous thing in a woman's life.
Mon Nov 20, 2017, 09:05 AM
Nov 2017

Flashers when I was very young. A raging rape culture in college, which included many unreported rapes among my friends, some of them quite violent. I was lucky and was not raped, but the experience opened my eyes. Some of the perpetrators were boys I had previously considered friends and "nice guys." I'm sure they thought of themselves that way too. Though I was not raped, I came to understand that a woman can never really know if she is safe. This changed me fundamentally.

Continuous in my early jobs including being groped and cornered, being joked about to my face, being called a member of one boss's "harem" by another executive, and being called "cannon fodder" when I was one of the young attractive women who was required to wine and dine prospective clients "and make him feel like he's on a date." Lower pay and expectation of more servility than is required of men on every job until I got a union job.

Gropings on trains, men who required conversation on trains and yelled insults at me or followed me or threatened me when I did not give it to them. Friends' fathers propositioning me.

And that is in addition to the daily cat calls that a woman received in those days simply for walking down the street from the age of about 12 to about 45.

Now I am older. The harassment takes a much different form. An older woman is invisible. This is much preferable to being "visible" but it often takes forms that are quite rude and perplexing. A surprising percentage of man do not feel they owe civility to women they don't want to fuck. I am not vulnerable any more, though, which is an enormous relief.

too many to count, but only quit one job over it. femmedem Nov 2017 #1
wow that really sucks, all of it steve2470 Nov 2017 #4
This isn't something I've kept track of RockCreek Nov 2017 #2
You have a point JennyMominFL Nov 2017 #6
Agreed - When I was younger and did not want to lose a job ..... womanofthehills Nov 2017 #107
Many times JennyMominFL Nov 2017 #3
if you can guess, what percentage of the male Marines were respectful ? steve2470 Nov 2017 #7
More than half JennyMominFL Nov 2017 #9
I'm glad most were respectful and sorry the minority were assholes steve2470 Nov 2017 #18
66 year old survivor of Domestic Abuse and 4 time rape victim jodymarie aimee Nov 2017 #5
It isn't sex, it is assault. n/t demmiblue Nov 2017 #8
you are gonna lecture ME jodymarie aimee Nov 2017 #42
Yes, yes I am. demmiblue Nov 2017 #76
Better question might be FELT harrassed. Unlike being Hortensis Nov 2017 #10
good point! nt steve2470 Nov 2017 #11
The roving hands you describe DO mean you were targeted... bettyellen Nov 2017 #116
several times, probably more than i can remember. nt TheFrenchRazor Nov 2017 #12
Five or six stick out as serious meadowlander Nov 2017 #13
Every. Damn. Day. Tansy_Gold Nov 2017 #14
so sorry to hear this! nt steve2470 Nov 2017 #15
I'm not sure you understand Tansy_Gold Nov 2017 #24
yes I do not understand steve2470 Nov 2017 #26
Watch some of Jean Kilbourne's videos to learn how pervasive it is Tansy_Gold Nov 2017 #30
Best answer. Squinch Nov 2017 #51
Thank you. n/t Tansy_Gold Nov 2017 #57
yep ++++++++++++ JHan Nov 2017 #103
Like the others janterry Nov 2017 #16
What a prick. Corvo Bianco Nov 2017 #87
Too many too count. ananda Nov 2017 #17
Catcalls, strangers whipping it out BigmanPigman Nov 2017 #19
Whipping It Out In A Theater? ProfessorGAC Nov 2017 #65
Welcome to the world. I've seen it. More than once. Squinch Nov 2017 #66
Eeep! ProfessorGAC Nov 2017 #68
Eeep is right. It's just the creepiest thing ever. Squinch Nov 2017 #69
Nothing Above His Brain Stem ProfessorGAC Nov 2017 #70
. Squinch Nov 2017 #71
Same here. More than once. DesertRat Nov 2017 #99
When I was a young teenager some creep took my hand and put it on his penis. CTyankee Nov 2017 #96
I'm Astounded! ProfessorGAC Nov 2017 #100
I was a girl when it happened. I felt I couldn't tell my father because he might CTyankee Nov 2017 #104
Bummer! ProfessorGAC Nov 2017 #108
On the streets, three times, the trains twice. Two of them were beating off. bettyellen Nov 2017 #117
that's just disgusting and horrible steve2470 Nov 2017 #80
The one time that did me in was almost 30 years ago, Pathwalker Nov 2017 #20
wow steve2470 Nov 2017 #22
I did, but decided I'm not willing to risk being assaulted again. Pathwalker Nov 2017 #28
best wishes to you! nt steve2470 Nov 2017 #31
Too fucking often. Ilsa Nov 2017 #21
wow this thread is really eye-opening for me steve2470 Nov 2017 #23
Like everyone else mercuryblues Nov 2017 #25
Wrong question, not felt sexually harassed, BEEN sexually harassed or worse Motley13 Nov 2017 #27
No idea, but the honks and catcalls started at about age 12. pnwmom Nov 2017 #29
I never "felt" sexually harassed Texasgal Nov 2017 #32
They should teach about this in high school -- where to file a report if you're harassed pnwmom Nov 2017 #33
FIling reports can cost you your job crazycatlady Nov 2017 #38
True. But the poster had quit her job after one day, so she'd have had nothing to lose pnwmom Nov 2017 #40
Agree Meowmee Nov 2017 #44
At least a few times Meowmee Nov 2017 #34
More than I can count crazycatlady Nov 2017 #35
To be honest, I could always tell right from the start where it was going. I was from Jersey back monmouth4 Nov 2017 #36
Here's mine: rainin Nov 2017 #37
I've also had the dentist thing when I was in middle school - leaning his arm on my breasts while he womanofthehills Nov 2017 #48
Your story reminds me of one I forgot. meadowlander Nov 2017 #59
I was physically assaulted many times when I was in high school LeftInTX Nov 2017 #39
Too many to count nt Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #41
Edited my post above: LeftInTX Nov 2017 #43
In my beautiful-young-thing days fierywoman Nov 2017 #45
Zero SharonClark Nov 2017 #46
never ? steve2470 Nov 2017 #47
We were discussing this in my bookclub and two of the women also said never womanofthehills Nov 2017 #49
Lots of times. Nt raccoon Nov 2017 #50
From the age of ten. Uncountable. nolabear Nov 2017 #52
Wow! Bunch of times for me but nothing like what so many of you endured. dhol82 Nov 2017 #53
Once I was actually attacked trixie2 Nov 2017 #54
Wow your father is a piece of shit. Corvo Bianco Nov 2017 #89
Yes he was - he died last year trixie2 Nov 2017 #94
Felt Harassed RobinA Nov 2017 #55
A compelling thread. 3catwoman3 Nov 2017 #56
Too many to count. smirkymonkey Nov 2017 #58
a few times Skittles Nov 2017 #60
Same here, Skittles hamsterjill Nov 2017 #74
you rock, Skittles steve2470 Nov 2017 #75
in one of incidents, I ended up with a broken finger Skittles Nov 2017 #91
You must be taller? steve2470 Nov 2017 #92
naw, I'm pretty average Skittles Nov 2017 #97
Same for me, incidents, both large and small, have been coming back to me lately Rhiannon12866 Nov 2017 #61
Many times, yuiyoshida Nov 2017 #62
That dude was a total creeper. I am surprised he wasn't booted long before... demmiblue Nov 2017 #79
that sucks it happened here, of all places! nt steve2470 Nov 2017 #82
I've lost count. Solly Mack Nov 2017 #63
It is a continuous thing in a woman's life. Squinch Nov 2017 #64
Wow. Your last paragraph. So much truth. CrispyQ Nov 2017 #84
That's great! Squinch Nov 2017 #85
remember the heavy breathers on the phone? Skittles Nov 2017 #111
OMG! Yes! Or the ones that wanted to know what you were wearing! Squinch Nov 2017 #112
No way to put a number on it. cwydro Nov 2017 #67
More than I care to think about... Phentex Nov 2017 #72
Too many times to count. nt DesertRat Nov 2017 #73
These threads are so sad... Phentex Nov 2017 #95
Probably eye opening to some men DesertRat Nov 2017 #98
This thread is certainly eye-opening to me ClarendonDem Nov 2017 #102
Too many. CrispyQ Nov 2017 #77
This message was self-deleted by its author LovingA2andMI Nov 2017 #78
Which day? 2naSalit Nov 2017 #81
It would be a labor of pain to fulfill your counting request, I'll just share this recent shenanigan Corvo Bianco Nov 2017 #83
that is honestly one of the most bizarre things I've ever read.... steve2470 Nov 2017 #118
A few times pop to mind uppityperson Nov 2017 #86
Not making light of it, but this almost makes me laugh. Laffy Kat Nov 2017 #88
Too many times to count Bayard Nov 2017 #90
Lemme count . . . Ms. Toad Nov 2017 #93
Honestly, it is impossible to keep count, because it is so frequent and so pervasive a part of our tblue37 Nov 2017 #101
Probably less then most but Raine Nov 2017 #105
A couple of times that I can think of right off the top of my head but octoberlib Nov 2017 #106
What an incredible thread.. Permanut Nov 2017 #109
my pleasure! nt steve2470 Nov 2017 #115
Around 10 times Beringia Nov 2017 #110
only willing to list a few of the milder delisen Nov 2017 #113
thank you for your candor steve2470 Nov 2017 #114
Ask the question in a gender neutral way. roamer65 Nov 2017 #119
women harassing men ? steve2470 Nov 2017 #120
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