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178. I trust Joy and her instincts

Thu Nov 30, 2017, 01:17 AM

Nov 2017

more than most any politician. Nothing from Mrs. Sanders factually contradicts anything Joy said. Sanders has some nice pipe dreams - ones I loved at the beginning of the primary but came to see as smoke dreams that liberals have wished for for years, good for revving up the rabid base, but pointless in the real world of policy and politics.

One would do well to listen to Joy. Take of the blinders and see that all politicians have clay feet. I didn't worship Obama. I didn't think Hillary was perfection. But I supported them and think that they worked for getting things right with more intelligence and savvy. I can name what I see as the faults in each of them. If you don't see the flaws in your candidate, you have slipped over into hero worship and are looking for a savior that will do the job so that you don't have to.

It seems that many people found themselves radicalized by the fight for nomination. Oddly, I found myself moderatized. I would rather things get done than wish that miracles happen.

All in all, Sanders is a great politician for the left. Hillary is a great politician for the left. But they both have issues. I think that Joy has enumerated one of those for Bernie. Heaven knows there are a hundred media dogs out there happy to discuss the issues of a woman candidate.

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Joy Reid goes below the belt, Jane Sanders responds [View all] PatsFan87 Nov 2017 OP

I hate the way she comes at anything that deals with Bernie. DangerousUrNot Nov 2017 #1

Joy can see through much bullshit on many topics. BoneyardDem Nov 2017 #4

So I'm Sure She Went After Hillary Too nt SoCalMusicLover Nov 2017 #50

And of course someone has to bring Hillary into it...a red herring. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #60

Not just a red herring but an OFFENSIVE red herring. I think a review of the TOS is in order. George II Nov 2017 #89

I don't disagree. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #158

You realize that you're on DEMOCRATIC Underground, and our last Presidential nominee was.... George II Nov 2017 #87

In fairness, the issue was Joy's bias here ollie10 Nov 2017 #97

No it is not because the primary is over and it doesn't matter. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #159

But.....Joy was attacking one of the DEMOCRATIC contenders..... ollie10 Nov 2017 #194

I have no idea what you mean. I thought this was about Sen. Sanders who is an Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #200

So are you saying Joy's depiction of Sanders is good for Democrats? ollie10 Nov 2017 #244

I saw him kind of push his wife away on the video ;I I thought it was not nice.He is not a Democrat. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #261

Post removed Post removed Nov 2017 #336

Wait a minute ollie10 Nov 2017 #339

I thought Bernie was a Socialist! When did he become a Democrat? MojoWrkn Nov 2017 #266

Here is Trump on Bernie..... ollie10 Nov 2017 #278

wrong sanders was never a democrat. they don't owe him a dime Rene Nov 2017 #286

So this discussion is about resources?.... ollie10 Nov 2017 #289

It's either about the offense of resources or the defense of tin-gods and sacred cows. LanternWaste Nov 2017 #299

Democrat party? geardaddy Nov 2017 #332

Oops. Your slip is showing. Just walk away, Rene... chimpymustgo Nov 2017 #338

She wasn't "attacking" him, she was commenting on his attitude. And he's no longer a "contender". George II Nov 2017 #288

So if you are not a contender it is OK to take pot shots at him/her? ollie10 Nov 2017 #292

No reason to go after Hillary. yardwork Nov 2017 #195

You're right... Hillary is beside the point. Still think Joy was being wholly unfair to Bernie. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2017 #238

+1 progressoid Nov 2017 #296

Back in 2008, she referred to the "erratic gyrations of Hurricane Hillary"... Dr. Strange Dec 2017 #347

Completely disagree with your backhanded dig at Bernie chwaliszewski Nov 2017 #327

this whole thread is a shit show..are you going to post this to everyone else you don't agree with? BoneyardDem Nov 2017 #328

Not at all a person [sic] attack... chwaliszewski Nov 2017 #335

You were quick to claim my post was rehashing the Primaries....when it was all about Joy BoneyardDem Nov 2017 #337

Have a nice day! chwaliszewski Nov 2017 #341

Being so openly hostile toward someone undermines her ability to PatsFan87 Nov 2017 #8

I don't recall Joy R asserting that she's an unbiased reporter eleny Nov 2017 #15

There was a time when you didn't need to claim to be one, it was just assumed PatsFan87 Nov 2017 #39

I was weaned on the Walter Cronkite era eleny Nov 2017 #47

She is not a reporter...and Cronkite was certainly not unbiased...his reports helped Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #59

So you are saying that reporting the facts is biased? erronis Nov 2017 #93

Everyone has a bias. There is no way Cronkite and others of that time were unbiased... Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #155

The pretense that one can absolve themselves of all bias is irrational. LanternWaste Nov 2017 #302

And it's bullshit. Adrahil Nov 2017 #81

Exactly, just be honest...tell people where you are coming from...and let them decide. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #160

If she was a reporter you'd be correct, but she's not a reporter. She doesn't recite news or... George II Nov 2017 #108

What do tou suppose is in her job description, as MSNBC pundit? BoneyardDem Nov 2017 #143

Perhaps They Forget How Often She Had Nina Turner On To Talk Their Case Me. Nov 2017 #42

I only recall the Maher appearance and found that distasteful eleny Nov 2017 #56

Yes I Feel The Same About A Dem In The WH Me. Nov 2017 #129

I agree with you about wanting a real Dem. It's not too much to expect. eom eleny Nov 2017 #138

Being objective, "umbiased' is part of a reporter's job description whathehell Nov 2017 #52

I don't view her as a reporter but rather a commentator like when she started appearing on MSNBC eleny Nov 2017 #61

It has always been BS...and Cronkite and other went way beyond the 'fact' in their coverage of Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #161

You appear to confuse 'journalist' and 'editiorialist.' LanternWaste Nov 2017 #303

Joy is on point. See post 21 on this thread of Sanders ordering his wife to move. brush Nov 2017 #92

Joy Reid is not a reporter, she's a political talk show host, and probably among the top... George II Nov 2017 #98

As a pundit, Joy is allowed to be biased... and also WRONG, as she clearly is in this case. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2017 #239

Don't understand it... it's gettin' tiresome. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2017 #102

I know some here rush to Sen. Sander's defense as they expect him to run in 20 and he may... Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #202

She's probably convinced that HRC would have been elected Ken Burch Nov 2017 #184

Many folks feel that way...and the party took a hit too...which is why Sen. Sanders should not Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #204

I agree with you that he shouldn't run again. Ken Burch Nov 2017 #325

His supporters will either vote for us or not...there is not much we can do. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #350

I'm not even sure what "we live in a center left country" means. Ken Burch Dec 2017 #373

If Bernie's camp can't even handle JoyAnn Reid Blue_Tires Nov 2017 #264

I don't think that's correct, she was a Sanders supporter up until the convention. George II Nov 2017 #284

Bwaaaaahahahaha! You missed your turn. progressoid Nov 2017 #300

This maybe? Kahuna7 Nov 2017 #287

Joy did not hit below the belt....everything was factual BoneyardDem Nov 2017 #2

Would you provide us the facts then on how Bernie dismisses women PatsFan87 Nov 2017 #6

just one example BoneyardDem Nov 2017 #21

I think he was worried that he might accidentally hit her as he gestured while speaking. nt tblue37 Nov 2017 #24

That was my thinking as well. He famously flails his arms while giving speeches. PatsFan87 Nov 2017 #45

Mind reading from brief video clips only, even if of poor quality or sound, is an internet passion Fred Sanders Nov 2017 #57

And there were 30 ways he could have done that with grace. grantcart Nov 2017 #127

Oh my. Thats not a good look there. Tipperary Nov 2017 #43

She looks bewildered and embarrassed. It's quite clear. lunamagica Nov 2017 #123

Judging her reaction form that tiny clip does not prove anything. The Wielding Truth Nov 2017 #172

It does to me...this is one of the reasons I am not a Sanders supporter for the presidency in 20. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #206

Looks like she was uncertain were to go and he said. "Don't stand there". The Wielding Truth Nov 2017 #167

Telling firemen "set aside abortion" and calling it "identity politics...." bettyellen Nov 2017 #63

That is demonstrably untrue. Sanders has a life longrecord on supporting womens rights and fighting CentralMass Nov 2017 #78

Can't believe this is even debatable. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2017 #105

Thanks, CentralMass. democrank Nov 2017 #121

He was quoted, so no. It's true. He fucked up, big time. Women knew they weren't a priority long bettyellen Nov 2017 #142

Not lifelong at all. That is a serious misstatement. Wwcd Nov 2017 #145

This message was self-deleted by its author Wwcd Nov 2017 #148

Yes. I respect his work and from his history I see nothing against women. The Wielding Truth Nov 2017 #173

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I have a different opinion. Do you understand a large Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #207

Then why cant he use his VOICE the way he uses his vote? MrsCoffee Nov 2017 #203

They hear it, but choose to focus on his 'record'. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #209

He has been fighting his whole life for the disadvantaged. Look at his The Wielding Truth Nov 2017 #170

Umm .Certainly Not the Poorest of Sierra Blanca Texas. He fought against them with a House bill! Wwcd Nov 2017 #189

Well...it is not going well is it? Grad students are targeted by Trump's tax bill... Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #211

Not for the women and babies who are the poorest. Nope. bettyellen Nov 2017 #218

Jane's response was quite reasonable karynnj Nov 2017 #25

She has a right to her opinion. This is a mild comment...I wonder if Ms. Sanders has any idea how Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #34

More than having a right to have an opinion, she is the EXPERT on her relationship with Bernie! karynnj Nov 2017 #49

I think Sen.Sanders plans to run in 20...once you get the presidential fever, it is hard to break. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #64

Agreed. And that goes for Biden too. But I have to ask: can you imagine if Hillary was planning StevieM Nov 2017 #69

It is different for women...Hillary was treated unlike any candidate in history during the primary Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #73

That's exactly how I feel. It was such a national disgrace. StevieM Nov 2017 #76

Even now I feel a white hot rage when I think about it...no man would ever have been treated or Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #162

Agreed. No doubt about it. (eom) StevieM Nov 2017 #171

Ugggh, the comments would be awful and a woman of 78 would, on average, be healthier than a man nt karynnj Nov 2017 #115

Yep. Women live longer in general...I can imagine the the nasty remarks that would follow she would Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #165

I am not sure we did take a step back karynnj Nov 2017 #217

What about abortion rights? What about birth control? We have a situation where Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #265

I am reminded of what Obama said that progress is not a smooth path forward karynnj Nov 2017 #290

This is true. we take three steps forward and one step backwords...my Mother did not have her own Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #298

Agree with you completely karynnj Nov 2017 #306

I really did have a rough few years...mostly because I made really bad choices. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #351

On Inauguration Day in 2021: Biden would be 78; Sander 79; Warren 71; Trump 74 and Hillary 73 Justice Nov 2017 #233

Hillary is 6 yrs YOUNGER than Bernie and Justice Nov 2017 #177

I don't have to imagine...I can read up on 16 where she was treated worse than any candidate in Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #212

Presidential fever? Orsino Nov 2017 #271

No, presidential fever...It is an old term. You have to try again as this taste of presidential Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #352

Also, I don't believe there is much demand for Sen. Sanders to run... he makes that decision... Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #353

To be fair to Sanders--who I am not a fan of--I think his endorsement, if he doesn't run himself, StevieM Nov 2017 #67

Me too! renate Nov 2017 #71

Agreed. And Steyer is also a great environmentalist. I think he may surprise people. (eom) StevieM Nov 2017 #83

you missed one rtracey Nov 2017 #74

My dad is in total agreement with you. StevieM Nov 2017 #82

We need a red stater...I hope Sherrod Brown will consider it. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #75

I think it would be harder to be too much bigger than either of those karynnj Nov 2017 #95

We definitely have to meet up here in early 2019 when the candidates are entering the race. StevieM Nov 2017 #119

I agree that Sanders is very very active and has NOT said he won't karynnj Nov 2017 #125

I Don't Think Biden Has A Chance Me. Nov 2017 #134

Do you really believe Luis Gutierrez is planning to run? lunamagica Nov 2017 #141

I am assuming that some of the names I listed may not run. But all of them seem reasonably likely StevieM Nov 2017 #146

Well, if Guttierrez runs, I'll be a 100% behind him! lunamagica Nov 2017 #153

No, but wouldn't mind if he did. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2017 #243

Bingo! nt jrthin Nov 2017 #58

Yes indeed. cwydro Nov 2017 #130

+1 Jane is fully within her rights, Joy is out of line flamingdem Nov 2017 #104

+1000 WAY out of line! InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2017 #107

Am glad some sanity is happening on this flamingdem Nov 2017 #111

You got that right... Bernie is a shining example on women's rights... InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2017 #124

Shining example? BoneyardDem Nov 2017 #147

Yes. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2017 #164

I wish I could agree with you, but I don't. His comments on planned parenthood and Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #216

Where do you get these ideas from Demsrule? InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2017 #234

They both are within their rights...and those who support Sanders should prepare for an onslaught of Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #213

Thank you! pandr32 Nov 2017 #112

Agreed! I witnessed Bernie treating his wife rudely a couple of times at campaign events. Is MojoWrkn Nov 2017 #267

Good for you Jane. Sometimes the pundits start to feel their oats, not good...n/t monmouth4 Nov 2017 #3

Jane DESTROYED Joy on that one... good for her!! InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2017 #236

I would have much rather read from Joy Reid a report TheDebbieDee Nov 2017 #5

That would be an interesting read. MrsCoffee Nov 2017 #9

Please provide a credible link to a DOJ investigation of that sort or of Russian banks. karynnj Nov 2017 #27

I'm not sure of the Russian bank part of this, but it's common knowledge that the FBI.... George II Nov 2017 #65

The bank involved is NOT Russian, but is headquartered in Connecticut. karynnj Nov 2017 #118

Like I said, I wasn't sure of the Russian part of it, but there definitely is an investigation.... George II Nov 2017 #128

Is Jane a Democrat? lunamagica Nov 2017 #144

Wow Me. Nov 2017 #44

Rumored where? melman Nov 2017 #48

Rumor shit post. David__77 Nov 2017 #79

Here's some slimy shit for you... TheDebbieDee Nov 2017 #131

So where's the Russian bank thing come from? melman Nov 2017 #149

It was SPECULATED that Russians could somehow have been involved TheDebbieDee Nov 2017 #156

Where? melman Nov 2017 #157

Post removed Post removed Nov 2017 #163

Your post is what is rumor. Hard to believe youve missed R B Garr Nov 2017 #137

Where's the Russian connection in this reality? progressoid Nov 2017 #295

Okay, so the standard now is that politicians are responsible for their spouses actions? InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2017 #237

He famously told his wife not to stand next to him on stage while gently pushing her away. MrsCoffee Nov 2017 #7

That's what I remember, so I think Joy was on point. Laurian Nov 2017 #10

He was awful on stage to Hillary as well. MrsCoffee Nov 2017 #53

Being able to read minds must be nice. Everyone has their quirks after decades of close marriage. Fred Sanders Nov 2017 #14

Yes because telling his wife not to stand next to him during a speech where he famously PatsFan87 Nov 2017 #23

Joy, Twitrrr is not well suited to making a delicate and highly speculative point. An apology? Fred Sanders Nov 2017 #11

I would not apologize...it was a fair comment. Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #36

Post removed Post removed Nov 2017 #12

there is a small faction heaven05 Nov 2017 #17

Yes you got that right. Tipperary Nov 2017 #46

Very well stated Progressive dog Nov 2017 #70

This isn't like Joy to be generally judgmental without proof. The Wielding Truth Nov 2017 #13

She wasn't when she was with him at a Burlington event on his birthday karynnj Nov 2017 #30

There's a video at a rally that demonstrates it very well. George II Nov 2017 #109

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO CatWoman Nov 2017 #16

Guilty! haha. I've been cheering them on since the 90s PatsFan87 Nov 2017 #20

Bernie on womens rights/issues .. CentralMass Nov 2017 #18

Jane should prove her wrong by releasing the tax returns JI7 Nov 2017 #19

What does that have to do with Joy's comment? progressoid Nov 2017 #315

Cheap shot, Reid. TheCowsCameHome Nov 2017 #22

I include people who repeatedly trash the Democratic party in that "real enemy" group. Squinch Nov 2017 #80

+++ sheshe2 Nov 2017 #90

Yep mcar Nov 2017 #99

Yes!! This cannot be said enough. R B Garr Nov 2017 #150

The way BS goes after the real enemy? murielm99 Nov 2017 #190

4 hours ago... progressoid Nov 2017 #308

That has to be a first, murielm99 Nov 2017 #310

I just checked the last 30 days of his twitter feed. Nothing about Dems or Hillary. progressoid Nov 2017 #314

It would be awesone if he fnally realized critisizing Dems and Hillary was damaging to Democrats. BoneyardDem Nov 2017 #319

Have you read Hillary's book? progressoid Nov 2017 #334

Bernie is on video shooing his wife away and MaryMagdaline Nov 2017 #26

This. Yes. Thank you. NurseJackie Nov 2017 #31

Well said. nt cwydro Nov 2017 #77

Damn right her tone is nasty, exactly as it should be Kentonio Nov 2017 #96

Joy isnt a reporter. She is a commentator and tv host. MrsCoffee Nov 2017 #196

Sorry but a story from a former political opponent doesn't cut it. Kentonio Nov 2017 #210

Its his voice that is the problem, not his votes. MrsCoffee Nov 2017 #215

OMG they found some human flaws on Sanders! LiberalLovinLug Nov 2017 #114

Bad manners are a sign of disrespect MaryMagdaline Nov 2017 #117

It's also a sign of those with a high I.Q. and socially awkward. Just visit IBM's Poughkeepsie Labs. TheBlackAdder Nov 2017 #132

That sure doesnt sound like a long-term elected Senator. R B Garr Nov 2017 #175

Well said!! There are plenty of legitimate things one can pick on with ANY politician on our side... InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2017 #242

I've seen more than one instance of dismissiveness radical noodle Nov 2017 #133

. melman Nov 2017 #28

I've never seen that. Hilarious. PatsFan87 Nov 2017 #51

That popinjay says whatever makes her the most clicks and consultant money. Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2017 #168

So Joy was a Bernie fan before she was a... SMC22307 Nov 2017 #169

Unsure what you're sayin here-was it not a good thing Joy supported Hillary in the general election InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2017 #240

Of course, all hands on deck. However... SMC22307 Dec 2017 #344

Oh okay, now I get what you're saying. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2017 #345

+1 progressoid Nov 2017 #316

lol... disillusioned73 Nov 2017 #224

Thank you, Joy! I appreciate your honesty and bravery! NurseJackie Nov 2017 #29

I will NOT watch Joy because of how I've seen her treat people on twitter. MelissaB Nov 2017 #32

Yeah I am sure Bernie Fans all feel that way..so? Change the channel...it doesn't make a bit of Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #37

I has NOTHING to do with Bernie for me. It's the way she responds to some people MelissaB Nov 2017 #41

I said the same thing about how he treated his wife...why is that wrong? And one Demsrule86 Nov 2017 #54

I agree. TV host greatness does not come automatically with witty or insightful brevity. Fred Sanders Nov 2017 #55

I don't get MSNBC mcar Nov 2017 #101

This Is the Same Feeling I Got When... Leith Nov 2017 #33

Isnt she also Sanders tax preparer? NCTraveler Nov 2017 #35

And so are you. It's amusing to read the lame counter-attacks on Joy... NurseJackie Nov 2017 #248

Joy has been fighting the good fight, overall. NCTraveler Nov 2017 #301

That definitely appears to be the case... NurseJackie Nov 2017 #307

Well, that was an out-of-character tweet...inappropriate and disappointing. Miles Archer Nov 2017 #38

I completely agree with Joy 4now Nov 2017 #40

And then THIS fuckin thread ismnotwasm Nov 2017 #62

Yep. fleabiscuit Nov 2017 #181

Needless to say I agree with Joy on most issues, and I agree with her on this one as well. nt Tarheel_Dem Nov 2017 #66

Reid has a right to her opinions, but her opinions are important because of her celebrity. guillaumeb Nov 2017 #68

Why does anyone care if Joy Ried Trumpocalypse Nov 2017 #72

The one millions of Democrats voted for? David__77 Nov 2017 #86

Many Dems voted for Trump Trumpocalypse Nov 2017 #230

This is why...... Red Mountain Nov 2017 #94

ding ding ding questionseverything Nov 2017 #188

Well maybe is Sanders were working to Trumpocalypse Nov 2017 #229

Sorry jane nini Nov 2017 #84

I'm Team JOY. What in her tweet was incorrect? ecstatic Nov 2017 #85

I'm with Jane (and I love joy but..) flamingdem Nov 2017 #88

Post removed Post removed Nov 2017 #91

Boom SeaDoo77 Nov 2017 #100

Silly Me. Nov 2017 #136

Reid did not hit below the belt. Blue_true Nov 2017 #103

What record, what facts? These are smears against him flamingdem Nov 2017 #106

My thoughts exactly! InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2017 #110

There is video and written information on Bernie that proves Joy's point. nt Blue_true Nov 2017 #113

I'd like to see it - anyone? flamingdem Nov 2017 #122

Really? You haven't seen Bernie's "women love rape" essays? ecstatic Nov 2017 #186

I posted a video w-a-y upthread BoneyardDem Nov 2017 #253

try bing , google. stonecutter357 Nov 2017 #257

If Jane has to defend Bernie against any of these statements now.... ehrnst Nov 2017 #280

I generally like Joy, BUT MurrayDelph Nov 2017 #116

I like Joy. WinkyDink Nov 2017 #120

Amazing angrychair Nov 2017 #126

Excellent post! Docreed2003 Nov 2017 #208

We have an adult in the room! LiberalLovinLug Nov 2017 #279

It's time to get off Jane's back. NanceGreggs Nov 2017 #135

My Dear Nance, you have such a way with words. Tarheel_Dem Nov 2017 #185

Word is that Carina's run for mayor is behind all this. VermontKevin Nov 2017 #322

Sorry, we saw the videos, Jane Sanders. R B Garr Nov 2017 #139

I agree with Joy. Tavarious Jackson Nov 2017 #140

Thank You Joy. About time someone says what many believe about Sanders Wwcd Nov 2017 #151

I didn't like Bernie's podium treatment of his wife elfin Nov 2017 #152

I used to like Joy -- until Bernie started giving Hillary a run for her money. KPN Nov 2017 #154

Joy is awesome. Love her. LexVegas Nov 2017 #166

Meh BannonsLiver Nov 2017 #174

Thank you, Joy. I'm with you. leftofcool Nov 2017 #176

I trust Joy and her instincts Jakes Progress Nov 2017 #178

Follow the eyes. nt fleabiscuit Nov 2017 #179

This message was self-deleted by its author LovingA2andMI Nov 2017 #180

Lol! Journalists are supposed to discuss politicians. yardwork Nov 2017 #198

Fired? Over-reacting much? Where do you get the idea she's NOT doing her job as a Pundit? BoneyardDem Nov 2017 #245

Sorry, can't get worked up over the hurt feelings... LuvLoogie Nov 2017 #182

I fully expect the DNC surrogates to attack Bernie madville Nov 2017 #183

Team Jane Raine Nov 2017 #187

Jane GETS to be the authority on this. Joy Reid nor any DUer has that privilege. End of Discussion. phleshdef Nov 2017 #191

That's not how it works with public figures. Hence this forum. bettyellen Nov 2017 #219

That's how it works when she is his wife and you aren't phleshdef Nov 2017 #222

You keep repeating that, doesn't make it so. bettyellen Nov 2017 #223

No, the fact that his wife is the authority on how her husband treats her makes it so phleshdef Nov 2017 #225

Oh dear, you're confused. You think we can't trust what we see and hear and should instead rely on a bettyellen Nov 2017 #226

Post removed Post removed Nov 2017 #232

The headline: Joy going below the belt and Jane responding, I thought ... betsuni Nov 2017 #192

Disappointing. demmiblue Nov 2017 #193

Just more of the hate Bernie crap left-of-center2012 Nov 2017 #197

Since Jane is putting herself in the public arena, I have some questions for her: yardwork Nov 2017 #199

I'm with Joy. She didn't lie or make anything up. lunamagica Nov 2017 #201

Check it out! Elsewhere... NurseJackie Nov 2017 #255

Not everyone can get on YouTube and pitch for LSD. fleabiscuit Nov 2017 #275

yep...when he pushed his wife out of the way on stage...was weird... samnsara Nov 2017 #205

Sigh...the responses here are predictable....a Docreed2003 Nov 2017 #214

Yep, I remember him pushing past I think it was Collins trying to get to McCain when he came seaglass Nov 2017 #220

Disgusting... disillusioned73 Nov 2017 #221

the Auto-trash by Keyword is not working . stonecutter357 Nov 2017 #227

This is... Mike Nelson Nov 2017 #228

Joy doesn't need to use Jane Sanders to demean her husband. LiberalFighter Nov 2017 #231

I always thought Jane was a little too controlling of Bernie. The larger point is that Justice Nov 2017 #235

Joy works for Comcast-one of the big media conglomerates in the US. It's #31 on the jalan48 Nov 2017 #241

LOL! NurseJackie Nov 2017 #246

Because you trust Comcast soooooo much. jalan48 Nov 2017 #247

Joy is honest and has integrity. (This isn't about Comcast.) Clearly... NurseJackie Nov 2017 #250

Good luck with your support of Comcast. I'm sure they will do the right thing when jalan48 Nov 2017 #251

I'll take that as an admission that Joy is right, because... NurseJackie Nov 2017 #256

We need banners and flags to show which corporate giant we support. jalan48 Nov 2017 #260

Thanks again for emphasizing that "attacking the messenger" is the only defense you have... NurseJackie Nov 2017 #268

Media giant Comcast and it's political commentators leading the charge from the left. Resist! jalan48 Nov 2017 #272

LOL! NurseJackie Nov 2017 #276

Did Joy Reid have honesty and integrity in 2008 when she called Hillary an insane racist bent on... Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2017 #269

Hillary supporeters likley didn't like it then, JUST like Bernie suporters don't like it now BoneyardDem Nov 2017 #273

You had to go back nine years to find some dirt on Joy Reid? George II Nov 2017 #274

Integrity is something you either have or you don't. Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2017 #285

Are you equally irate about what everyone said years ago? George II Nov 2017 #291

What's this got to do with Hillary? Eliot Rosewater Nov 2017 #293

Sadly if one criticizes one person, the other one immediately gets brought into the discussion. George II Nov 2017 #294

What stuns me are white people, assume they are white people, using a black persons concern with Eliot Rosewater Nov 2017 #297

Psst: Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2017 #304

Psst: George II Nov 2017 #309

I though you might want to admonish. Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2017 #311

Different context, entirely. Nice try though. George II Nov 2017 #313

I assume the post does not contain your own opinion since you use "excerpts" BoneyardDem Nov 2017 #312

Here ya go. Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2017 #318

So somewhere between 2008 (when those articles were written) and today, Joy Reid.. BoneyardDem Nov 2017 #320

The more logical explanation is she's full of shit Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2017 #323

Well, I don't think that's quite right, she's done some incredible work in dubunking RW tall tales BoneyardDem Nov 2017 #326

I have no idea what her problem is or if it is sour grapes Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2017 #333

+1 chwaliszewski Nov 2017 #340

Is there a reason why there's no link? lapucelle Nov 2017 #343

Is there a link to Joy calling HRC "an insane racist bent on costing Obama the election"? lapucelle Dec 2017 #346

I still remember when she went after Bernie on her show MurrayDelph Nov 2017 #249

So we're talking about politicians and how they treat their wives.... vi5 Nov 2017 #252

I'm not concerned with whether or not Skidmore Nov 2017 #254

When are folks going to learn ... LakeArenal Nov 2017 #258

Will "YOU PEOPLE" ( US PEOPLE) stop yelling at each other about this... pangaia Nov 2017 #259

Good point, but Jane's response was MaryMagdaline Dec 2017 #359

What does she mean by marcopolo63 Nov 2017 #262

take a moment to read through the top 1/3rd of this thread for video and examples BoneyardDem Nov 2017 #270

Devoid? marcopolo63 Dec 2017 #348

there were several other videos upthread. you must have missed those too BoneyardDem Dec 2017 #367

What are you not getting? marcopolo63 Dec 2017 #372

This is merely the latest salvo of an ongoing war between Berners and Reid Blue_Tires Nov 2017 #263

Carina Driscoll---anyone keeping up on that race? VermontKevin Nov 2017 #282

Come back, Barack! MaryMagdaline Dec 2017 #357

Hillary said less than flattering things about women who accused her husband of affairs ehrnst Nov 2017 #277

hope you are not holding your breath BoneyardDem Nov 2017 #281

If I did ehrnst Nov 2017 #283

Seems like a valid opinion to me Cary Nov 2017 #305

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2017 #317

Good for you Jane Lazy Daisy Nov 2017 #321

Joy is the greatest MaryMagdaline Dec 2017 #354

Joy speaks the truth Skittles Nov 2017 #324

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What truth? How do you know it is "truth"? KPN Dec 2017 #364

Fabulous response. WoonTars Nov 2017 #329

I've been telling y'all that Konst is a piece of shit Blue_Tires Nov 2017 #330

I think Nomiki is great.. ;) disillusioned73 Dec 2017 #358

You *would* think that... Blue_Tires Dec 2017 #361

If your good with the status quo.. disillusioned73 Dec 2017 #362

Why Nomiki rocks.. ;) disillusioned73 Dec 2017 #374

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Joy stated facts. Nothing more. Each point can be backed up. NCTraveler Dec 2017 #349

What facts? KPN Dec 2017 #356

They are very clearly stated in Joys tweet. nt. NCTraveler Dec 2017 #360

Lol. There are no facts in the tweet. KPN Dec 2017 #363

Just saying BoneyardDem Dec 2017 #365

All of it. Show me anything that is a fact. KPN Dec 2017 #366

take a moment and read through this thread...there are several videos BoneyardDem Dec 2017 #368

Thought so -- you can't. KPN Dec 2017 #369

ahhh. the not so clever comback from the person who refuses to do their own work BoneyardDem Dec 2017 #370

Thought you were "done with this convo"? KPN Dec 2017 #371

I agree. ananda Dec 2017 #355