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Egnever

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54. Agree 100%

Tue Dec 5, 2017, 01:59 PM

Dec 2017

I do see it differently for women as they have zero power in the equation. But as a guy hit on and touched many times I never once felt it was sexual assault.

My response was typically thanks but I am not gay and that usually ended it right there. A couple of times they tried to convince me but if you aren't gay you just aren't.

I guess I never felt assaulted because there was never a question I could be forced to do anything. Also people touching me does not usually bother me a bit.

I think it is sad we seem to be reaching a point where any touching is labeled sexual assault.

I certainly respect women's decision not to be touched but I am damn glad I am years married and don't have to navigate the dating rituals today where rubbing someone's back can be seen as sexual assault.

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So my straight employee was sexually harassed last night by 2 gay men in front of his wife [View all] titaniumsalute Dec 2017 OP

Post removed Post removed Dec 2017 #1

........... Angry Dragon Dec 2017 #4

Oh good lord Egnever Dec 2017 #2

It happens. It happened to me decades ago. Archae Dec 2017 #6

You stuck around with him in the shower after your wife left crying? NCTraveler Dec 2017 #10

Where the hell did I say that? Archae Dec 2017 #11

Exactly. NCTraveler Dec 2017 #21

hahaha obamanut2012 Dec 2017 #103

The employee said that he stayed to pay the bill. nt pnwmom Dec 2017 #142

Rude people can be tough. NCTraveler Dec 2017 #147

The employee, according to his story, was harassed by men who had been drinking, pnwmom Dec 2017 #151

I made no such implication or inference. NCTraveler Dec 2017 #193

I just looked at all your posts above this one and have no idea what you're referring to. pnwmom Dec 2017 #196

Good on you. Nt NCTraveler Dec 2017 #201

"Grabbing" people, I.e. molesting them, isn't rude, it's illegal.. whathehell Dec 2017 #257

You must have been scarred for life Egnever Dec 2017 #18

The power dynamic was present in this case, too. pnwmom Dec 2017 #186

and yet he just walked away Egnever Dec 2017 #198

"And yet he just walked away"???? That is all women usually do when they're sexually harassed. pnwmom Dec 2017 #205

This is almost like the person who seemed to suggest... moriah Dec 2017 #251

Hold the fuck on.... moda253 Dec 2017 #190

I agree. It is sexist and undermines the truth that gay people and straight people pnwmom Dec 2017 #207

Thank you.. whathehell Dec 2017 #255

"I always took it as flattering" whathehell Dec 2017 #259

Sometimes Egnever Dec 2017 #263

Uh huh..Sure.. whathehell Dec 2017 #264

Different strokes I guess Egnever Dec 2017 #277

Yeah, right.. whathehell Dec 2017 #283

Good lord Egnever Dec 2017 #287

If you say so whathehell Dec 2017 #289

Cool story bro. Codeine Dec 2017 #3

This is hilarious in so many ways. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2017 #5

No subtle counter-narrative here. LanternWaste Dec 2017 #7

### NurseJackie Dec 2017 #182

No doubt that sexual assault is a mans game. NCTraveler Dec 2017 #8

Yup. "Gay guys do no wrong..." Archae Dec 2017 #12

Considering the nigh-universal condemnation Codeine Dec 2017 #16

I don't get why some think the OP is not believable. Actor Terry Crews just recently recounted... brush Dec 2017 #109

I am appalled at the narrative on display here moda253 Dec 2017 #195

Me, too. I think sometimes people react this way because they don't want to be homophobic. pnwmom Dec 2017 #220

I do hope Terry Crews -- or his wife -- responded whathehell Dec 2017 #256

ROFL - It sure doesn't pass my smell test n/t malaise Dec 2017 #114

A claim I've only seen you make. NCTraveler Dec 2017 #17

Of course they can but the OP's likely apocryphal story isn't an example of it. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #24

Huh? Where did you get that? nt irisblue Dec 2017 #30

Around 15 years ago I used to get hit on by a guy who was our resident engineer from Lucent snooper2 Dec 2017 #14

I don't think it is non-existent. NCTraveler Dec 2017 #20

He was around for 2-3 years, I felt bad for him because outside of earshot people would do gay jokes snooper2 Dec 2017 #25

Much different than my story. NCTraveler Dec 2017 #28

The man in the OP wasn't "respectfully" hit on. pnwmom Dec 2017 #260

Oh the story was made up? Really? titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #95

lulz obamanut2012 Dec 2017 #105

Yes. Made up. NCTraveler Dec 2017 #122

You said titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #126

I think it is an attack on Gay people, and made up too...not by the poster, but by the one who told Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #306

I have my own stories tazkcmo Dec 2017 #137

Every woman's experience is different and so is every man's. pnwmom Dec 2017 #262

Then they should go rut on a tree somewhere, not on a human they've not involved with. n/t pnwmom Dec 2017 #258

Z beaglelover Dec 2017 #9

Post removed Post removed Dec 2017 #13

Gotta agree. nt cwydro Dec 2017 #57

yup obamanut2012 Dec 2017 #107

Why? titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #121

Well I suppose there are all sorts of stuff and some really want to tell a tale BoneyardDem Dec 2017 #15

I was recently sexually assaulted by a gay guy too...ongoing. hexola Dec 2017 #19

How is that sexual assault? Yes, it is unwanted. It is an invasion of your space. Doodley Dec 2017 #27

unwanted touching is sexual assault DrDan Dec 2017 #31

On this we agree. Codeine Dec 2017 #40

I don't get why there are so many doubting responses to the OP. brush Dec 2017 #120

Really what agenda might that be? titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #125

You don't know that. The story is believable to me. pnwmom Dec 2017 #265

Of course it is..Thre seems to be a certain level of PC discomfort here.. whathehell Dec 2017 #276

Touching a hand or an arm is sexual assault? Doodley Dec 2017 #45

unwanted touching is sexual assault DrDan Dec 2017 #49

He grabbed my thigh - ya know - the area between my knee and penis. hexola Dec 2017 #76

I find it unacceptable, but that wasn't the point I was making. Doodley Dec 2017 #209

Why not tell him to stop doing that? Seems simple. Tipperary Dec 2017 #246

Because the offense has already occurred. What seems simple is that people should keep pnwmom Dec 2017 #266

Okay I better not shake hands then. Doodley Dec 2017 #187

unwanted . . . get real DrDan Dec 2017 #216

This message was self-deleted by its author kcr Dec 2017 #300

No it is not... as a survivor of sexual assault...I can tell you it is no such thing. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #307

this organization would disagree with you DrDan Dec 2017 #323

I don't give a damn...this muddies the water...my attacker was a stranger and there was Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #340

and exactly who compared touching a person's thigh to rape DrDan Dec 2017 #342

Lots...read through the replies. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #354

On the thigh it is sexual assault. Don't EVER touch a woman that way, pnwmom Dec 2017 #130

I told a waitress in the same establishment about this - she said... hexola Dec 2017 #194

And the other factor is that a woman in this situation pnwmom Dec 2017 #199

I have never touched a woman or a man inappropriately and never will do. Doodley Dec 2017 #211

Are you for real? Seriously? moda253 Dec 2017 #197

Yep, I'm for real - and I find unwanted touching, bigotry or power over others unacceptable. Doodley Dec 2017 #212

Then why are you justifying sexual harassment when engaged in by a group of men on a man? n/t pnwmom Dec 2017 #213

Did you try telling him you aren't gay? Egnever Dec 2017 #35

He knows Im not gay - my girlfriend is one of his patients. hexola Dec 2017 #74

He knows you're not bi or curious? bettyellen Dec 2017 #91

I don't know what he thinks hexola Dec 2017 #192

for the leg touching? Nope. But if it was a brief accidental touch while getting seated .... it's bettyellen Dec 2017 #204

It wasn't a brief accidental touch while getting seated. He said that the man "reached over" pnwmom Dec 2017 #217

None of that is in the OP. He must have needed to add more damning details because the OP was vague bettyellen Dec 2017 #219

This whole thread was in response to Hexola's post #19, not the OP. pnwmom Dec 2017 #221

Well when discussing harassment in the workplace, status matters greatly. Strange it doesn't to the bettyellen Dec 2017 #224

If this same scenario happened to a woman by a group of men, pnwmom Dec 2017 #226

Ask strange that it was 2/4 and I guess the other guys just gawked at them? bettyellen Dec 2017 #228

What does work status have to do with it? It wasn't a work related function. pnwmom Dec 2017 #229

I got confused as the context was "my employee" and work place harassment is more serious/ bettyellen Dec 2017 #232

"Don't you dare" and "chill out." pnwmom Dec 2017 #234

This is obviously way too personal for you, and yore ascribing homophobia to others here... bettyellen Dec 2017 #236

Back at you. n/t pnwmom Dec 2017 #267

What does that have to do with anything? A gay person doesn't have any more right pnwmom Dec 2017 #215

Was there a grope? The touching arms and legs thing sounded odd/ like maybe inadvertent while bettyellen Dec 2017 #218

From post #19 pnwmom Dec 2017 #225

It wasn't "inadvertent" - 100% intentional. hexola Dec 2017 #321

It wasn't appropriate and never has been appropriate except in settings pnwmom Dec 2017 #328

Why the hell does that matter? moda253 Dec 2017 #200

Nope but it's a better idea than "lighting them up" Egnever Dec 2017 #202

I am not afraid of gay people, either. pnwmom Dec 2017 #278

yea cause that's what I said Egnever Dec 2017 #279

It seems like you're making excuses for behavior that you wouldn't excuse pnwmom Dec 2017 #281

Why? Why do you assume that a gay guy would have welcomed a stranger's hand on his thigh? pnwmom Dec 2017 #214

You are trying so hard Egnever Dec 2017 #247

No, actually I think you are the one "trying so hard". whathehell Dec 2017 #272

Some gay men made an entreaty to a straight man and told him to ditch his wife ? DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #22

All the young gay couples I know Codeine Dec 2017 #26

LOL. This thread needs more door buzzards! FSogol Dec 2017 #43

There's a big world out there so it's hard to dismiss any story with 100% uncertainty. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #47

Frankly that is why I posted it titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #140

Three points DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #146

Hey thanks titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #150

I don't disbelieve your story. I hope your employee has more appreciation for how it feels, now. yardwork Dec 2017 #181

It doesn't make any difference if it were gay or straight doing this titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #301

And I'm suspicious of his story. I think he had an agenda in telling you this. yardwork Dec 2017 #303

I've known him for years titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #304

Sorry about that, titaniumsalute. It seems so to me, too. n/t pnwmom Dec 2017 #282

This isn't about love or sexual desire. It was just a power play, mocking the man with the wife. pnwmom Dec 2017 #275

People under the influence of alcohol do stupid and rude things all the time. pnwmom Dec 2017 #231

I've seen the same thing joked about by folks of all genders and orientations- and publicly when bettyellen Dec 2017 #237

He should have taken it as a compliment. I don't see too many reasons to be upset. Doodley Dec 2017 #23

That's the same attitude women have had to put up with since forever. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2017 #34

I took it as a compliment when I was asked if I wanted a blow job. I am just saying that Doodley Dec 2017 #44

Gross. No woman would take that as a compliment. If a stranger said the equivalent to a woman pnwmom Dec 2017 #148

Exactly... Baconator Dec 2017 #156

Um, Dudley? whathehell Dec 2017 #268

No. Not even close. Codeine Dec 2017 #38

IMO, this is an instance of choosing to be a victim. I agree with what you say, but Doodley Dec 2017 #41

Agree 100% Egnever Dec 2017 #54

So, just a hypothetical. Crunchy Frog Dec 2017 #367

Would you say that if the story was about four men surrounding a woman and touching pnwmom Dec 2017 #284

Glad you are the most Omniscient One titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #124

"Gay Predator" narrative dog whistle obamanut2012 Dec 2017 #131

Wow quick to judge? titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #139

Same old same old... Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #309

I've been hit on by guys many times titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #111

Bullshit. If it happened, it would have been just as nasty as when men do it to women. pnwmom Dec 2017 #127

As every woman and most men know, "S/he should have taken it as a compliment" is not a new argument. Iggo Dec 2017 #191

Completely clueless and in need of remedial compliance training. nt procon Dec 2017 #241

hard to believe some of these posts . . . I guess it's not unlike what a woman experiences DrDan Dec 2017 #29

Oh good lord; the story is absurd on its face. Codeine Dec 2017 #32

Ahh thanks for calling me out as a liar. Sounds like something a Roy Moore supporter would say titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #113

The poster called your Straight Employee a liar, not you obamanut2012 Dec 2017 #133

Ahh yes. You have me figured out. titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #149

You weren't being called a "gay predator", the story's narrative was about gay predators. Fla Dem Dec 2017 #245

The story was about men drinking alcohol, traveling in a pack, and acting like jerks. pnwmom Dec 2017 #274

Another poster clearly called the OP out for making up the story. pnwmom Dec 2017 #273

Really? Please explain. whathehell Dec 2017 #261

OK DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #50

ok DrDan Dec 2017 #53

I don't believe everything I read on the internet. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #58

You shouldn't believe everything you read on the internet titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #135

What wife walks away when someone hits on her husband... irisblue Dec 2017 #59

If he wanted to say glbtq people can sexually harass people too he should have just said so. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #61

"I'm getting out of here. You go pay the bill." That's what happened. nt pnwmom Dec 2017 #286

Pretty sure an evangelical molesting teen girls would never get elected to the Senate either titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #169

Stuff like that happens to women all the time. So why not to a man? pnwmom Dec 2017 #285

Nice try. Nt NCTraveler Dec 2017 #83

sorry - didn't realize you were there. Thanks for keeping us all honest. DrDan Dec 2017 #155

Yeah, it's kind of nasty. n/t pnwmom Dec 2017 #271

Ummm. Nice guys DO NOT TELL YOU TO DITCH YOUR SPOUSE for quickies irisblue Dec 2017 #33

correct nt steve2470 Dec 2017 #85

Who said they were nice? They were obnoxious people in a bar, ganging up on someone pnwmom Dec 2017 #291

The OP used that phrase irisblue Dec 2017 #296

He thought they were nice before the "light switch" went off and they changed. pnwmom Dec 2017 #297

I have already established the conditions where I would believe in the inerrancy of this account DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #338

#fakenews. stonecutter357 Dec 2017 #36

Wow spoken like a Breitbart reader titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #116

Cool Story, Bro . stonecutter357 Dec 2017 #252

"And then they beat me up for not Codeine Dec 2017 #37

watched a guy yesterday screaming at his 3 dogs in the middle of a dog park as they populistdriven Dec 2017 #75

Had a. Coworker on to me. Really didn't understand his constant smiles and winks. Final!y bagelsforbreakfast Dec 2017 #39

The OP's story went well beyond the account of a fleeting pass. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #42

May e I missed why he didn't just tell them off for being so rude to his wife? bagelsforbreakfast Dec 2017 #46

Not everyone is naturally assertive. Four guys were coming on to him despite pnwmom Dec 2017 #270

Nah titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #308

Hit and run post. Codeine Dec 2017 #48

I took shot at it DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #51

Hit and run? titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #168

I agree harassment can take many forms Skittles Dec 2017 #52

Thanks Skittles titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #118

I must be missing something. Would he not say, stop that now the minute the behavior began? Tipperary Dec 2017 #55

no shit Skittles Dec 2017 #90

They all talked for about 10 to 15 minutes...nothing out of the ordinary titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #110

I don't think that he's telling you the whole story. yardwork Dec 2017 #302

Shyer people often don't know how to react because they might not understand what's happening pnwmom Dec 2017 #280

Out of curiosity, is "straight employee" his job title, or is that more of an honorary thing? Orrex Dec 2017 #56

I LOLed Egnever Dec 2017 #60

Maybe he gets a special parking spot. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #62

Ha! Great minds think alike. nt Codeine Dec 2017 #64

The chance of this story being true is not zero. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #65

He's been voted Straightest Employee of the Year Codeine Dec 2017 #63

I also want to hear more about the light switch that was touching his leg Orrex Dec 2017 #81

That would be shocking. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #346

IMO it's best to avoid that kind of on-and-off relationship Orrex Dec 2017 #349

I have been trying for the last ten minutes to formulate a response. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #352

I hope that you'll be able to find an outlet. Orrex Dec 2017 #353

STOP IT CODEINE Skittles Dec 2017 #188

You're thinking the same thing I've been thinking... yardwork Dec 2017 #370

Was this in Akron, OH? Duncan Grant Dec 2017 #66

Well just because people say Roy Moore's accusers didn't do it make it true? titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #106

Not the same. Nice try. Duncan Grant Dec 2017 #172

Yes it is an anecdote that I shared to which I have no reason to not believe titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #175

Thanks for turning DU into the National Inquirer. Duncan Grant Dec 2017 #177

Then why are you here if you are so unhappy? titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #178

I cant resist gay predator threads. (What next? Lesbian cannibals?) Duncan Grant Dec 2017 #185

Bringing a story told to me by someone I trust is anecdotal yes titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #347

Circling the drain at 8,700 views and counting. Duncan Grant Dec 2017 #363

And no it wasn't in Akron. But flattered you are looking at my profile. titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #163

Im familiar with NE Ohio. Duncan Grant Dec 2017 #174

Wow, good sleuthing! It would not have occurred to me to check that out! Tipperary Dec 2017 #248

Get this! Duncan Grant Dec 2017 #253

You seemed to have uncovered an important part of this story. Tipperary Dec 2017 #295

Wait. A gay mob menaced somebody at an Andrea Bocelli concert? yardwork Dec 2017 #310

It was more of a pack than a mob, like in wolves. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #348

Whats the recipe for a great thread? Duncan Grant Dec 2017 #365

Oh you sly devil you titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #330

I edited the OP to say Friday night titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #331

You should not be snarky with Duncan Grant. yardwork Dec 2017 #326

Thanks for your concern and knowledge of Northeast Ohio titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #332

You wrote that your employee was "distraught." yardwork Dec 2017 #371

And maybe your intolerance of any story that doesn't fit your narrative titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #382

You forgot the part where these men had him shackled to a banister so he.... Tikki Dec 2017 #67

They decided not to shackle him to the banister Orrex Dec 2017 #68

Awesome... Tikki Dec 2017 #69

He did titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #108

Read your story...did the harassing happen after he left the bar? Tikki Dec 2017 #134

No just in the bar. titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #143

I am not blaming this man..but a loud voice, especially in a crowded bar Tikki Dec 2017 #159

I'm not sure how I would have responded titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #162

If you are the owner, manager, boss...maybe it's time to have a seminar for.... Tikki Dec 2017 #170

We did one about 3 years ago titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #171

Not everyone is comfortable bringing more attention to themselves with loud voices or complaints. pnwmom Dec 2017 #233

I think getting your community involved is an important way to stop harassers. Tikki Dec 2017 #240

That's true in theory, but not all people are equally capable of that response. 70% of the US pnwmom Dec 2017 #244

Even so, is the legs were "touched" he could have taken a step back. It's a public place for fucks bettyellen Dec 2017 #336

How do you know he didn't take a step back? Haven't you ever had someone move closer pnwmom Dec 2017 #355

Nope- he says two were pestering him. Two just watched without anything remarkable happening... bettyellen Dec 2017 #364

The employee probably never dreamed his story would be shared to the world on DU pnwmom Dec 2017 #366

It struck me immediately how off the story was. I do doubt it happened for quite a few reasons. I bettyellen Dec 2017 #368

I don't think he was "assaulted a second time." I think that they were harassing him -- there's pnwmom Dec 2017 #369

You just imagined a scenario where a standing man assaulted a man on the leg, the man backs up, and bettyellen Dec 2017 #372

No I didn't. I never used the word "assault." And I didn't say anything about when pnwmom Dec 2017 #373

Elsewhere in the thread you said unwanted touching is assault- I get that you didn't realize it was bettyellen Dec 2017 #375

Nope. I didn't. That wasn't me. I never used the word assault, and I wouldn't, not in this case. pnwmom Dec 2017 #376

Well I do think repeated touching below the belt is assault but.... bettyellen Dec 2017 #381

Sorry, but I do not believe this for a second. MineralMan Dec 2017 #70

MM, some folks are creating a straw man, that glbtq people can't be sexual abusers/harassers. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #92

Exactly what I'm saying. MineralMan Dec 2017 #94

It doesn't have the right of truth. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #100

As a woman, it has the ring of truth to me. The idea of four men in a pack, under the influence pnwmom Dec 2017 #288

no, it doesn't have the ring of truth obamanut2012 Dec 2017 #319

Can you imagine men doing this to a woman, just because they could? pnwmom Dec 2017 #327

Yes thanks for the feedback titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #104

you doubt the omniscience found here? DrDan Dec 2017 #128

Your employee obviously lied to you obamanut2012 Dec 2017 #136

Why is it obvious? titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #141

He knows the employee better than you do. n/t pnwmom Dec 2017 #290

I think it could be real. Gay people in bars are capable of the same jerkishness as straight people. pnwmom Dec 2017 #145

Hypocrisy in this thread stinks to high heaven... Baconator Dec 2017 #71

couldn't agree more DrDan Dec 2017 #72

Nobody Is saying glbtq people can't harass people, see Kevin Spacey and a career in tatters. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #77

So what? Baconator Dec 2017 #78

Again. Nobody is saying GLBTQ people can't sexually harass or abuse people. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #80

Women are less likely to be the harassers than men, but the scenario you suggest pnwmom Dec 2017 #299

or maybe it just plain sounds like bullshit Skittles Dec 2017 #89

yes steve2470 Dec 2017 #93

You forgot the "why"... Baconator Dec 2017 #97

Why, it just sounds like plain bullshit. nt LexVegas Dec 2017 #337

So are all people who claim sexual harassment bullshit? titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #345

LOL Skittles Dec 2017 #356

A response of no response titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #359

yes, please take your head out ASAP Skittles Dec 2017 #360

I'll use your brilliant response of no response titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #361

GOOD Skittles Dec 2017 #362

Too many of us are old enough to know dog whistles obamanut2012 Dec 2017 #112

That's a load of bullcrap... Baconator Dec 2017 #132

"the narrative hurts a cause I support" LexVegas Dec 2017 #314

Yeah ya got me. titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #312

You're half right. Iggo Dec 2017 #117

Anyone can do it - straight, gay, trans Alea Dec 2017 #73

"People in this thread acting like gay people are immune to sexual harassment claims are full of it. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #79

I get that, but some posters are saying if it's true it's no big deal n/t Alea Dec 2017 #82

If it occurred it's a big deal. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #88

Agreed, and thanks Alea Dec 2017 #98

In your experience men don't act that way. Based on my experience they certainly could. n/t pnwmom Dec 2017 #293

It has nothing to do gender or orientation. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #335

Why is it so hard for you to think a group of drinking guys could have been trolling pnwmom Dec 2017 #357

Because the story, to me, lacks the ring of truth. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #358

Who please? irisblue Dec 2017 #173

I don't know why I took the time to go back through the thread , but here's a few Alea Dec 2017 #189

But there's no reason to say that story couldn't be true except for preconceptions pnwmom Dec 2017 #292

no one is saying gay folk cannot be harassers Skittles Dec 2017 #99

sorry I've been married and in large cities with my (now ex) wife steve2470 Dec 2017 #84

Thank you. Behind the Aegis Dec 2017 #96

I said upthread this sounds like BAD fictional movie BS steve2470 Dec 2017 #101

What does your experience have to do with it? Has a gay man ever sexually harassed you at work? pnwmom Dec 2017 #154

I'm sorry, we have to agree to disagree steve2470 Dec 2017 #165

I told a story here once about something that had happened to my son, pnwmom Dec 2017 #183

There is a persistent straw man that permeates this discussion. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #350

I've been married for 15 years titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #161

Well yeah DangerousUrNot Dec 2017 #86

this has only happened to me twice and both times the gay guy was slurring wasted Sen. Walter Sobchak Dec 2017 #87

lulz obamanut2012 Dec 2017 #102

Oh, jeezus. Iggo Dec 2017 #115

Second hand account..... LeftInTX Dec 2017 #119

I have never understood why people think it is OK to touch someone else apart from a handshake. LonePirate Dec 2017 #123

Assholes come in all shapes and sizes RandySF Dec 2017 #129

Exactly. Gay people are capable of the same range of behavior, good and bad, as straight people. pnwmom Dec 2017 #138

If they were guests at what appears to be a luxury suite, why would he have a bar tab to pay? spooky3 Dec 2017 #144

Apparently a thigh grab and saucy comment were added to the story later? Missing for me was- bettyellen Dec 2017 #222

My reading was that the 50+ year old was approached by people he did NOT work with. spooky3 Dec 2017 #227

Oooh, so it just sounded similar to workplace harassment but was a stranger who touched him. bettyellen Dec 2017 #230

There are the common areas outside of the suites titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #311

My brother used to get cat called and a few times, followed by aggressive gay men Sugarcoated Dec 2017 #152

Some people in this world are complete asses. Doreen Dec 2017 #153

It wasn't mine...my employee titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #158

Oh, sorry I wrote down the wrong people. Doreen Dec 2017 #164

No cell phone video? displacedtexan Dec 2017 #157

Another Take On This, From Personal Experience ProfessorGAC Dec 2017 #160

I actually kind of thought the same thing titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #166

this is very believable steve2470 Dec 2017 #167

I used to go to Kaboom in the 90's. Lilyhoney Dec 2017 #179

I think that's what they were doing, too. And a group of guys "just messing around" with someone -- pnwmom Dec 2017 #184

I'd Have To Agree ProfessorGAC Dec 2017 #249

Why? No one should have to take this kind of crap, and gay guys shouldn't get a pass pnwmom Dec 2017 #250

Correct...Gay guys should not get a pass.. whathehell Dec 2017 #269

Fair Enough! ProfessorGAC Dec 2017 #298

What concert? oberliner Dec 2017 #176

"Oh, uh, you know... the CONCERT... the one over at, you know, that place with the big stage..." NurseJackie Dec 2017 #203

We work in a very public place titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #313

Women put up with this all the time. It's upsetting, isn't it? yardwork Dec 2017 #180

It's a regular occurrence for women gollygee Dec 2017 #206

The "9-to-5" office environment and "Mr. Hart" reminded me a LOT of where I worked... NurseJackie Dec 2017 #208

Assholes and jerks lillypaddle Dec 2017 #210

Rein/ reign. cwydro Dec 2017 #223

Cool story, bro. nt LexVegas Dec 2017 #235

ok 2left4u Dec 2017 #238

I'm a straight woman who was harassed with catcalls by a lesbian while whathehell Dec 2017 #239

Is this a Reddit thread? LexVegas Dec 2017 #242

ok let me run this past you, as a thought experiment steve2470 Dec 2017 #243

I think you've nailed it. They were trolling him, mocking him, having fun pnwmom Dec 2017 #294

There's another possibility as well, and that's that the employee is not telling the whole story. yardwork Dec 2017 #305

There is the strong possibility that its a load of bullshit from start to finish. LexVegas Dec 2017 #316

I agree. I'm not sure which person is making it up. yardwork Dec 2017 #318

I have my suspicions. nt LexVegas Dec 2017 #320

yup, do not believe this obamanut2012 Dec 2017 #322

I agree that they may have been 100% messing with them as a joke titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #315

At an Andrea Bocelli concert? No way. Not believable. yardwork Dec 2017 #324

Anytime alcohol is involved, no matter what kind of concert, pnwmom Dec 2017 #329

Isn't it sad when i can't tell if this is a troll post or a legit one? applegrove Dec 2017 #254

The story is pretty unbelievable which is why I posted it N/T titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #317

That doesn't make sense. yardwork Dec 2017 #325

His wife was in more danger of being assaulted outside... NCTraveler Dec 2017 #333

... LexVegas Dec 2017 #334

Anybody can act badly regardless of his or her race, gender, religion, or orientation, et cetera. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #344

Anybody can act badly. NCTraveler Dec 2017 #351

It isn't homophobic to say that straight people and gay people pnwmom Dec 2017 #377

I didnt say it was. NCTraveler Dec 2017 #378

What did you mean by "there is blatant homophobia in this?" In what? pnwmom Dec 2017 #380

I don't see why people are doubting this story. DanTex Dec 2017 #339

What the hell are these comments? liberalmuse Dec 2017 #341

Could... DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #343

No offense but I dont believe your employee. Nt LostOne4Ever Dec 2017 #374

This all sounds like a rejected Seinfeld episode starring George Costanza! Nm bagelsforbreakfast Dec 2017 #379