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Duncan Grant

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253. Get this!

Tue Dec 5, 2017, 10:11 PM

Dec 2017

I have to admit these “gay men are predators” threads always get more of my attention than they deserve. Pavlov’s dog, that’s me. Especially when it’s gossipy dreck like this. That said, let’s simply evaluate more of what we now know.

The OP states this large arena event occurred last night, December 4th.

In post #174, I asked if this may have happened on Sunday, December 3rd. A large arena event in NE Ohio isn’t hard to track down. However, there’s been no public reply to post #174 from titaniumsalute as I write this - BUT -

I did receive a private message from titaniumsalute more than five hours ago. He or she stated again this harassment happened last night at the Andrea Bocelli concert at Quicken Loans Arena.

The problem is Bocelli didn’t play Cleveland last night. This is according to his own concert archive website which you can view here: click

Bocelli played Quicken on Friday, December 1st.

In my reply to titaniumsalute’s message, I asked that he or she acknowledge the error. Seems like the right thing to do, doesn’t it? Unless, of course...

Con Te Partiro, confirmation bias. But what a successful thread! It was DU catharsis! (No gay people were hurt in the making of this thread).

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So my straight employee was sexually harassed last night by 2 gay men in front of his wife [View all] titaniumsalute Dec 2017 OP

Post removed Post removed Dec 2017 #1

........... Angry Dragon Dec 2017 #4

Oh good lord Egnever Dec 2017 #2

It happens. It happened to me decades ago. Archae Dec 2017 #6

You stuck around with him in the shower after your wife left crying? NCTraveler Dec 2017 #10

Where the hell did I say that? Archae Dec 2017 #11

Exactly. NCTraveler Dec 2017 #21

hahaha obamanut2012 Dec 2017 #103

The employee said that he stayed to pay the bill. nt pnwmom Dec 2017 #142

Rude people can be tough. NCTraveler Dec 2017 #147

The employee, according to his story, was harassed by men who had been drinking, pnwmom Dec 2017 #151

I made no such implication or inference. NCTraveler Dec 2017 #193

I just looked at all your posts above this one and have no idea what you're referring to. pnwmom Dec 2017 #196

Good on you. Nt NCTraveler Dec 2017 #201

"Grabbing" people, I.e. molesting them, isn't rude, it's illegal.. whathehell Dec 2017 #257

You must have been scarred for life Egnever Dec 2017 #18

The power dynamic was present in this case, too. pnwmom Dec 2017 #186

and yet he just walked away Egnever Dec 2017 #198

"And yet he just walked away"???? That is all women usually do when they're sexually harassed. pnwmom Dec 2017 #205

This is almost like the person who seemed to suggest... moriah Dec 2017 #251

Hold the fuck on.... moda253 Dec 2017 #190

I agree. It is sexist and undermines the truth that gay people and straight people pnwmom Dec 2017 #207

Thank you.. whathehell Dec 2017 #255

"I always took it as flattering" whathehell Dec 2017 #259

Sometimes Egnever Dec 2017 #263

Uh huh..Sure.. whathehell Dec 2017 #264

Different strokes I guess Egnever Dec 2017 #277

Yeah, right.. whathehell Dec 2017 #283

Good lord Egnever Dec 2017 #287

If you say so whathehell Dec 2017 #289

Cool story bro. Codeine Dec 2017 #3

This is hilarious in so many ways. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2017 #5

No subtle counter-narrative here. LanternWaste Dec 2017 #7

### NurseJackie Dec 2017 #182

No doubt that sexual assault is a mans game. NCTraveler Dec 2017 #8

Yup. "Gay guys do no wrong..." Archae Dec 2017 #12

Considering the nigh-universal condemnation Codeine Dec 2017 #16

I don't get why some think the OP is not believable. Actor Terry Crews just recently recounted... brush Dec 2017 #109

I am appalled at the narrative on display here moda253 Dec 2017 #195

Me, too. I think sometimes people react this way because they don't want to be homophobic. pnwmom Dec 2017 #220

I do hope Terry Crews -- or his wife -- responded whathehell Dec 2017 #256

ROFL - It sure doesn't pass my smell test n/t malaise Dec 2017 #114

A claim I've only seen you make. NCTraveler Dec 2017 #17

Of course they can but the OP's likely apocryphal story isn't an example of it. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #24

Huh? Where did you get that? nt irisblue Dec 2017 #30

Around 15 years ago I used to get hit on by a guy who was our resident engineer from Lucent snooper2 Dec 2017 #14

I don't think it is non-existent. NCTraveler Dec 2017 #20

He was around for 2-3 years, I felt bad for him because outside of earshot people would do gay jokes snooper2 Dec 2017 #25

Much different than my story. NCTraveler Dec 2017 #28

The man in the OP wasn't "respectfully" hit on. pnwmom Dec 2017 #260

Oh the story was made up? Really? titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #95

lulz obamanut2012 Dec 2017 #105

Yes. Made up. NCTraveler Dec 2017 #122

You said titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #126

I think it is an attack on Gay people, and made up too...not by the poster, but by the one who told Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #306

I have my own stories tazkcmo Dec 2017 #137

Every woman's experience is different and so is every man's. pnwmom Dec 2017 #262

Then they should go rut on a tree somewhere, not on a human they've not involved with. n/t pnwmom Dec 2017 #258

Z beaglelover Dec 2017 #9

Post removed Post removed Dec 2017 #13

Gotta agree. nt cwydro Dec 2017 #57

yup obamanut2012 Dec 2017 #107

Why? titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #121

Well I suppose there are all sorts of stuff and some really want to tell a tale BoneyardDem Dec 2017 #15

I was recently sexually assaulted by a gay guy too...ongoing. hexola Dec 2017 #19

How is that sexual assault? Yes, it is unwanted. It is an invasion of your space. Doodley Dec 2017 #27

unwanted touching is sexual assault DrDan Dec 2017 #31

On this we agree. Codeine Dec 2017 #40

I don't get why there are so many doubting responses to the OP. brush Dec 2017 #120

Really what agenda might that be? titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #125

You don't know that. The story is believable to me. pnwmom Dec 2017 #265

Of course it is..Thre seems to be a certain level of PC discomfort here.. whathehell Dec 2017 #276

Touching a hand or an arm is sexual assault? Doodley Dec 2017 #45

unwanted touching is sexual assault DrDan Dec 2017 #49

He grabbed my thigh - ya know - the area between my knee and penis. hexola Dec 2017 #76

I find it unacceptable, but that wasn't the point I was making. Doodley Dec 2017 #209

Why not tell him to stop doing that? Seems simple. Tipperary Dec 2017 #246

Because the offense has already occurred. What seems simple is that people should keep pnwmom Dec 2017 #266

Okay I better not shake hands then. Doodley Dec 2017 #187

unwanted . . . get real DrDan Dec 2017 #216

This message was self-deleted by its author kcr Dec 2017 #300

No it is not... as a survivor of sexual assault...I can tell you it is no such thing. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #307

this organization would disagree with you DrDan Dec 2017 #323

I don't give a damn...this muddies the water...my attacker was a stranger and there was Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #340

and exactly who compared touching a person's thigh to rape DrDan Dec 2017 #342

Lots...read through the replies. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #354

On the thigh it is sexual assault. Don't EVER touch a woman that way, pnwmom Dec 2017 #130

I told a waitress in the same establishment about this - she said... hexola Dec 2017 #194

And the other factor is that a woman in this situation pnwmom Dec 2017 #199

I have never touched a woman or a man inappropriately and never will do. Doodley Dec 2017 #211

Are you for real? Seriously? moda253 Dec 2017 #197

Yep, I'm for real - and I find unwanted touching, bigotry or power over others unacceptable. Doodley Dec 2017 #212

Then why are you justifying sexual harassment when engaged in by a group of men on a man? n/t pnwmom Dec 2017 #213

Did you try telling him you aren't gay? Egnever Dec 2017 #35

He knows Im not gay - my girlfriend is one of his patients. hexola Dec 2017 #74

He knows you're not bi or curious? bettyellen Dec 2017 #91

I don't know what he thinks hexola Dec 2017 #192

for the leg touching? Nope. But if it was a brief accidental touch while getting seated .... it's bettyellen Dec 2017 #204

It wasn't a brief accidental touch while getting seated. He said that the man "reached over" pnwmom Dec 2017 #217

None of that is in the OP. He must have needed to add more damning details because the OP was vague bettyellen Dec 2017 #219

This whole thread was in response to Hexola's post #19, not the OP. pnwmom Dec 2017 #221

Well when discussing harassment in the workplace, status matters greatly. Strange it doesn't to the bettyellen Dec 2017 #224

If this same scenario happened to a woman by a group of men, pnwmom Dec 2017 #226

Ask strange that it was 2/4 and I guess the other guys just gawked at them? bettyellen Dec 2017 #228

What does work status have to do with it? It wasn't a work related function. pnwmom Dec 2017 #229

I got confused as the context was "my employee" and work place harassment is more serious/ bettyellen Dec 2017 #232

"Don't you dare" and "chill out." pnwmom Dec 2017 #234

This is obviously way too personal for you, and yore ascribing homophobia to others here... bettyellen Dec 2017 #236

Back at you. n/t pnwmom Dec 2017 #267

What does that have to do with anything? A gay person doesn't have any more right pnwmom Dec 2017 #215

Was there a grope? The touching arms and legs thing sounded odd/ like maybe inadvertent while bettyellen Dec 2017 #218

From post #19 pnwmom Dec 2017 #225

It wasn't "inadvertent" - 100% intentional. hexola Dec 2017 #321

It wasn't appropriate and never has been appropriate except in settings pnwmom Dec 2017 #328

Why the hell does that matter? moda253 Dec 2017 #200

Nope but it's a better idea than "lighting them up" Egnever Dec 2017 #202

I am not afraid of gay people, either. pnwmom Dec 2017 #278

yea cause that's what I said Egnever Dec 2017 #279

It seems like you're making excuses for behavior that you wouldn't excuse pnwmom Dec 2017 #281

Why? Why do you assume that a gay guy would have welcomed a stranger's hand on his thigh? pnwmom Dec 2017 #214

You are trying so hard Egnever Dec 2017 #247

No, actually I think you are the one "trying so hard". whathehell Dec 2017 #272

Some gay men made an entreaty to a straight man and told him to ditch his wife ? DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #22

All the young gay couples I know Codeine Dec 2017 #26

LOL. This thread needs more door buzzards! FSogol Dec 2017 #43

There's a big world out there so it's hard to dismiss any story with 100% uncertainty. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #47

Frankly that is why I posted it titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #140

Three points DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #146

Hey thanks titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #150

I don't disbelieve your story. I hope your employee has more appreciation for how it feels, now. yardwork Dec 2017 #181

It doesn't make any difference if it were gay or straight doing this titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #301

And I'm suspicious of his story. I think he had an agenda in telling you this. yardwork Dec 2017 #303

I've known him for years titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #304

Sorry about that, titaniumsalute. It seems so to me, too. n/t pnwmom Dec 2017 #282

This isn't about love or sexual desire. It was just a power play, mocking the man with the wife. pnwmom Dec 2017 #275

People under the influence of alcohol do stupid and rude things all the time. pnwmom Dec 2017 #231

I've seen the same thing joked about by folks of all genders and orientations- and publicly when bettyellen Dec 2017 #237

He should have taken it as a compliment. I don't see too many reasons to be upset. Doodley Dec 2017 #23

That's the same attitude women have had to put up with since forever. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2017 #34

I took it as a compliment when I was asked if I wanted a blow job. I am just saying that Doodley Dec 2017 #44

Gross. No woman would take that as a compliment. If a stranger said the equivalent to a woman pnwmom Dec 2017 #148

Exactly... Baconator Dec 2017 #156

Um, Dudley? whathehell Dec 2017 #268

No. Not even close. Codeine Dec 2017 #38

IMO, this is an instance of choosing to be a victim. I agree with what you say, but Doodley Dec 2017 #41

Agree 100% Egnever Dec 2017 #54

So, just a hypothetical. Crunchy Frog Dec 2017 #367

Would you say that if the story was about four men surrounding a woman and touching pnwmom Dec 2017 #284

Glad you are the most Omniscient One titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #124

"Gay Predator" narrative dog whistle obamanut2012 Dec 2017 #131

Wow quick to judge? titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #139

Same old same old... Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #309

I've been hit on by guys many times titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #111

Bullshit. If it happened, it would have been just as nasty as when men do it to women. pnwmom Dec 2017 #127

As every woman and most men know, "S/he should have taken it as a compliment" is not a new argument. Iggo Dec 2017 #191

Completely clueless and in need of remedial compliance training. nt procon Dec 2017 #241

hard to believe some of these posts . . . I guess it's not unlike what a woman experiences DrDan Dec 2017 #29

Oh good lord; the story is absurd on its face. Codeine Dec 2017 #32

Ahh thanks for calling me out as a liar. Sounds like something a Roy Moore supporter would say titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #113

The poster called your Straight Employee a liar, not you obamanut2012 Dec 2017 #133

Ahh yes. You have me figured out. titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #149

You weren't being called a "gay predator", the story's narrative was about gay predators. Fla Dem Dec 2017 #245

The story was about men drinking alcohol, traveling in a pack, and acting like jerks. pnwmom Dec 2017 #274

Another poster clearly called the OP out for making up the story. pnwmom Dec 2017 #273

Really? Please explain. whathehell Dec 2017 #261

OK DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #50

ok DrDan Dec 2017 #53

I don't believe everything I read on the internet. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #58

You shouldn't believe everything you read on the internet titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #135

What wife walks away when someone hits on her husband... irisblue Dec 2017 #59

If he wanted to say glbtq people can sexually harass people too he should have just said so. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #61

"I'm getting out of here. You go pay the bill." That's what happened. nt pnwmom Dec 2017 #286

Pretty sure an evangelical molesting teen girls would never get elected to the Senate either titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #169

Stuff like that happens to women all the time. So why not to a man? pnwmom Dec 2017 #285

Nice try. Nt NCTraveler Dec 2017 #83

sorry - didn't realize you were there. Thanks for keeping us all honest. DrDan Dec 2017 #155

Yeah, it's kind of nasty. n/t pnwmom Dec 2017 #271

Ummm. Nice guys DO NOT TELL YOU TO DITCH YOUR SPOUSE for quickies irisblue Dec 2017 #33

correct nt steve2470 Dec 2017 #85

Who said they were nice? They were obnoxious people in a bar, ganging up on someone pnwmom Dec 2017 #291

The OP used that phrase irisblue Dec 2017 #296

He thought they were nice before the "light switch" went off and they changed. pnwmom Dec 2017 #297

I have already established the conditions where I would believe in the inerrancy of this account DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #338

#fakenews. stonecutter357 Dec 2017 #36

Wow spoken like a Breitbart reader titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #116

Cool Story, Bro . stonecutter357 Dec 2017 #252

"And then they beat me up for not Codeine Dec 2017 #37

watched a guy yesterday screaming at his 3 dogs in the middle of a dog park as they populistdriven Dec 2017 #75

Had a. Coworker on to me. Really didn't understand his constant smiles and winks. Final!y bagelsforbreakfast Dec 2017 #39

The OP's story went well beyond the account of a fleeting pass. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #42

May e I missed why he didn't just tell them off for being so rude to his wife? bagelsforbreakfast Dec 2017 #46

Not everyone is naturally assertive. Four guys were coming on to him despite pnwmom Dec 2017 #270

Nah titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #308

Hit and run post. Codeine Dec 2017 #48

I took shot at it DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #51

Hit and run? titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #168

I agree harassment can take many forms Skittles Dec 2017 #52

Thanks Skittles titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #118

I must be missing something. Would he not say, stop that now the minute the behavior began? Tipperary Dec 2017 #55

no shit Skittles Dec 2017 #90

They all talked for about 10 to 15 minutes...nothing out of the ordinary titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #110

I don't think that he's telling you the whole story. yardwork Dec 2017 #302

Shyer people often don't know how to react because they might not understand what's happening pnwmom Dec 2017 #280

Out of curiosity, is "straight employee" his job title, or is that more of an honorary thing? Orrex Dec 2017 #56

I LOLed Egnever Dec 2017 #60

Maybe he gets a special parking spot. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #62

Ha! Great minds think alike. nt Codeine Dec 2017 #64

The chance of this story being true is not zero. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #65

He's been voted Straightest Employee of the Year Codeine Dec 2017 #63

I also want to hear more about the light switch that was touching his leg Orrex Dec 2017 #81

That would be shocking. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #346

IMO it's best to avoid that kind of on-and-off relationship Orrex Dec 2017 #349

I have been trying for the last ten minutes to formulate a response. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #352

I hope that you'll be able to find an outlet. Orrex Dec 2017 #353

STOP IT CODEINE Skittles Dec 2017 #188

You're thinking the same thing I've been thinking... yardwork Dec 2017 #370

Was this in Akron, OH? Duncan Grant Dec 2017 #66

Well just because people say Roy Moore's accusers didn't do it make it true? titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #106

Not the same. Nice try. Duncan Grant Dec 2017 #172

Yes it is an anecdote that I shared to which I have no reason to not believe titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #175

Thanks for turning DU into the National Inquirer. Duncan Grant Dec 2017 #177

Then why are you here if you are so unhappy? titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #178

I cant resist gay predator threads. (What next? Lesbian cannibals?) Duncan Grant Dec 2017 #185

Bringing a story told to me by someone I trust is anecdotal yes titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #347

Circling the drain at 8,700 views and counting. Duncan Grant Dec 2017 #363

And no it wasn't in Akron. But flattered you are looking at my profile. titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #163

Im familiar with NE Ohio. Duncan Grant Dec 2017 #174

Wow, good sleuthing! It would not have occurred to me to check that out! Tipperary Dec 2017 #248

Get this! Duncan Grant Dec 2017 #253

You seemed to have uncovered an important part of this story. Tipperary Dec 2017 #295

Wait. A gay mob menaced somebody at an Andrea Bocelli concert? yardwork Dec 2017 #310

It was more of a pack than a mob, like in wolves. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #348

Whats the recipe for a great thread? Duncan Grant Dec 2017 #365

Oh you sly devil you titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #330

I edited the OP to say Friday night titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #331

You should not be snarky with Duncan Grant. yardwork Dec 2017 #326

Thanks for your concern and knowledge of Northeast Ohio titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #332

You wrote that your employee was "distraught." yardwork Dec 2017 #371

And maybe your intolerance of any story that doesn't fit your narrative titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #382

You forgot the part where these men had him shackled to a banister so he.... Tikki Dec 2017 #67

They decided not to shackle him to the banister Orrex Dec 2017 #68

Awesome... Tikki Dec 2017 #69

He did titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #108

Read your story...did the harassing happen after he left the bar? Tikki Dec 2017 #134

No just in the bar. titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #143

I am not blaming this man..but a loud voice, especially in a crowded bar Tikki Dec 2017 #159

I'm not sure how I would have responded titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #162

If you are the owner, manager, boss...maybe it's time to have a seminar for.... Tikki Dec 2017 #170

We did one about 3 years ago titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #171

Not everyone is comfortable bringing more attention to themselves with loud voices or complaints. pnwmom Dec 2017 #233

I think getting your community involved is an important way to stop harassers. Tikki Dec 2017 #240

That's true in theory, but not all people are equally capable of that response. 70% of the US pnwmom Dec 2017 #244

Even so, is the legs were "touched" he could have taken a step back. It's a public place for fucks bettyellen Dec 2017 #336

How do you know he didn't take a step back? Haven't you ever had someone move closer pnwmom Dec 2017 #355

Nope- he says two were pestering him. Two just watched without anything remarkable happening... bettyellen Dec 2017 #364

The employee probably never dreamed his story would be shared to the world on DU pnwmom Dec 2017 #366

It struck me immediately how off the story was. I do doubt it happened for quite a few reasons. I bettyellen Dec 2017 #368

I don't think he was "assaulted a second time." I think that they were harassing him -- there's pnwmom Dec 2017 #369

You just imagined a scenario where a standing man assaulted a man on the leg, the man backs up, and bettyellen Dec 2017 #372

No I didn't. I never used the word "assault." And I didn't say anything about when pnwmom Dec 2017 #373

Elsewhere in the thread you said unwanted touching is assault- I get that you didn't realize it was bettyellen Dec 2017 #375

Nope. I didn't. That wasn't me. I never used the word assault, and I wouldn't, not in this case. pnwmom Dec 2017 #376

Well I do think repeated touching below the belt is assault but.... bettyellen Dec 2017 #381

Sorry, but I do not believe this for a second. MineralMan Dec 2017 #70

MM, some folks are creating a straw man, that glbtq people can't be sexual abusers/harassers. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #92

Exactly what I'm saying. MineralMan Dec 2017 #94

It doesn't have the right of truth. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #100

As a woman, it has the ring of truth to me. The idea of four men in a pack, under the influence pnwmom Dec 2017 #288

no, it doesn't have the ring of truth obamanut2012 Dec 2017 #319

Can you imagine men doing this to a woman, just because they could? pnwmom Dec 2017 #327

Yes thanks for the feedback titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #104

you doubt the omniscience found here? DrDan Dec 2017 #128

Your employee obviously lied to you obamanut2012 Dec 2017 #136

Why is it obvious? titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #141

He knows the employee better than you do. n/t pnwmom Dec 2017 #290

I think it could be real. Gay people in bars are capable of the same jerkishness as straight people. pnwmom Dec 2017 #145

Hypocrisy in this thread stinks to high heaven... Baconator Dec 2017 #71

couldn't agree more DrDan Dec 2017 #72

Nobody Is saying glbtq people can't harass people, see Kevin Spacey and a career in tatters. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #77

So what? Baconator Dec 2017 #78

Again. Nobody is saying GLBTQ people can't sexually harass or abuse people. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #80

Women are less likely to be the harassers than men, but the scenario you suggest pnwmom Dec 2017 #299

or maybe it just plain sounds like bullshit Skittles Dec 2017 #89

yes steve2470 Dec 2017 #93

You forgot the "why"... Baconator Dec 2017 #97

Why, it just sounds like plain bullshit. nt LexVegas Dec 2017 #337

So are all people who claim sexual harassment bullshit? titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #345

LOL Skittles Dec 2017 #356

A response of no response titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #359

yes, please take your head out ASAP Skittles Dec 2017 #360

I'll use your brilliant response of no response titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #361

GOOD Skittles Dec 2017 #362

Too many of us are old enough to know dog whistles obamanut2012 Dec 2017 #112

That's a load of bullcrap... Baconator Dec 2017 #132

"the narrative hurts a cause I support" LexVegas Dec 2017 #314

Yeah ya got me. titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #312

You're half right. Iggo Dec 2017 #117

Anyone can do it - straight, gay, trans Alea Dec 2017 #73

"People in this thread acting like gay people are immune to sexual harassment claims are full of it. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #79

I get that, but some posters are saying if it's true it's no big deal n/t Alea Dec 2017 #82

If it occurred it's a big deal. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #88

Agreed, and thanks Alea Dec 2017 #98

In your experience men don't act that way. Based on my experience they certainly could. n/t pnwmom Dec 2017 #293

It has nothing to do gender or orientation. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #335

Why is it so hard for you to think a group of drinking guys could have been trolling pnwmom Dec 2017 #357

Because the story, to me, lacks the ring of truth. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #358

Who please? irisblue Dec 2017 #173

I don't know why I took the time to go back through the thread , but here's a few Alea Dec 2017 #189

But there's no reason to say that story couldn't be true except for preconceptions pnwmom Dec 2017 #292

no one is saying gay folk cannot be harassers Skittles Dec 2017 #99

sorry I've been married and in large cities with my (now ex) wife steve2470 Dec 2017 #84

Thank you. Behind the Aegis Dec 2017 #96

I said upthread this sounds like BAD fictional movie BS steve2470 Dec 2017 #101

What does your experience have to do with it? Has a gay man ever sexually harassed you at work? pnwmom Dec 2017 #154

I'm sorry, we have to agree to disagree steve2470 Dec 2017 #165

I told a story here once about something that had happened to my son, pnwmom Dec 2017 #183

There is a persistent straw man that permeates this discussion. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #350

I've been married for 15 years titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #161

Well yeah DangerousUrNot Dec 2017 #86

this has only happened to me twice and both times the gay guy was slurring wasted Sen. Walter Sobchak Dec 2017 #87

lulz obamanut2012 Dec 2017 #102

Oh, jeezus. Iggo Dec 2017 #115

Second hand account..... LeftInTX Dec 2017 #119

I have never understood why people think it is OK to touch someone else apart from a handshake. LonePirate Dec 2017 #123

Assholes come in all shapes and sizes RandySF Dec 2017 #129

Exactly. Gay people are capable of the same range of behavior, good and bad, as straight people. pnwmom Dec 2017 #138

If they were guests at what appears to be a luxury suite, why would he have a bar tab to pay? spooky3 Dec 2017 #144

Apparently a thigh grab and saucy comment were added to the story later? Missing for me was- bettyellen Dec 2017 #222

My reading was that the 50+ year old was approached by people he did NOT work with. spooky3 Dec 2017 #227

Oooh, so it just sounded similar to workplace harassment but was a stranger who touched him. bettyellen Dec 2017 #230

There are the common areas outside of the suites titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #311

My brother used to get cat called and a few times, followed by aggressive gay men Sugarcoated Dec 2017 #152

Some people in this world are complete asses. Doreen Dec 2017 #153

It wasn't mine...my employee titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #158

Oh, sorry I wrote down the wrong people. Doreen Dec 2017 #164

No cell phone video? displacedtexan Dec 2017 #157

Another Take On This, From Personal Experience ProfessorGAC Dec 2017 #160

I actually kind of thought the same thing titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #166

this is very believable steve2470 Dec 2017 #167

I used to go to Kaboom in the 90's. Lilyhoney Dec 2017 #179

I think that's what they were doing, too. And a group of guys "just messing around" with someone -- pnwmom Dec 2017 #184

I'd Have To Agree ProfessorGAC Dec 2017 #249

Why? No one should have to take this kind of crap, and gay guys shouldn't get a pass pnwmom Dec 2017 #250

Correct...Gay guys should not get a pass.. whathehell Dec 2017 #269

Fair Enough! ProfessorGAC Dec 2017 #298

What concert? oberliner Dec 2017 #176

"Oh, uh, you know... the CONCERT... the one over at, you know, that place with the big stage..." NurseJackie Dec 2017 #203

We work in a very public place titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #313

Women put up with this all the time. It's upsetting, isn't it? yardwork Dec 2017 #180

It's a regular occurrence for women gollygee Dec 2017 #206

The "9-to-5" office environment and "Mr. Hart" reminded me a LOT of where I worked... NurseJackie Dec 2017 #208

Assholes and jerks lillypaddle Dec 2017 #210

Rein/ reign. cwydro Dec 2017 #223

Cool story, bro. nt LexVegas Dec 2017 #235

ok 2left4u Dec 2017 #238

I'm a straight woman who was harassed with catcalls by a lesbian while whathehell Dec 2017 #239

Is this a Reddit thread? LexVegas Dec 2017 #242

ok let me run this past you, as a thought experiment steve2470 Dec 2017 #243

I think you've nailed it. They were trolling him, mocking him, having fun pnwmom Dec 2017 #294

There's another possibility as well, and that's that the employee is not telling the whole story. yardwork Dec 2017 #305

There is the strong possibility that its a load of bullshit from start to finish. LexVegas Dec 2017 #316

I agree. I'm not sure which person is making it up. yardwork Dec 2017 #318

I have my suspicions. nt LexVegas Dec 2017 #320

yup, do not believe this obamanut2012 Dec 2017 #322

I agree that they may have been 100% messing with them as a joke titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #315

At an Andrea Bocelli concert? No way. Not believable. yardwork Dec 2017 #324

Anytime alcohol is involved, no matter what kind of concert, pnwmom Dec 2017 #329

Isn't it sad when i can't tell if this is a troll post or a legit one? applegrove Dec 2017 #254

The story is pretty unbelievable which is why I posted it N/T titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #317

That doesn't make sense. yardwork Dec 2017 #325

His wife was in more danger of being assaulted outside... NCTraveler Dec 2017 #333

... LexVegas Dec 2017 #334

Anybody can act badly regardless of his or her race, gender, religion, or orientation, et cetera. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #344

Anybody can act badly. NCTraveler Dec 2017 #351

It isn't homophobic to say that straight people and gay people pnwmom Dec 2017 #377

I didnt say it was. NCTraveler Dec 2017 #378

What did you mean by "there is blatant homophobia in this?" In what? pnwmom Dec 2017 #380

I don't see why people are doubting this story. DanTex Dec 2017 #339

What the hell are these comments? liberalmuse Dec 2017 #341

Could... DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2017 #343

No offense but I dont believe your employee. Nt LostOne4Ever Dec 2017 #374

This all sounds like a rejected Seinfeld episode starring George Costanza! Nm bagelsforbreakfast Dec 2017 #379