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In reply to the discussion: Bernie says Franken should resign [View all]Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)118. I did not agree with the claim that he cared only about economic justice
The voters wanted a strong antiracist position, agreed. All Democratic candidates(with the possible exception of Webb)had that, and had it equally. And I've agreed about a million times that Bernie should have said more about institutional bigotry, and agree that he shouldn't run again, so why are you still not letting this go with me? I don't have to apologize for supporting him to prove I'm antioppression, for Goddess' sakes.
We needed economic justice ALONG with social justice. Not instead of it, but along with it.. There was no other Dem primary campaign even discussing economic justice issues. The other candidates were progressive, but only on issues not involving things like income inequality, the effects of post-1981 economic savagery on working-class people of all races, and the need to take corporations out of politics.
What we needed, and STILL need, is a fusion of the best of Sanders, Clinton, and O'Malley ideas, combined with the best ideas new candidates will come up with. That's what I care about, justice for the MANY-I don't have a candidate and don't actually care at this time who we nominate. What matters is what we stand for and what we propose.
Why is it STILL important to you to pretend Bernie doesn't care about social justice? Or that his present or former supporters don't care about it? At this stage, why still keep picking at that scab?
I agree with you on everything you consider social justice, and go further than you do in wanting more social services and a real battle against poverty. I've never once at all said economic justice matters more than everything else.
It's not true that economic justice is the ONLY issue I care about, or even that I center it. If that was true, I wouldn't be an active member of SURJ, for one thing and I wouldn't have campaigned for Jesse Jackson twice. People who don't care about fighting racism don't do things like that.
What I center is BOTH justice struggles and the intersectionality between them.
Is there a reason you can't accept that as a legitimate position?
And I've called for a recalibration of the Sanders ideas to account for historic injustice, which should resolve any tension between the two justice struggles, so why are you still trying to call my commitment to antiracist, antioppression politics into question?
I don't want Bernie to run again. You KNOW that.
The reason I'll always challenge the "Bernie doesn't care about social justice" slur when it's repeated like you just did, is that
A) it's smear and demonstrably untrue;
B) It serves no good purpose to perpetuate the smear;
C) It ends up being an argument that his SUPPORTERS don't care about social justice(in truth, virtually EVERYONE on the left is equally anti-oppression) that is used to drive his supporters away when we HAVE to have an alliance with them to beat the Right.
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WOW WTF?!!? They either know more than they're letting on or this is one dumb ass'd move where anony
uponit7771
Dec 2017
#3
In other words, they all know he's resigning tomorrow (i.e. he's doing "the right thing"). n/t
PoliticAverse
Dec 2017
#30
RW machine searching Nursing homes right now for some Bernie accusers.........
Bengus81
Dec 2017
#122
I guess Bernie has never been victim of people accusing him of something he hasn't done
still_one
Dec 2017
#5
What Hillary has to do with it? Or Sanders running? Did you even read the OP?
lunamagica
Dec 2017
#31
That comment was pointing out hypocrisy. Why are you deliberately distorting it
R B Garr
Dec 2017
#41
I've heard it described as a satirical essay. It was stupid, he should never have written it.
Ken Burch
Dec 2017
#55
IF ANY EVIDENCE EMERGES THAT HE ACTUALLY HAS DONE ANY OF THAT, I WILL IMMEDIATELY JOIN CALLS FOR HIS
lunamagica
Dec 2017
#90
It's a fair question that deserves to be answered. (But don't hold your breath.) You have...
NurseJackie
Dec 2017
#95
The silence lets me know that he KNOWS he's making a WEAK and FLAWED argument...
NurseJackie
Dec 2017
#102
It was pointing out that what Bernie wrote, almost half-a-century in the past, no longer matters.
Ken Burch
Dec 2017
#46
Yes, he is the problem, and so is everyone who is aking Sen Franken to step down
lunamagica
Dec 2017
#54
It says to me that they are spineless. You know who is jumping with joy over this? Kelllyanne,
lunamagica
Dec 2017
#60
Ooops, sorry Jackie! That was for Ken, who apparently thinks he can question posters
lunamagica
Dec 2017
#74
I understand! When someone does that, they think they're being clever, BUT...
NurseJackie
Dec 2017
#77
I get the feeling it's a self-serving "look at me" moment. Typical politician...
NurseJackie
Dec 2017
#80
Bernie should concern himself with his OWN party. He should not butt in on other parties.
Squinch
Dec 2017
#21
Yep. And if he didn't trash Democrats every time he opened his mouth, I would have been happy
Squinch
Dec 2017
#24
I conceded nothing. Sanders tweeted, we discuss. Do you support what he said?
lunamagica
Dec 2017
#84
Oh good lord. Ok, no linking to Sanders tweets without comment or apparently you are pot stirring.
MrsCoffee
Dec 2017
#42
Yes I guess you are right. This is sickening to me. I think I will be a mistake to lose Franken.
Tipperary
Dec 2017
#98
Well FUCK YOU TOO Bernie. You are just as weak as the rest of the cowards calling
Ferrets are Cool
Dec 2017
#83
I love Bernie but he's wrong on this & I told him. As I told my Sen. Chris Murphy the same thing.
Nanjeanne
Dec 2017
#107