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flamingdem

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78. Great info for the thread

Wed Jan 28, 2015, 10:39 PM

Jan 2015

Very interesting!

I think the US must be on the way to giving up Guantanamo. I heard those that live there are aware change is coming. However, the US may try to get some concessions to have a continuing presence there. We shall see.

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Cuban President Raul Castro: US Must Lift Embargo And Give Back Guantanamo To Normalize Relations [View all] Judi Lynn Jan 2015 OP

That's unfortunate - I don't see any scenario in which the US gives back Guantanamo Bay George II Jan 2015 #1

Isn't it only leased atm anyway? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jan 2015 #2

It is leased. Cuba can break the lease, if it chooses to. Mika Jan 2015 #6

The lease was written so both parties have to agree to break it. EX500rider Jan 2015 #10

Care to show us the exact language that states that? Thanks. Mika Jan 2015 #15

Article I EX500rider Jan 2015 #17

And how does this prevent Cuba from terminating the lease? Mika Jan 2015 #20

As written as long as the US makes payments it is in effect. EX500rider Jan 2015 #21

Except that a lease may be terminated by the lessor. Mika Jan 2015 #25

"Except that a lease may be terminated by the lessor." if stipulated in the lease.. EX500rider Jan 2015 #43

Spoken like a true imperialist or a false historian. JackRiddler Jan 2015 #59

He's referring to the "gov't" that Teddy Roosevelt & his roughriders put in power. Mika Jan 2015 #73

If the US was "Imperlists" in 1903 Cuba would have been a US state after we.. EX500rider Jan 2015 #84

If your position was true, Castro did that in 1959 happyslug Jan 2015 #75

The lease doesn't say they have to cash the checks. EX500rider Jan 2015 #88

Cuba is certainly violating Article IV. former9thward Jan 2015 #93

The US is committing the same violation. Mika Jan 2015 #108

If they could break the lease by themselves, they would have decades ago Reter Jan 2015 #53

Yeah, they should just post an eviction notice on the door Orangepeel Jan 2015 #99

It is leased, until "no longer necessary", which isn't very specific. We paid roughly $200 a year.. George II Jan 2015 #19

True bullying at its finest. It was accomplished in 1903 with the "Provisional President." Judi Lynn Jan 2015 #60

Great info for the thread flamingdem Jan 2015 #78

I lived in the US Virgin Islands and a normalization of relations with Cuba QuestionAlways Jan 2015 #47

... or give up the Panama Canal, or turn its back on the Shah of Iran or turn over Subic Bay........ marble falls Jan 2015 #61

The Panama Canal was subject to a 99 year lease.... happyslug Jan 2015 #116

Either this is a negociating ploy or the deal is off FLPanhandle Jan 2015 #3

Why not? The base was created in what has since been discredited, a war years ago. freshwest Jan 2015 #23

+1 If anything, I think closing Guantanamo will help us in the prestige dept. nt snappyturtle Jan 2015 #49

See #47 above QuestionAlways Jan 2015 #51

Sorry, for some reason I can't see #47. So that doesn't answer my question. Who posted it, or who freshwest Jan 2015 #58

Giving up Gitmo is as much a political decision as practical one FLPanhandle Jan 2015 #67

The US rapprochement is a one way street. The US way, or the highway. Mika Jan 2015 #74

Cuba has more to gain than the US FLPanhandle Jan 2015 #77

Cuba's position is the goal full normalization - as it always has. Mika Jan 2015 #82

The USA needs to give Guantanamo back flamingdem Jan 2015 #76

This whole public demand means Kerry/Obama probably have made an error FLPanhandle Jan 2015 #79

I support what they did but have always noticed how STUPID the USA is regarding Cuba flamingdem Jan 2015 #81

I think this is the way Guantanamo will be closed without congress. Thanks to President O. Sunlei Jan 2015 #121

Hoping like hell you are right! n/t Judi Lynn Jan 2015 #132

I think we SHOULD turn Gitmo over to the Cubans.... Adrahil Jan 2015 #111

We should and would probably be wiling to behind closed doors over time FLPanhandle Jan 2015 #114

I think they have the right to ask for it to be returned. Also, it's not about national pride. freshwest Jan 2015 #115

That doesn't change reality. Adrahil Jan 2015 #123

Odd-- the same thing was said about simply opening better relations with Cuba, too. LanternWaste Jan 2015 #107

Shit's gettin real BrotherIvan Jan 2015 #4

Or we can wait a few years until both Castros are dead hack89 Jan 2015 #5

Love your staunch position and bravery. Mika Jan 2015 #7

The second generation of Chinese leaders embraced capitalism hack89 Jan 2015 #22

The average age of the Cuban National Assembly is 49 yrs old. Mika Jan 2015 #26

Time will tell. hack89 Jan 2015 #29

Cuba has always sought normalization. Mika Jan 2015 #30

Don't blame them hack89 Jan 2015 #35

Who cannot make unilateral demands? Mika Jan 2015 #37

The U.S. will not give up Gitmo without concessions hack89 Jan 2015 #39

Spot on. outside Jan 2015 #102

Cuba's per capita debt is 1/30th of the US's. Mika Jan 2015 #109

China embracing capitalism will be the death of the USofA. nm rhett o rick Jan 2015 #40

That has been American policy for 56 years. former9thward Jan 2015 #8

Cuba has a lot more to gain than we do. hack89 Jan 2015 #24

Let us know when the US becomes "self sufficient". Mika Jan 2015 #27

We can feed our population without imports. They can't hack89 Jan 2015 #32

Mission accomplished. That's what the US sanctions intended to do. Impoverish the people of Cuba. Mika Jan 2015 #36

Bringing Cuba into the global economy is paramount hack89 Jan 2015 #38

We are an imperialistic country. We will do what makes money for our Oligarch Rulers. rhett o rick Jan 2015 #46

I think its the opposite. Cuba doesn't have sweatshops making Nike shoes and Sony TVs. Mika Jan 2015 #50

And why do you think that is? nm rhett o rick Jan 2015 #52

Cubans overwhelmingly rejected it in the late 50's. Mika Jan 2015 #54

How do you get there? nm rhett o rick Jan 2015 #87

I buy a ticket and fly out of Ft Lauderdale airport. Mika Jan 2015 #112

My wife and I would like to visit someday. nm rhett o rick Jan 2015 #117

can also fly to cuba from canada/mexico no passport is needed. people do this all the time. Sunlei Jan 2015 #122

FYI, if you don't qualify under the new regs, it is still illegal for you to go. eom Mika Jan 2015 #124

Nope, they don't make much of anything, and the average wage Adrahil Jan 2015 #130

And you were there when? Mika Jan 2015 #131

Just do it. Owl Jan 2015 #9

To give back Gitmo, US would have to disinter and dispose of all their murder victims Demeter Jan 2015 #11

I don't see the US giving Guantanamo back any time soon, but the lifting of the embargo will hughee99 Jan 2015 #12

Oh yeah? DeSwiss Jan 2015 #64

You think Cuba will hold up normalized relations with one of the largest economies in the world hughee99 Jan 2015 #80

That's not ALL of what they said, nor I.... DeSwiss Jan 2015 #95

Did they mention the 6,000 American owned properties they seized? (and never paid for) EX500rider Jan 2015 #13

Did you mention compensation was offered decades ago and people in other countries, Judi Lynn Jan 2015 #14

The payment was to be made in Cuban bonds—an idea that was not taken seriously by the United States EX500rider Jan 2015 #16

The payments made by Cuba were accepted by all other non-US entities. Mika Jan 2015 #31

Sure: EX500rider Jan 2015 #41

Thanks for the op/ed link. Mika Jan 2015 #44

So U.S. owners, like the George H. W. Bush relatives decided the arrangements taken by others Judi Lynn Jan 2015 #45

They knew that the US long game plan was to impoverish Cuba. Of course they wanted cash. Mika Jan 2015 #56

That's accurate to the core. Glad you mentioned it. n/t Judi Lynn Jan 2015 #66

Just 'cause Cuba makes a offer doesn't mean we have to take. EX500rider Jan 2015 #85

You seem to have forgotten US-supported monster Fulgencio Batista took the Cuban Treasury Judi Lynn Jan 2015 #55

"after everyone knows it offered compensation" EX500rider Jan 2015 #86

By the design of the country that refused payment. Mika Jan 2015 #110

Cuban bonds would be next to worthless anyway. EX500rider Jan 2015 #118

And exactly who where those 6,000 Americans that "owned" property in Cuba? rhett o rick Jan 2015 #48

The Treaty of Paris (1783) compensated the British property owners. former9thward Jan 2015 #94

Interesting thing about the 1%. When they gamble on stocks or derivitives or rhett o rick Jan 2015 #103

Interesting trivia fact about Cuban compensation. former9thward Jan 2015 #105

I don't think the USofA should use their bully powers to see that corporations like that rhett o rick Jan 2015 #106

Unless they brought it with them, nobody owns shit on this planet. DeSwiss Jan 2015 #65

Cool...so you don't own your house then? EX500rider Jan 2015 #83

''Tibi non potest accipies tecum'' DeSwiss Jan 2015 #96

Cuba might be better off negotiating for the US to turn atleast part of Guantanamo cstanleytech Jan 2015 #18

Negotiations will continue, much better a war of words than a.....war. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #28

A war? Cuba's ANNUAL military budget = less than 4 hours US military budget. Mika Jan 2015 #34

Makes sense though I mean why have a large military when you are on an island that doesnt really cstanleytech Jan 2015 #42

No Cuban neighbors are likely to invade Cuba? Really? Does "Bay of Pigs" Judi Lynn Jan 2015 #57

Yes and since that stupidity they have not tried and why should they? Cuba doesnt hold any real cstanleytech Jan 2015 #63

If the people who run the U.S. have no interests in invading Cuba, why did Pres. Dwight Eisenhower Judi Lynn Jan 2015 #69

You are talking from decades ago but I am talking currently and currently barring anything cstanleytech Jan 2015 #72

I guess you have forgotten about Cuban military intervention overseas. former9thward Jan 2015 #127

Shame on you for bringing up those pesky facts! Zorro Jan 2015 #129

Plan! libodem Jan 2015 #33

K&R DeSwiss Jan 2015 #62

Yeowwwwch! Looks dangerous! n/t Judi Lynn Jan 2015 #70

It's like those Clearinghouse Sweepstakes letters...... DeSwiss Jan 2015 #97

Sad to see the defense of sociopath imperialists n/t JonLP24 Jan 2015 #68

Isn't it, though! Not so democratic. n/t Judi Lynn Jan 2015 #71

So sad to see the defense of communists dictators too. EX500rider Jan 2015 #89

How do you feel about US - Saudi Arabia relations? JonLP24 Jan 2015 #90

I didn't defend any actions. EX500rider Jan 2015 #119

Jurisdiction is in Cuba. Mika Jan 2015 #125

Yeah but sociopathic imperialists are much, much worse. DeSwiss Jan 2015 #126

No when it comes to sociopaths the Stalin's and Mao's win the race by far. EX500rider Jan 2015 #128

Tough talk before the impending increased privatizations. joshcryer Jan 2015 #91

Time for Obama to pull back and let Raul and Fidel stew for a while Zorro Jan 2015 #92

Why? For having the audacity to ask us to give up our hub of villainy on their island? TheKentuckian Jan 2015 #98

Simple negotioation strategy Elmer S. E. Dump Jan 2015 #100

Well, that's one way to close Guantanamo. no_hypocrisy Jan 2015 #101

The U.S. should accede to these demands, promptly. Paladin Jan 2015 #104

+ infinity Mika Jan 2015 #113

Thats what I have always suggested, give back Guantanamo, get out. That land belongs to Cuba. Sunlei Jan 2015 #120