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whereisjustice

(2,941 posts)
42. Unnecessary triangulating/pandering to his red meat base
Sun Feb 1, 2015, 02:07 PM
Feb 2015

What next, a heart warming tribute to Darren Wilson? Daniel Pantaleo? A random sociopath?

http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/kyleclaims.asp

Indeed, the account does not hold water simply on the grounds cited in the passage quoted above. Imagining that SEALs were deployed to New Orleans in the chaotic days that followed Katrina is not exceptionally hard, considering the level of disorder that followed the devastation wrought by the hurricane. But the notion that dozens of Americans were shot dead on mere suspicion of (relatively minor) crimes, on American soil and with the full support of a system of law that otherwise does not allow for such summary
punitive actions, challenges credulity to a very large degree. Moreover, thirty or so bodies of local residents slain in such a manner never turned up as corroborative evidence of such a claim. The circumstance Kyle claimed would have required the silence and compliance of all witnesses, the families of the dead, all involved law enforcement agencies, and untold others who might have become aware of killings meted out under inarguably public circumstances. Had Kyle and his fellows truly dispatched such a large number of looters or "residents who were contributing to the chaos" (who had neither been charged with nor convicted of any crime, much less a capital one), some other evidence of this tale would have emerged. One person disappearing under such circumstances is unusual; thirty or so is truly unbelievable.

All involved had heard the story, and some of them claimed to know of a person who had seen the purported footage — but all of them heard the story from the same source (Kyle himself), and none of them could personally attest to having viewed the alleged security camera footage. And just as in the Superdome sniping tale, the putative victims remain unidentified even now, so no one can possibly verify whether they're even dead, much less the circumstances under which they died.

Moreover, the single claim of this group that stood a legal test of its veracity failed: Kyle's claims about Jesse Ventura were sufficiently non-provable that a jury (deliberating in a country that, by and large, holds a large measure of respect and pursuant leeway for American servicemen) saw fit to award damages to Ventura totaling seven figures, even with the knowledge that Kyle himself hadn't lived to see the sanction and the damages would be levied against his widow and other beneficiaries of his estate.

Read more at http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/kyleclaims.asp#OWkGx04Fjl9rt4rJ.99

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screw Godwin's law or whatever . . . this is like Mein Kampf for American haters zazen Feb 2015 #1
To paraphrase Twain.... paleotn Feb 2015 #32
It is frightening. This seems to indicate a somewhat culturewide failing of empathy and newthinking Feb 2015 #60
Snops debunks claims made by Kyle and others. DhhD Feb 2015 #2
Gregg Abbott spent his Lieutenant Governorship suing President Obama. DhhD Feb 2015 #10
Greg Abbott was never the Lt. Governor S_B_Jackson Feb 2015 #35
And Dewhurst has now been replaced..... Paladin Feb 2015 #41
All talk at the moment since the legislature isn't even in session... S_B_Jackson Feb 2015 #63
I know all about Patrick. He's a piece of filth. Paladin Feb 2015 #65
Even if his claims have been proven false, the fact that a Arkansas Granny Feb 2015 #25
Fox says it should be celebrated ... butterfly77 Feb 2015 #57
This message was self-deleted by its author Turbineguy Feb 2015 #3
Can either Texas or New England secede now? MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #4
If New England secedes can they please take New York too? n/t A Simple Game Feb 2015 #6
City or State? MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #13
As a resident of Northern New York I am referring to New York state. A Simple Game Feb 2015 #20
I've always wanted Travis County to secede from Texas.. ananda Feb 2015 #45
Finnish Sniper father founding Feb 2015 #5
A state holiday based on the fictional film portrayal of a serviceman. I have a better suggestion. DFW Feb 2015 #7
Have tried warning folks here in Texas about abbott, joshdawg Feb 2015 #8
Bigoted Killer Day daleo Feb 2015 #9
Texas Legislature examining bills to arm every Texans in every place, public and private. Coming DhhD Feb 2015 #17
This 'hero' boasted heaven05 Feb 2015 #27
You are probably correct daleo Feb 2015 #46
American Sniper = Nations Pride AwareOne Feb 2015 #11
^^THIS^^ MrMickeysMom Feb 2015 #28
Have you seen it? I haven't, so I'm reluctant to give an opinion of it. Orrex Feb 2015 #44
Abbott could also proclaim it "Big Fat Liar Day" nt Malraiders Feb 2015 #12
Disgusting blackspade Feb 2015 #14
Liberals could use it as an anti-propaganda day. The more we would expose, the bloomington-lib Feb 2015 #15
I agree... SoapBox Feb 2015 #18
That would be a HUGE mistake. Like it or not, Kyle is seen by most as a hero 7962 Feb 2015 #24
"ridiculous nonsense"????? heaven05 Feb 2015 #26
You presume a lot. You cant know what I've dealt with. And you miss the point. 7962 Feb 2015 #51
please!!!! heaven05 Feb 2015 #70
"It would just come off as "anti military", and you lose that argument" MrMickeysMom Feb 2015 #30
I didnt say keep quiet and go away! 7962 Feb 2015 #52
I haven't seen "soft talking" as effective. In fact from my experience newthinking Feb 2015 #61
Yuck. SoapBox Feb 2015 #16
Texas screws over Charles Whitman once again! Tom Ripley Feb 2015 #19
Yet another reason why 2naSalit Feb 2015 #21
If you do go, remember their favorite credo... MrMickeysMom Feb 2015 #31
Indeed. 2naSalit Feb 2015 #33
Unbelievably long boring ride across that state! How did you DO it? MrMickeysMom Feb 2015 #36
One of the key points 2naSalit Feb 2015 #39
Loved your description of the life... MrMickeysMom Feb 2015 #50
I do, and thank you. 2naSalit Feb 2015 #67
Watch the sky daleo Feb 2015 #47
I don't go either. Blue_In_AK Feb 2015 #58
yeah, I stay in the neighborhood for the most part now. 2naSalit Feb 2015 #68
I believe Monty Python's The Meaning of Life summed up our hypocritical society best CBGLuthier Feb 2015 #22
shitbag appreciation daY! KG Feb 2015 #23
They're still angry about Spirochete Feb 2015 #29
Hate Day C Moon Feb 2015 #34
Michelle Obama likes American Sniper. former9thward Feb 2015 #37
Unnecessary triangulating/pandering to his red meat base whereisjustice Feb 2015 #42
You say "his red meat base" so perhaps you misread. former9thward Feb 2015 #43
No, but you clearly did - "his red meat base" means what it says. Perhaps had I written "His" whereisjustice Feb 2015 #49
I think Michelle Obama is looking to run for the Senate in 2016. former9thward Feb 2015 #55
Why not a Charles Whitman day? guillaumeb Feb 2015 #38
GMTA! Tom Ripley Feb 2015 #53
using the right tools guillaumeb Feb 2015 #56
Abbott can call it whatever he wants... ReRe Feb 2015 #40
Hee Haw kickback from book sales to the gov, or just a stupid state? lunasun Feb 2015 #48
The worst Republican is a Texas Republican. Dawson Leery Feb 2015 #54
Good point - I recently read they granted him parole... whereisjustice Feb 2015 #59
So, is Texas celebrating a terrorist or mass murderer? KansDem Feb 2015 #62
Red River Rivalry.... wait for it. V0ltairesGh0st Feb 2015 #64
... sakabatou Feb 2015 #66
Texas never misses an opportunity to embarrass itself Skittles Feb 2015 #69
Charles Joseph Whitman Octafish Feb 2015 #71
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