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In reply to the discussion: Deadly attack on office of French magazine Charlie Hebdo [View all]Violet_Crumble
(36,379 posts)210. I know. Did you see the French clip taking the piss out of Faux?
It was hilarious...
And there's this article about those claims
Why the Muslim 'No-Go-Zone' Myth Won't Die
There's no evidence of extremist takeover of areas in Europe or the United States. So why do the claims continue?
Have you heard about the areas of Europe, or perhaps even of the United States, that are run by jihadists and which non-Muslims can't even enter?
Don't get too worried if you haven't: They don't exist. Or maybe you have, if you watch Fox News or read snippets of Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal's speech about Islamic extremism. While politics is rife with falsehoods, myths, and baseless rumors, it's often tough to see exactly where a claim comes from, and how it reaches a wider audienceincluding, for example, a Republican governor with apparent presidential aspirations and a reputation as a sober policy wonk. Here, however, it's possible to follow forensic traces and see how some small elements of truth metastasized into an outlandish claim.
<snip>
But where did the claim come from in the first place? Like many political myths, there's a partial basis in fact that has become exaggerated into a hyperbolic and, in this case, inflammatory and dangerous claim.
<snip>
The third factor is what are known as "Zones Urbaines Sensibles," or "sensitive urban zones," in France. These areas are defined by their socioeconomic statusthey're characterized by high unemployment, high rates of public housing, and low educational attainment. As it happens, many of these areas are populated largely by poor immigrants from the Muslim world, creating a neat but misleading correlation. Some of the "no-go" coverage has suggested that police and other emergency services dare not go into these areas. The United States is sadly not immune to dangerous city areas where emergency-service providers feel unsafe, so in that way this is a universal phenomenon. But as BusinessWeek notes, it's not the case that the government has written these zones off; in fact, they've been designated for further attention and work on urban renewal.
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/01/paris-mayor-to-sue-fox-over-no-go-zone-comments/384656/
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I am usually on the side of the outlaw, but in this case I hope these assassins are caught,
ellenrr
Jan 2015
#49
I was under the impression that even a self-defined argument is still predicated on an objective and
LanternWaste
Jan 2015
#140
Sort of like how Jonathan Pollard gave ammunition to Stormfront, I suppose
shaayecanaan
Jan 2015
#194
I am sitting in France at this moment and I can assure you no such thing is happening.
CBGLuthier
Jan 2015
#22
That is absolutely GOLDEN! Didnt get to see what u were responding to, but I can imagine!!
7962
Feb 2015
#200
Ah, the old favorite, compare a comment to "Stormfront". Weak. But not surprising
7962
Jan 2015
#184
Hey, the New York Times reported on 150 no-go zones TEN years ago. Guess they're in a bubble too.
7962
Feb 2015
#203
Yeah, I never thought I'd see an article from the NY Times that would back Fox either.
7962
Feb 2015
#207
As stated on msnbc, they were going to feature the book "Submission" this week
AngryAmish
Jan 2015
#21
#BREAKING France raises Paris alert status to highest level after newspaper shooting
Bosonic
Jan 2015
#6
At the moment there is actually no evidence who they are or their motives.
Fred Sanders
Jan 2015
#41
I was referring to the national security alert assuming something without evidence...not to you
Fred Sanders
Jan 2015
#47
It was already reported, by the time you wrote that, they shouted "we have avenged the rophet"
muriel_volestrangler
Jan 2015
#97
" Of course the magazine has been creating this situation." ?! are you being satirical?
ellenrr
Jan 2015
#28
What precision and training do you need with assault rifles against an office of journalists?
Fred Sanders
Jan 2015
#43
I imagine we all of us like to pretend our "stuff" is better than "their "stuff."
LanternWaste
Jan 2015
#142
Eleven dead in shooting at Paris offices of satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo – live updates
Bosonic
Jan 2015
#12
Same applies precisely to national borders-- which also divides by its very nature.
LanternWaste
Jan 2015
#146
link? Major French progressives were murdered, so it would be RW or other extremists cheering
uhnope
Jan 2015
#137
Thank you for this article. This was what I was thinking when I read about this and the cartoon.
jwirr
Jan 2015
#82
Charlie Hebdo Staffer: 'It Lasted Five Minutes... They Spoke French Perfectly'
riversedge
Jan 2015
#128
They are segueing into getting Americans fearful...unless there is a plane crash that is their other
Fred Sanders
Jan 2015
#181