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(19,993 posts) Tue Feb 17, 2015, 04:21 PM Feb 2015

Russia shelled Ukrainians from within its own territory, says study [View all]

Source: Guardian

Tuesday 17 February 2015 09.00 EST

When Ukrainian forces came under withering attack in the east of the country last summer, soldiers were surprised as much as scared by the ferocity of the attack. The separatists they were up against had proven fierce and organised. But this was something else.

Now a group of British investigative journalists using digital detection techniques, satellite imagery and social media has provided near conclusive proof that the shelling came from across the border in Russia.

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Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/17/russia-shelled-ukrainians-from-within-its-own-territory-says-study

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Russia shelled Ukrainians from within its own territory, says study [View all] moondust Feb 2015 OP

If the shelling truly came from Russia sakabatou Feb 2015 #1

... uhnope Feb 2015 #67

It can't possibly be true. RT says no. Major Nikon Feb 2015 #2

And of course the American government never lies to it's people. rhett o rick Feb 2015 #18

And of course the American government commissions it's own propaganda network cleverly disguised Major Nikon Feb 2015 #19

If you are speaking of ABC, CBS, NBC and CNN, then yesss. They would tell us there were WMD's rhett o rick Feb 2015 #21

Well there you go, EXACTLY the same Major Nikon Feb 2015 #22

Your post is ridiculous, but I guess that's what you do when you have nothing. rhett o rick Feb 2015 #24

You stole my line! Major Nikon Feb 2015 #33

Ridiculous. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #65

Your post says it all and thereof is Cha Feb 2015 #48

The US actually does JonLP24 Feb 2015 #23

Some don't want to hear anything except goodness about our government. nm rhett o rick Feb 2015 #25

Project Censored - What is modern censorship? newthinking Feb 2015 #30

Yep, right on. nm rhett o rick Feb 2015 #43

You said it brother Major Nikon Feb 2015 #38

This message was self-deleted by its author rhett o rick Feb 2015 #44

So RT is biased 'JUST LIKE' CNN, but I'm the one that has a bazaar way of looking at things Major Nikon Feb 2015 #55

This message was self-deleted by its author rhett o rick Feb 2015 #59

"...I recognize that RT is biased just like CNN is." Major Nikon Feb 2015 #60

This message was self-deleted by its author rhett o rick Feb 2015 #63

Next time try making more sense and you might have better luck Major Nikon Feb 2015 #66

Well it's a lot better than the Russian one treestar Feb 2015 #56

I am not arguing whether Russia is better than the USofA, I am arguing against censorship on a rhett o rick Feb 2015 #64

You forgot to mention the Propaganda Broadcasting Service (PBS) Major Nikon Feb 2015 #37

RT really isn't like that JonLP24 Feb 2015 #39

RT really is like that Major Nikon Feb 2015 #40

RT covers the criticism JonLP24 Feb 2015 #51

So you have nothing of substance to add except that Sesame Street is like the Hitler Youth? rhett o rick Feb 2015 #45

Sarchasm Major Nikon Feb 2015 #46

If it was an attempt at sarcasm I think you failed. I didn't say that "RT is worthy of equal trust rhett o rick Feb 2015 #47

Who said anything about censor? Major Nikon Feb 2015 #54

Right.. it's from the Guardian so it can't possibly be accurate.. and this has nothing to do with Cha Feb 2015 #49

The Guardian has probably been by far the greatest source regarding this conflict JonLP24 Feb 2015 #52

Interesting "investigative journalism group" Man from Pickens Feb 2015 #3

Same psych-ops group, same con game, same war mongering, same guillable targets. Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #6

Exactly. This is not a "Study", which is the first thing that should make people realize this newthinking Feb 2015 #31

"falsely blaming chemical weapons attack on Assad" sorry the only parties guilty of falsehoods geek tragedy Feb 2015 #7

That "evidence" was soundly refuted and rejected Man from Pickens Feb 2015 #9

"the evidence was soundly refuted and rejected" by no one with any credibility geek tragedy Feb 2015 #11

The American people have credibility Man from Pickens Feb 2015 #14

Thinking war was a bad idea is not the same thing as thinking that the Assad regime was geek tragedy Feb 2015 #15

They go hand-in-hand Man from Pickens Feb 2015 #20

The UN and Human Rights Watch reports have all established facts pointing the finger geek tragedy Feb 2015 #28

People are ignorant that this is a continuation of PAX Americana and the International Republican newthinking Feb 2015 #32

.......................... Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #10

He's saying that the ground markings on the Russian side were evidence of artillery use geek tragedy Feb 2015 #13

Right.. according to the Usual Suspects.. Assad and Putin are blameless homophobic despots.. Cha Feb 2015 #50

How do the other so-called "usual suspects" feel about Ukraine's government? JonLP24 Feb 2015 #53

We're glad Svoboda got bounced from the government geek tragedy Feb 2015 #57

yeah, let's take Assad's word for it that the rebels used them even though they didn't have CW. LOL! Bill USA Feb 2015 #12

Saddam's too, while we're at it Man from Pickens Feb 2015 #17

WHAT A LOAD OF FUCKING BULLSHIT DeSwiss Feb 2015 #4

So the U.S. Military is incapable of also discovering this "truth"? Some journalists can? Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #5

"doing so could expose the secret intelligence operations involved in making such claims." jakeXT Feb 2015 #8

Translation: MattSh Feb 2015 #29

"This is the best evidence we got"...... Speculation. Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #34

Won't be seeing any of the usual suspects in this thread, I promise you Blue_Tires Feb 2015 #16

Just a day or so ago they attempted to murder some CNN guys. joshcryer Feb 2015 #26

Coincidence is not evidence. Speculation is not fact. Wishes are not horses. Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #35

Read the link. joshcryer Feb 2015 #41

VIDEO from the link, imagine being on the recieving end. Beautiful countryside: freshwest Feb 2015 #27

Says study....... polly7 Feb 2015 #36

You can clearly hear the round fired nearby. joshcryer Feb 2015 #42

Your friend out west. nt Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2015 #62

Always check your source tech3149 Feb 2015 #58

That you, Pooty? moondust Feb 2015 #61