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whatthehey

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44. Apples and oranges
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 02:33 PM
Mar 2015

The original copy of Tacitus doesn't exist any more either, and in fact is centuries older than Plato copies, in the 15th Century CE.

But, as I'm sure you know and are hoping you can slide it past less attentive readers, there is an enormous difference between age of oldest copy and timing of authorship.

If nobody had MENTIONED Alexander the Great until many decades after his death, he may be dubious too (although all the cities and Hellenism are a bit of a hint). It doesn't much matter that those mentions are not in the original author's own hand; it does matter that that original author saw Alexander and was with him. There is nothing like that about Jesus, however old the copies. The gospels were not written by apostles despite later naming conventions, and Paul, the earliest writer just a couple of decades later (but the oldest copies are from about 200CE. See how easy it is not to conflate authorship dates and copy dates?), never met the man and is conspicuously almost silent about his supposed life.

When a biography from that period was written is far more important than how old the copy we use is.

Graffiti insulting Jesus? KamaAina Feb 2015 #1
Yes, he was Jewish, ......a Jewish revolutionary against the Romans. meti57b Feb 2015 #3
Is there any unbiased, scientific, not religious proof he existed? randys1 Feb 2015 #4
I don't know of any proof, but if it can be assumed he did exist.... meti57b Feb 2015 #7
There is no proof that Moses existed, no proof Jews were captive in Eypgt, snagglepuss Feb 2015 #8
Yes, Roman historians mentioned him. former9thward Feb 2015 #11
No contemporary Roman historian mentioned Jesus starroute Feb 2015 #16
Christians were an enemy of the state. former9thward Feb 2015 #19
Yes, he was mentioned... as in "The Christians believe this guy existed" Scootaloo Feb 2015 #21
No that is not what they said. former9thward Feb 2015 #24
Meanwhile, Nero blamed the Christians for the great fire of Rome in 64 AD. So by then progree Feb 2015 #25
Funny all the records we have of the Bar Khoba revolt, then Scootaloo Feb 2015 #26
To answer you whatthehey Mar 2015 #41
Where are these writings of Plato? former9thward Mar 2015 #42
Apples and oranges whatthehey Mar 2015 #44
It always apples and oranges to those who wish to deny history. former9thward Mar 2015 #45
Yes MosheFeingold Feb 2015 #35
(S)he asked if there is any "unbiased, scientific, not religious proof" he existed progree Feb 2015 #38
Ha MosheFeingold Mar 2015 #46
I was more questioning "scientific" and "unbiased" than "not religious" progree Mar 2015 #47
It's an insult w/o the actual words... DonViejo Feb 2015 #10
"If a picture paints 1000 words then why can't I insult Jesus?" Quantess Feb 2015 #37
They set fire to a toilet ! Oh,the humanity. virgogal Feb 2015 #2
That's called vandalism in my book. arcane1 Feb 2015 #6
It's actually arson, and could have been murder if anyone died. The Stranger Mar 2015 #43
After drinking Old Style all day, I have... AngryAmish Feb 2015 #13
Well, I guess that makes it okay, then. Scootaloo Feb 2015 #20
Would you snicker if they burned a bathroom in your house? n/t Judi Lynn Feb 2015 #22
Of course not,but I doubt the press would cover it either. virgogal Feb 2015 #36
Geez, just when Bibi is about to address the uber Christian Republicans mountain grammy Feb 2015 #5
what it had to be those muslims guys--those are the only bad guys there!!!!!! dembotoz Feb 2015 #9
a Jewish person torched a christian church because a mosque was torched ? JI7 Feb 2015 #12
Or the same people torched both the mosque and the church starroute Feb 2015 #17
I'm certainly glad all these ambitious people have their faith to keep themselves centered. . . Journeyman Feb 2015 #14
Violent extremism isn't a facet of any one single group. pinto Feb 2015 #15
Sadly is anyone truly surprised? fingrin Feb 2015 #18
Did you read the article? potone Feb 2015 #23
Beat me to it. Coventina Feb 2015 #28
If you had read the link fingrin Feb 2015 #29
Semantics really fingrin Feb 2015 #30
Oh please. The difference between the Orthodox and Roman Catholic Church is not "semantics." Coventina Feb 2015 #32
And yet those liberalhistorian Feb 2015 #27
Find them leftynyc Feb 2015 #31
I have a hard time believing this. candelista Feb 2015 #33
There's a history of attacks on Christians by extremists... Violet_Crumble Feb 2015 #39
Thanks for the info, which is disturbing. candelista Feb 2015 #40
I wonder how right wing fundamentalist Christian groups LibertyLover Feb 2015 #34
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