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14. Yes I can blame them, if this played out as it seems

Sun May 3, 2015, 08:45 PM

May 2015

We have the right in the US to insult Jesus, Mohammed, George Washington, Santa Claus, whoever. They're being assholes by doing it, but for better or worse, that's what the first amendment is all about.

You don't go shooting up a group of people because you're offended by what they say. God help us if that's where we're headed.

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Breaking: Gunfire reported at anti-Islam event at Garland ISD facility [View all] charlie and algernon May 2015 OP

Texas Teabaggers causing trouble again. AngryAmish May 2015 #1

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2015 #13

Yes I can blame them, if this played out as it seems bigworld May 2015 #14

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2015 #16

They're absolutely evil. I won't defend them. bigworld May 2015 #17

And they still have the fucking right to spout there filth GGJohn May 2015 #21

Voltaire's position. Jackpine Radical May 2015 #42

You Goddamned well ought to support hate speech.... Paladin May 2015 #127

Have no fucking clue what the fuck you're talking about. eom. GGJohn May 2015 #131

Standing up for the 2A is hate speech? GGJohn May 2015 #165

MIRT, clean up in Aisle 8. nt geek tragedy May 2015 #22

Internet Winner BojackFan May 2015 #73

Reluctantly Agree DallasNE May 2015 #87

Blasphemy as free speech is a stretch, after all. GGJohn May 2015 #89

I agree get the red out May 2015 #132

Fuck. That. Codeine May 2015 #111

Blasphemy is a victimless crime. nt msanthrope May 2015 #135

I like that! Tom Ripley May 2015 #160

Just.... NO Adrahil May 2015 #118

Blasphemy as free speech is a stretch, after all. The Green Manalishi May 2015 #119

I can say that your imaginary old man in the sky is a crock of shit. No problem. Elmer S. E. Dump May 2015 #140

Are you kidding? Arugula Latte May 2015 #141

So when an Athiest says something christx30 May 2015 #162

If people defending their religion with guns get picked off, Lucky Luciano May 2015 #15

Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words can never hurt me. kestrel91316 May 2015 #19

Osama bin Laden couldn't have said it any better. geek tragedy May 2015 #20

Do you think this attack is justified? hrmjustin May 2015 #23

Check the post count. geek tragedy May 2015 #25

Oh. looks like a job for mirt. hrmjustin May 2015 #26

Why do some people think their right to free speech includes hate speech? GGJohn May 2015 #27

Defending their religion by shooting? cosmicone May 2015 #33

Yes I blame them for committing violence. totodeinhere May 2015 #36

Are you defending shooting people over what they say? n/t Sexy Action News May 2015 #37

Why not? We see it here all the time. 7962 May 2015 #43

Free Speech-ophobia.. BojackFan May 2015 #77

You bet I can blame them leftynyc May 2015 #95

+ 1000 get the red out May 2015 #134

"Can you blame the 2 victims for defending their religion against Islamophobes? " Shoulders of Giants May 2015 #110

Because hate speech is free speech, junior. nt Codeine May 2015 #112

It was Pamela Geller - the Hate Lady and her Organization who put this event on dem in texas May 2015 #35

And the gunmen did EXACTLY leftynyc May 2015 #96

This is still only the second most lucky break Pamela Geller has ever received... Tom Ripley May 2015 #126

I wonder if Ms. Geller is experiencing a flush of pleasure; you know... down there. nt Eleanors38 May 2015 #139

here - 840high May 2015 #44

Oh yeah, Robert Spencer is a trusted and reliable voice Scootaloo May 2015 #75

No idea who he is. 840high May 2015 #83

of course not. But now you do Scootaloo May 2015 #84

His organisation is considered a hate group by the Anti-Defamation League shaayecanaan May 2015 #94

Thanks. 840high May 2015 #142

someone paid? or who gave them the venue free? Curtis Culwell Center in Garland ISD Sunlei May 2015 #129

I've been covering the events leading up to this with posts in the Texas Group TexasTowelie May 2015 #2

Just think what these Bigots and Hate Mongers can do when,,, Cryptoad May 2015 #4

See #44 840high May 2015 #47

Oh lib87 May 2015 #3

Thug Texans at it again! Cryptoad May 2015 #5

Before we jump to conclusions, Who was shot by whom, and why. JeffHead May 2015 #6

Apparently not, JeffHead 7962 May 2015 #45

See #44 840high May 2015 #48

See #75 Scootaloo May 2015 #76

Pamela Geller brings out the worst in everyone and everything.. mountain grammy May 2015 #7

Two people were killed. TexasTowelie May 2015 #8

Thanks for the news. romanic May 2015 #18

Looks like the paper deleted all the comments to the article itsrobert May 2015 #9

@AP: 1 officer, 2 suspects shot outside contest for cartoon depictions of Prophet Muhammad in Dallas Hissyspit May 2015 #10

Both suspects were killed. TexasTowelie May 2015 #11

see below d_r May 2015 #12

Imagine that, GGJohn May 2015 #24

freedom of what speech? AuntPatsy May 2015 #28

The right to belitte, insult a religion, be it Islam Judism, Chritianity, Buddism, whatever. eom. GGJohn May 2015 #29

Ok what does that have to do with the shooting? AuntPatsy May 2015 #38

So far it appears to be related to the anti islam event at that site. eom. GGJohn May 2015 #40

Appears is simply not good enough AuntPatsy May 2015 #56

Looking more and more like it's terrorism related. eom. GGJohn May 2015 #61

There are many forms of terrorism these days as well as far too many terroristic groups... AuntPatsy May 2015 #133

Just read post #12 7962 May 2015 #46

Blasphemy is protected here. geek tragedy May 2015 #30

Still not sure what it has to do with shooting AuntPatsy May 2015 #39

Why do you suppose the two perps shot up geek tragedy May 2015 #41

I guess if they could talk I would know as would you the truth of it all AuntPatsy May 2015 #55

. geek tragedy May 2015 #108

Hmm I wasn't aware this was a contest, but I'd like to believe the rule of law still AuntPatsy May 2015 #130

"innocent until proven guilty" is baseless and a cop out when the person is dead. geek tragedy May 2015 #136

We can agree to disagree.. Far too many judges circling the planet lacking true credentials... AuntPatsy May 2015 #145

So, in your opinion, it's not fair to state that Stalin committed murder and other crimes? geek tragedy May 2015 #146

Considering the amount of information that emerged concerning the histories of said AuntPatsy May 2015 #159

And boom goes the dynamite. BojackFan May 2015 #74

Sorry i misunderstood d_r May 2015 #158

Sounds like wingzeroday May 2015 #31

Garland is not a big town Gothmog May 2015 #32

Wouldn't exactly call Garland small. Lobo27 May 2015 #34

Correct... malokvale77 May 2015 #52

If your understanding of your religion is such that it prompts you Jackpine Radical May 2015 #49

yeah, civilized people only punish speech with €30,000 fines MisterP May 2015 #64

Well, I never claimed to be civilized. Jackpine Radical May 2015 #66

I am pissed... malokvale77 May 2015 #50

But you would agree that they have the absolute right to hold it? eom. GGJohn May 2015 #51

At an ISD? malokvale77 May 2015 #54

It doesn't matter what the venue is. GGJohn May 2015 #60

The venue does matter. malokvale77 May 2015 #65

So what if it was built with tax dollars, GGJohn May 2015 #70

I don't think that's even the issue derby378 May 2015 #79

Sure they have the right to be pissed off, GGJohn May 2015 #82

Agreed. A counter protest christx30 May 2015 #86

+1000. GGJohn May 2015 #88

Plus, now the Islamophobes can say christx30 May 2015 #113

Winner winner, chicken dinner! Quantess May 2015 #117

It is precisely BECAUSE it was built with tax dollars that they have the right to hold it there brooklynite May 2015 #104

There you have it 7962 May 2015 #105

Back in January there was an Islamic event held at the exact same place. tammywammy May 2015 #53

Are you comparing the two events? malokvale77 May 2015 #57

Your post leads one to think that they would only hold anti-Islamic events in Texas tammywammy May 2015 #58

If you read my post to you... malokvale77 May 2015 #63

The event was not supported by taxpayer dollars. The organizers of the event paid to use the totodeinhere May 2015 #62

It is a tax-payer built venue. malokvale77 May 2015 #67

It was not a religious event. totodeinhere May 2015 #69

And the organizers were tax paying citizens and paid to use the venue GGJohn May 2015 #71

I'm glad you think it OK to bring this kind of hate... malokvale77 May 2015 #78

I think it's ok to support the 1A, no matter how offensive the speech is. GGJohn May 2015 #81

You'd be just as offended if an atheist group held a meeting there, right? brooklynite May 2015 #122

So you'd be against leftynyc May 2015 #97

"Fine job they did, right?" EX500rider May 2015 #154

Is there a FOX "News" banner asking if this is Isis crossing over from Mexico? Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #59

Sounds like this was essentially entrapment. Novara May 2015 #68

Charged? For what? GGJohn May 2015 #72

So naturally the gunmen leftynyc May 2015 #98

I guess we shouldn't open any more Planned Parenthood clinics, right? brooklynite May 2015 #103

WTF are you babbling about? leftynyc May 2015 #109

After some coffee leftynyc May 2015 #125

That would be funny if it wasnt so ridiculous 7962 May 2015 #106

People like you need to go away. nt Codeine May 2015 #114

With what? Adrahil May 2015 #120

This Is The Point Most People Are Missing DallasNE May 2015 #149

No, most people know this was not 'entrapment' at all muriel_volestrangler May 2015 #150

But This Was An "artificially-provoked crime" DallasNE May 2015 #155

No, it was no more 'entrapment' than going to work in the World Trade Center muriel_volestrangler May 2015 #156

I hope the dead guys are named Billy Bob and Bubba. Comrade Grumpy May 2015 #80

Why? CBGLuthier May 2015 #85

No. Because I'd rather it be just another night in Texas... Comrade Grumpy May 2015 #143

Is " Elton Simpson" of Phoenix, Arizona close enough? hunter May 2015 #124

Looks like he was acting on jihadi impulses. Which is what I hoped it wasn't. Comrade Grumpy May 2015 #144

I'm not buying that yet. hunter May 2015 #148

At a school, huh. Yuck. n/t freshwest May 2015 #90

The organizers wanted this to happen. Marrah_G May 2015 #91

Pamela Geller is the one with the "Killing Jews is Worship" posters starroute May 2015 #93

What in fuck's name kind of SWAT team is this? Blue_Tires May 2015 #92

That' not MARPAT mwrguy May 2015 #99

Thanks...I knew it wasn't really MARPAT Blue_Tires May 2015 #152

"What in fuck's name kind of SWAT team is this?" EX500rider May 2015 #147

Texas is bad JuJu quadrature May 2015 #100

Clever Cover for Entrapment eringer May 2015 #101

right...and it wasn't like there was ANY precedent for violence at an event like this... brooklynite May 2015 #102

Some of these responses are f'in amazing. 7962 May 2015 #107

For fuck's sake, people should know what 'entrapment' is before using the word muriel_volestrangler May 2015 #115

So... would you consider an "art" show mocking Jesus "entrapment?" Adrahil May 2015 #121

Take this shit to the CT group where it belongs. eom. GGJohn May 2015 #123

"entrapment" does not mean what you think it means nt geek tragedy May 2015 #137

"She shouldn't have worn that short dress." Psephos May 2015 #151

If the gunmen didn't try to shoot the place up then there wouldn't be any bodies PersonNumber503602 May 2015 #161

Oddly enough she makes a valid point. Quantess May 2015 #116

So who paid for the venue? Thats a very expensive location to lease for an event. Sunlei May 2015 #128

So wonder what they hoped to prove? hollowdweller May 2015 #138

Trying perhaps to prove we still have Constitutional rights to free expression? n/t Psephos May 2015 #153

It was a response to the “Stand With the Prophet in Honor and Respect” event. Extropist May 2015 #157

Why would anyone need to counter an "honor and respect" event? cyberswede May 2015 #163

They're ignorant bigots. PersonNumber503602 May 2015 #164

Yep, basically because bigotry. Extropist May 2015 #166