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42. Pacific Palisades is a nice area. But still, left in the house, the guns could have been

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 06:12 AM

Jul 2015

stolen and used for some bad purpose. And then what would the heirs get?

Interesting case.

Many years ago I knew the wife of a man who hoarded and fantasized about guns. He was killed by one of his guns. Collecting guns can be very dangerous. Especially if you are prone to depression or violence. If you are prone to depression, you may in a low state kill yourself. And if you are prone to violence, you may either kill someone and have to pay the price for that, or be killed by someone you threaten.

Think before you buy and keep guns. Do you really need them? Why are you buying or collecting or keeping them? Do you hunt? Do you shoot for sport?

Of course, if someone is mentally ill . . . . . oh, well!

I'm nor opposed to gun ownership, but 1000 guns? That's an obsession no matter what the rationalization for it. This guy did not own those guns. The guns owned him.

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LAPD finds 1,200 guns, two tons of ammo in dead man's Pacific Palisades home [View all] Little Tich Jul 2015 OP

Sounds like someone like those seen on American Pickers pipoman Jul 2015 #1

This is where all these guns are that Obama 'inspired' gun nuttery to buy. onehandle Jul 2015 #2

Oh bullshit...this guy bought guns instead of pipoman Jul 2015 #5

Sounds like the fool believed all that Warpy Jul 2015 #9

Oh maybe he was that guy, equally as likely he was saving money pipoman Jul 2015 #18

Right, I'm willing to wait Warpy Jul 2015 #19

You can always barter with guns and liquor.Good retirement investment bjobotts Jul 2015 #28

New guns will always increase in value. Police did comment the handguns were better quality. Sunlei Jul 2015 #72

Maybe you're right, maybe not Reter Jul 2015 #20

Right, and my album collection, LPS and CDs Warpy Jul 2015 #21

"The tipping point approacheth." It's been 'approaching' for as long as I have been reading DU... friendly_iconoclast Jul 2015 #15

Wow.... Historic NY Jul 2015 #3

"Some were still wrapped in their boxes" - not uncommon when hoarding disorder is involved. n/t PoliticAverse Jul 2015 #4

Exactly Plucketeer Jul 2015 #12

"Some were still wrapped in their boxes" How many of these will find their way back to the street? mpcamb Jul 2015 #56

Although it may seem to be progress to destroy them by doing so you probably PoliticAverse Jul 2015 #58

"There's a reason audio CD producers ... prevent the sale of used CDs and computer software" mpcamb Jul 2015 #61

I don't understand- why did they take them? James48 Jul 2015 #6

To log the numbers and begin to trace them. Warpy Jul 2015 #11

I wondered the same thing. I believe in limited gun ownership, but I question this seizure. Nailzberg Jul 2015 #40

Pacific Palisades is a nice area. But still, left in the house, the guns could have been JDPriestly Jul 2015 #42

Decades Ago... cynzke Jul 2015 #45

Well, that was a shame (for the house, that is.) Squaredeal Jul 2015 #50

I get the safety argument, but I still have 4A issues with it. Nailzberg Jul 2015 #99

I don't know the law on this. If the police see what may be contraband, then they are in their JDPriestly Jul 2015 #100

This just keeps getting weirder. Nailzberg Jul 2015 #132

How strange. I wonder whether drug use was involved. It sounds so crazy. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #133

There is no Fourth Amendment issue here jberryhill Jul 2015 #147

Then it should be subject to probate or esate law, through the courts. Nailzberg Jul 2015 #148

Yes jberryhill Jul 2015 #149

The house is not unoccupied. The fiancee lives there. Nailzberg Jul 2015 #150

I think... jberryhill Jul 2015 #151

Well, yeah, knowing now what the cops knew then. Nailzberg Jul 2015 #152

I think it's pretty easy to make a public safety argument in this case. bluedigger Jul 2015 #71

Another responsible gun owner, with weapons unlocked for the taking. Hatred probably killed him. Hoyt Jul 2015 #7

"Hatred probably killed him." Nah, it was bad gun mana friendly_iconoclast Jul 2015 #16

Yours is a gun fancier's explanation. Hoyt Jul 2015 #31

My explanation is just as informed by fact as yours-which is to say, not at all... friendly_iconoclast Jul 2015 #37

The passive-aggressive voice is also typical of the gun-lover, as you can see. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #77

The overwrought appeal to emotion is also typical of the gun-hater, as we can see friendly_iconoclast Jul 2015 #110

wow, that is sick Duckhunter935 Jul 2015 #22

You are a gun fancier, you are unlikely to recognize what drives people to gunz. Hoyt Jul 2015 #29

Looks like "Gunz Madness" has replaced "Reefer Madness"... friendly_iconoclast Jul 2015 #38

Love it, lol Duckhunter935 Jul 2015 #43

Gun madness is actually serious. Hoyt Jul 2015 #47

Yeah, just like drapetomania... friendly_iconoclast Jul 2015 #108

Except gun love is largely an affliction of white folks. Hoyt Jul 2015 #112

That statement is either racist or an example of self-hatred friendly_iconoclast Jul 2015 #113

Majority of gun fanciers are racists. Ever been to a gun show or gun store. Mostly yahoos. Hoyt Jul 2015 #114

I rather doubt you are familiar with 40 million people friendly_iconoclast Jul 2015 #116

Palin is a gun lover too. She's very popular at gun gatherings because of her right wing Hoyt Jul 2015 #117

"Sorry, I know I am right..." No, you *believe* that you are right. friendly_iconoclast Jul 2015 #122

Well, you mentioned two people, both gun lovers and racists. Yahoos buy more gunz Hoyt Jul 2015 #124

That's two, all right. What about the other 79,999,998 US gun owners? friendly_iconoclast Jul 2015 #126

Majority are racists, especially "enthusiasts." Hoyt Jul 2015 #128

"Look it up." Look up "proof by repeated assertion"... friendly_iconoclast Jul 2015 #129

Then you might want to talk to your whistler162 Jul 2015 #135

I think Gun Madness is a problem for those who hoard them and can't walk down the street without Hoyt Jul 2015 #137

Anyone can 'think' any way they want- that does not mean said thoughts are facts friendly_iconoclast Jul 2015 #139

Only Reefer Madness was all lies. Elmer S. E. Dump Jul 2015 #60

Nobody "took" them ... JustABozoOnThisBus Jul 2015 #64

Trust cops to take away a ridiculous amount of firearms from a gun nut? No problem! When do Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #83

HARD CORE as usual Hoyt! You the gun man! snooper2 Jul 2015 #68

Gun lovers are sick, and here is the evidence. 320 million guns minus a few thousand is a good start. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #74

The ironing is delicious frylock Jul 2015 #75

Is "hatred" the new word for heat stroke? jmowreader Jul 2015 #105

That particular poster has a truthiness problem when it come to gun owners: friendly_iconoclast Jul 2015 #111

That happens to a lot of people. I hope he had a will or there will be a police auction soon. Sunlei Jul 2015 #118

It happened to some poor bastard at the Home Depot I worked at jmowreader Jul 2015 #121

Melt them as scrap metal Renew Deal Jul 2015 #8

They are part of his estate hack89 Jul 2015 #14

I guess rights and laws do not apply to some Duckhunter935 Jul 2015 #23

They should be handed out at the playground. Darb Jul 2015 #51

Guns are a serious matter hack89 Jul 2015 #54

Trying to keep that from happening is why the cops are holding them jmowreader Jul 2015 #115

that $47.83 will go real far snooper2 Jul 2015 #69

That's a bunch of $$$$$ madville Jul 2015 #10

Or more likely in California have to file a lawsuit pipoman Jul 2015 #30

Seems odd that he hasn't been identified, although they know his house and car petronius Jul 2015 #13

more than likely bad reporting as usual Duckhunter935 Jul 2015 #24

Most likely, they can't formally identify him w/o forensics... Princess Turandot Jul 2015 #36

teabagger Skittles Jul 2015 #17

My guess too, a paranoid one at that. Such gun love is sick. Hoyt Jul 2015 #32

Wow, now we have *two* telepsychologists! I know of a DU group where you'd fit right in: friendly_iconoclast Jul 2015 #39

They're just pointing out the obvious. Darb Jul 2015 #52

Yes, the obvious logic mentioning the danger of these unsecured guns is just more cause for rage for gun-lovers. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #78

"Obvious"? Yet another Friend of Fred (Colon) is heard from: friendly_iconoclast Jul 2015 #140

wtf ?? allan01 Jul 2015 #25

I wonder why they evuacted the neighborhood over this Travis_0004 Jul 2015 #26

Until they know what the house whistler162 Jul 2015 #136

Sounds like the NRA earned their paycheck with all the fear mongering and the lies that Obama Agnosticsherbet Jul 2015 #27

"Coroner's officials said Monday evening that the man had not yet been identified and that they jtuck004 Jul 2015 #33

Sounds like a Viet Nam war vet friend's house. He really with his PTSD by buying and storing uppityperson Jul 2015 #34

Just another good guy with a gun. Guns. Armory. nt valerief Jul 2015 #35

And yet, gonna go out on limb here, not a single one of his guns has been used illegally Telcontar Jul 2015 #41

Fortunately he died before he wigged out. Darb Jul 2015 #53

And drunk drivers are law abiding citizens Telcontar Jul 2015 #57

Equating drunk drivers with mass murderers? Elmer S. E. Dump Jul 2015 #62

Yep. When 99% of one's posts are in the NRA support group, the passive-aggressiveness of these folk is well understood. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #85

Just like hanging out with Rush and FoxNews every day. Elmer S. E. Dump Jul 2015 #87

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #91

Quelle surprise! The itchy trigger finger of gun lovers defending the NRA is also itchy on misleading alerts at DU. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #92

Hunh, interesting Telcontar Jul 2015 #95

I have a favorite group? Telcontar Jul 2015 #96

Gun Control & RKBA Elmer S. E. Dump Jul 2015 #97

I dont remember pressing any buttons Telcontar Jul 2015 #98

number of posts and where Duckhunter935 Jul 2015 #101

Hunh, I made three posts Telcontar Jul 2015 #102

Click on your profile icon Elmer S. E. Dump Jul 2015 #103

Not yet....crimes waiting to happen...what a relief these death sticks are safely away from other Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #84

Don't be so sure- his heirs may have title... friendly_iconoclast Jul 2015 #109

why were so many 'elite police' 'searching', 'counting,' & taking away a persons possessions? Sunlei Jul 2015 #44

Most people don't hoard weapons. Not your average hoarder, that's for sure. Elmer S. E. Dump Jul 2015 #63

No, not average JustABozoOnThisBus Jul 2015 #65

His investments strewn all around the house? Elmer S. E. Dump Jul 2015 #66

he probaby didn't plan to die in his car and left his 'investments' laying around his house. Sunlei Jul 2015 #73

Gun hoarding is an investment, some say - like nuclear missiles are investments! Guns as investments? That made me laugh. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #86

They appreciate in value. Sunlei Jul 2015 #120

Guns or nuclear missiles? Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #127

bet the 20? police 'searching' a wealthy dead mans home didn't record the 'search.' Sunlei Jul 2015 #67

Only for the dead hoarders with enough guns to arm an infantry battalion do they do this jmowreader Jul 2015 #119

Hey, you might need them some day. nt bemildred Jul 2015 #46

neighbors said the man claimed to be affiliated with the CIA and the military. Ichingcarpenter Jul 2015 #48

What "red flags"? pipoman Jul 2015 #55

Did the CIA supply cocaine to the innercity? yes Ichingcarpenter Jul 2015 #59

a gun a day for 3 years,what if he collected guns for 20 years? Are there any laws against quantity? Sunlei Jul 2015 #70

Good point. Because there should be a law against quantities of firearms. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #79

Especially with 1200, at some point you're going to realize what a fool you've been and try to sell Elmer S. E. Dump Jul 2015 #88

"I just fuckin' shot myself." Who's gonna be the first to post it? (I prefer the musical) Hoppy Jul 2015 #49

Researchers at Duke and Harvard conducted research... luvspeas Jul 2015 #76

I think it really emboldens them. They know if it goes too far - they have a gun. Elmer S. E. Dump Jul 2015 #89

One thousand, two hundred guns and two tons of ammo. crim son Jul 2015 #80

Are you saying that perhaps sarisataka Jul 2015 #90

He's saying that perhaps jmowreader Jul 2015 #123

*One* gun in the wrong hands can be dangerous. 1,200 in the hands of the law abiding... friendly_iconoclast Jul 2015 #130

And if the law abiding get burglarized? jmowreader Jul 2015 #131

What about it? friendly_iconoclast Jul 2015 #141

Three things jmowreader Jul 2015 #142

I wonder why the poster sarisataka Jul 2015 #138

Don't call it an "arsenal." It'll upset our resident Gun Enthusiasts. (nt) Paladin Jul 2015 #81

Eh. They're probably still looking for next of kin, and that's why he hasn't been identified yet. Calista241 Jul 2015 #82

How is this legal? It's blatant theft. Taitertots Jul 2015 #93

Well...it WOULD have been blatant theft if they would have left them in an abandoned house jmowreader Jul 2015 #125

Oh, so you think the police should break the law any time they think it might prevent a crime Taitertots Jul 2015 #134

Let's hope they get rehomed to loving caring new owners. ileus Jul 2015 #94

READ THIS FOR HIGH WEIRDNESS PufPuf23 Jul 2015 #104

sounds like a TV plot irisblue Jul 2015 #106

CIS LA worthy, yep. PufPuf23 Jul 2015 #107

"The body went unnoticed for two weeks in the summer heat, decomposing inside an SUV..." New link Hekate Jul 2015 #143

Check out today's Daily Mail article for weird. PufPuf23 Jul 2015 #144

6 1/2 tons of ammo. And some people upthread persistently wondered why the cops "stole" all that Hekate Jul 2015 #145

I ignore all the gun discussion at DU as valueless and unamusing. This story is a curiousity. PufPuf23 Jul 2015 #146