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In reply to the discussion: Muslim flight attendant suspended for not serving alcohol [View all]rocktivity
(44,577 posts)12. She should be grateful she hasn't been fired.
Last edited Sat Dec 5, 2015, 12:07 PM - Edit history (3)
What if she's the only attendant available for a one-attendant flight?
It amounts to forcing her religious views upon others, just like Kim Davis.
Maybe she can be transferred to another department, like the ground crew.
rocktivity
ON EDIT: She wasn't a Muslim when she was hired. And she didn't find out she wasn't supposed to serve liquor until two months ago:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1201352
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Why should another attendent have to take on extra duties with no increase in pay?
NutmegYankee
Sep 2015
#1
Fundie flight attendant complains and the Fundie airline bosses go with the Fundie whining?
Fred Sanders
Sep 2015
#3
A little unfair to label her a fundie, no? EDIT: Misread Fred's, but leaving up.
DRoseDARs
Sep 2015
#14
I was talking about the employee that complained about the one asking for a religious accommodation.
Fred Sanders
Sep 2015
#15
I owe you an apology. Misread your post. A lot of anti-Muslim piling-on in this thread.
DRoseDARs
Sep 2015
#22
Yes...blissful ignorance is rampant about the law and the false equivalency to the elected public official.
Fred Sanders
Sep 2015
#23
Exactly. No one was complaining except this one fundamentalist Christian weaned on Fox no doubt.
Fred Sanders
Sep 2015
#27
DRoseDars deserves the credit, his sticking to the principle of law is the winning argument.
Fred Sanders
Sep 2015
#104
I deserve no credit, silly, but t/y. To think, I got involved because I was dumb...
DRoseDARs
Sep 2015
#109
I realize accusing others of being right wingers is a lot easier than accepting that others have...
FrodosPet
Sep 2015
#156
"Reasonable religious accomodation" is a technical legal term...if you are familiar with it you
Fred Sanders
Sep 2015
#155
She can't do her job--she is required to serve on single FA flights and she can't do that.
MADem
Sep 2015
#112
"Muslims owning convenience stores have no problem selling beer and wine....", so....what? Is it because all those
Fred Sanders
Sep 2015
#117
You are being strangely outraged over a minor legal dispute! And challenge.... you? Why?
Fred Sanders
Sep 2015
#133
Why are you talking about ME? What makes you do that? You do know it's rude, don't you?
MADem
Sep 2015
#135
Religious accommodation laws have been working fairly well for decades...it is the law.
Fred Sanders
Sep 2015
#18
Who would then serve the alcohol on single attendant flights. 60% of this airline's?
whatthehey
Sep 2015
#26
Would you have been as even handed in your response if the woman was not muslim?
tymorial
Sep 2015
#28
Reasonable accommodation is reasonable accommodation, no matter the religion.....I guess the courts will sort it out.
Fred Sanders
Sep 2015
#31
One kid I hired had rods in his spine, couldn't lift weight beyond X amount...
DRoseDARs
Sep 2015
#37
Reasonable accommodation requires minimal burden on the operations of the employer's business
NutmegYankee
Sep 2015
#52
Their complaint specifically points out her "foreign writings" and her headscarf...
DRoseDARs
Sep 2015
#63
So you're accusing her lawyer of lying when they mention specifics out of it?
DRoseDARs
Sep 2015
#86
Fred, every lawyer will file a motion to dismiss, no matter what the odds.
NutmegYankee
Sep 2015
#102
No. Every lawyer without a conscience and a client loaded with money, will. And will fail, almost
Fred Sanders
Sep 2015
#105
That might be true, but there's also the "foreign writings and her headscarf"...
DRoseDARs
Sep 2015
#80
Which means nothing if the company found she was subjecting others to more than minimal burden.
NutmegYankee
Sep 2015
#84
Like I said, law school is three years for a reason.... I am glad folks are understanding the
Fred Sanders
Sep 2015
#164
Yes, the principal of law is exactly the same and the principle will be exactly applied, within reason.
Fred Sanders
Sep 2015
#33
Absolutely, if you can't do your job because of religious restrictions, then you
smirkymonkey
Sep 2015
#47
Agree and if her faith is incompatible with job requirements, then she should have quit. n/t
sarge43
Sep 2015
#45
This airline has 5 types of aircraft, 3 of which use a single attendant, 2 of which use 2 attendants
Bluenorthwest
Sep 2015
#9
Interesting....I would appreciate evidence of that...could be useful for a lawyer in court when
Fred Sanders
Sep 2015
#36
Excellent point! Workplace accommodations are made for mental disabilities as well, I suppose
Fred Sanders
Sep 2015
#41
I don't think the words "reasonable accommodation" mean what you think they mean.
DRoseDARs
Sep 2015
#50
There is a reason law school is 3 years specialized education, after a primary degree.
Fred Sanders
Sep 2015
#88
You have the correct understanding of employment law and what the legal principle is, and what "relgious accommodation" means,
Fred Sanders
Sep 2015
#94
"reasonable accommodation" is indeed the watchword--it's often tossed out the window
MisterP
Sep 2015
#114
Serving alcohol on occasion inflight is certainly a vital duty she objects to doing ...so she should be fired??
Fred Sanders
Sep 2015
#21
What is going to happen is that employers are going to stop hiring the religious
smirkymonkey
Sep 2015
#51
You are raining down logic and law on deaf ears....anyone wondering why the RW and their media
Fred Sanders
Sep 2015
#92
Alcohol /= Pork. It's serving/consuming alcohol that's banned, not touching it.
DRoseDARs
Sep 2015
#44
And again, the employer made the call to accommodate and she agreed to their offer.
DRoseDARs
Sep 2015
#73
As an employer, I've made RAs for religious requests and physical disabilities.
DRoseDARs
Sep 2015
#89
sorry, I can't serve christians, women without head covering, or go into airports with bars nt
msongs
Sep 2015
#48
To get religious accommodation you have to prove that it is an accepted belief.
former9thward
Sep 2015
#64
Might not work, because of the possibility of the baggage containing alcohol (nt)
Nye Bevan
Sep 2015
#106
Also where is Ted Cruz? Clearly religious accommodation has gone too far!! The RW quiet is deafening.
Fred Sanders
Sep 2015
#90
Pretty insane, hypocritical, illogical and unable to make intellectual distinctions, as the RW always is.
Fred Sanders
Sep 2015
#118
I think there's an opening for a county clerk in Kentucky. She might be interested in that.
valerief
Sep 2015
#76
If she is only regulated to flights that have more than one flight attendant
itsrobert
Sep 2015
#111
Given the problem Airlines have had with Alcohol WHY are they permitting alcohol at all?
happyslug
Sep 2015
#121
"but since you can NOT smoke of planes, why are people permitted to DRINK on planes?"
Elmer S. E. Dump
Sep 2015
#138
So when a plane crashes or have to land early due to a drunk, that is NOT a problem?
happyslug
Sep 2015
#139
I'll have them contact you next time they fly, for a lesson in slug-flying.
Elmer S. E. Dump
Sep 2015
#145
The same standards apply as in the Kentucky case: She has a Constitutional right to refuse to serve
24601
Sep 2015
#136
Her attorney characterizes it as her employer did agree. That's why we have juries, to decide the
24601
Sep 2015
#143
I get that she can't drink it, but why force passengers to adhere to her religious nonsense?
alarimer
Sep 2015
#147
"Facts About Religious Discrimination" from the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission
FrodosPet
Sep 2015
#162
Perfectly OK with me. Trying to stick her coworkers with extra work, with religion
TwilightGardener
Sep 2015
#158