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leveymg

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36. CIA, the Seven Sisters, the major TV networks certainly did make an example of Carter.
Thu Oct 1, 2015, 02:37 PM
Oct 2015

Last edited Fri Oct 2, 2015, 07:56 AM - Edit history (1)

I remember the "Iran oil shortage" which was neither. At the time, the Energy Dept. showed available crude oil supplies in storage inside the US during the "crisis" greater than at any time in a three year period.

The long lines at the pump was actually a shutdown of domestic refineries and intermediary gasoline distributors withholding product from the retail market. The Networks also did their part by creating a consumer panic. Gasoline prices doubled and tripled. Indeed, the price shock at the pump drove US consumption down sharply. After initial panic buying spurred by a perception of shortage, crude oil imports plummeted from a peak of 9m bbl/day in 1977 to a low of 5 m bbl/day in 1982.

The Saudis took the opportunity after 1981 by reducing production to maintain high spot market prices. Saudi oil production steadily increased after 1974 reaching a ten year peak in 1981 of 10m bbl/day, but production plunged dropping to a bottom in 1985 of a mere 4 m bbl/day in, rising again thereafter, finally recovering its previous high in 1993. https://books.google.com/books?id=w9qF5xuVA74C&pg=PA95&lpg=PA95&dq=Saudi+oil+production+1979-81&source=bl&ots=UsNpTDwfHK&sig=IdGJibbu2qlKUwWV7hjYd2ukZ1w&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CB8Q6AEwAWoVChMIg5Xg6fGhyAIVRNk-Ch3mJwAX#v=onepage&q=Saudi%20oil%20production%201979-81&f=false

But, that is not the conventional story, which blames high prices on the Iranian revolution. The political narrative pinned the resulting price spike on Carter.

Later Saudi cuts in production matched those in Iran during the revolution taking a further plunge after Iraq and Iran restored some production in 1982, but by then world prices had tripled. The Saudis ended up making more by exporting less.


http://www.wtrg.com/prices.htm
The Iranian revolution was the proximate cause of the highest price in post-WWII history. However, revolution's impact on prices would have been limited and of relatively short duration had it not been for subsequent events. In fact, shortly after the revolution, Iranian production was up to four million barrels per day.

In September 1980, Iran already weakened by the revolution was invaded by Iraq. By November, the combined production of both countries was only a million barrels per day. It was down 6.5 million barrels per day from a year before. As a consequence, worldwide crude oil production was 10 percent lower than in 1979.

The loss of production from the combined effects of the Iranian revolution and the Iraq-Iran War caused crude oil prices to more than double. The nominal price went from $14 in 1978 to $35 per barrel in 1981.
Dang, Pootman! Comrade Grumpy Sep 2015 #1
I happen to have it on first-hand knowledge that he wrestled a bear once! Elmer S. E. Dump Sep 2015 #13
yep 6chars Sep 2015 #2
"the US post-Bush has pretty much made the strategic choice to withdraw from the middle east, geek tragedy Sep 2015 #8
That's a little harsh. Oneironaut Sep 2015 #14
the person is claiming that Obama is encouraging Iran and Russia to gain power geek tragedy Sep 2015 #15
The question for me is...why shouldn't we? Chan790 Oct 2015 #46
There was no withdrawal. The strategic mistake was as in Afghanistan, regime change by Saudi proxy leveymg Oct 2015 #28
I don't know that we gave the oil sheikhdoms a green light so much geek tragedy Oct 2015 #29
There's a whole range of things we could do about, if we wanted to, starting with leveymg Oct 2015 #31
the retaliation that would engender is too much for any president to risk geek tragedy Oct 2015 #33
CIA, the Seven Sisters, the major TV networks certainly did make an example of Carter. leveymg Oct 2015 #36
Usually I'm the cynic... Chan790 Oct 2015 #47
Hopefully it doesn't come down to it. BlueEye Sep 2015 #3
I agree; Israel would easily top Russian pilots 7962 Sep 2015 #4
YAY ISRAEL!!! nyabingi Sep 2015 #6
The Israelis have more to fear from Russian SAM systems. nt geek tragedy Sep 2015 #7
The Russians have moved the S-300 into Syria, yes. BlueEye Sep 2015 #9
Yes the Israeli IDF kept the 175mm Gun for decades for use against AA batteries happyslug Sep 2015 #17
I didn't know that, wow! BlueEye Sep 2015 #19
Sometimes "Obsolete" Technology comes back happyslug Oct 2015 #34
The Russians have their own counterbattery capabilities. Israel can't just lob shells now. leveymg Oct 2015 #39
Too easy Jesus Malverde Sep 2015 #21
Speaking of hair-triggers, one should avoid combat between nuclear-armed states. leveymg Oct 2015 #32
Israel wants to keep its ability nyabingi Sep 2015 #5
Hey, if your neighbors plot for your destruction & lob rockets at you, you can flatten them. 7962 Sep 2015 #10
Nelson Mandela was labeled a terrorist nyabingi Oct 2015 #25
The Palestinians got in bed with the terrorists, Israel will continue to defeat them. 7962 Oct 2015 #37
Israel has made peace with some of its Arab neighbors nyabingi Oct 2015 #40
They also "already had" a large part of Jordan. Why arent they included? 7962 Oct 2015 #41
Well Israel wouldn't just resort to outright genocide... nyabingi Oct 2015 #48
If you think the Israelis have said worse than the Arabs, you're beyond reality 7962 Oct 2015 #49
So much bullshit in so little words. GGJohn Sep 2015 #22
+1 King_David Sep 2015 #24
Good luck with getting thinking people leftynyc Oct 2015 #44
The Israelis have been warned by Putin to leave Iranian and Hezbollah interests alone. roamer65 Sep 2015 #11
Russia's Air Forces have been upgraded The Traveler Sep 2015 #12
I don't think the Russian Air Force really scares the Pentagon. Massacure Sep 2015 #20
The F-22 is considered only marginally better then the F-15 happyslug Oct 2015 #35
Dont forget the pilots. Another big advantage. 7962 Oct 2015 #38
The Russians have been improving their Air Force since Putin took over in 2000 happyslug Oct 2015 #42
I think the Russians disagree, as does war-is-boring leveymg Oct 2015 #43
Russia’s Syria gambit bemildred Sep 2015 #16
They should send in the DRONES ReactFlux Sep 2015 #18
If that happens, let them duke it out Reter Sep 2015 #23
It puzzles me when leftynyc Oct 2015 #45
If Afghanistan is any indicator, I think Russia will have more concerns than Israel in Syria. still_one Oct 2015 #26
maybe russia should hire republicans to put up a border wall to keep IS out of russia Sunlei Oct 2015 #27
There is not going to be a Middle East left. leftyladyfrommo Oct 2015 #30
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