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mahatmakanejeeves

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42. What percentage of the population of hot dogs is for vegetarians?
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 10:07 AM
Oct 2015

Last edited Tue Oct 27, 2015, 11:27 AM - Edit history (3)

That information is missing, certainly from the USA Today McStory. Is it 1%? 2%? 3%?

Let's say the samplers went out and bought 3,000 packages of hot dogs. What we have been told is that 2% of those 3,000 packages contained human DNA. That's 60 packages. Of those 60 packages, 40 were vegetarian products.

What I do not know is if vegetarian products are overrepresented in the contaminated group, underrepresented in the contaminated group, or on a par in the contaminated group. If you went out and bought 3,000 packages of hot dogs at random, how many of those would be vegetarian products?

Are vegetarian hot dogs more likely to contain human DNA than regular hot dogs, less likely to contain human DNA than regular hot dogs, or as likely to contain human DNA than regular hot dogs?

Let's say vegetarian hot dogs are 5% of the market. I don't know; I'm just making up numbers. Of the 3,000 packages of hot dogs the samplers buy, 5%, or 150, are vegetarian, and 95%, or 2,850, are regular. The testing finds 2% of the total population, or 60, are contaminated. 40 of those are vegetarian, and 20 are regular. In terms of percent, 40 out of 150 packages of vegetarian hotdogs, or 27% of them, are contaminated. 20 out of 2,850 packages of regular hot dogs, or 0.7%, are contaminated. That would make vegetarian hot dogs 38 times as likely as regular hot dogs to be contaminated.

Did I do that right? Outraged statisticians, please feel free to point out my errors (beyond the obvious one, pretending to be a statistician).

I doubt that vegetarian hot dogs constitute as much as 5% of the market. Juggle the assumptions around, and the numbers change.

Also, are the results being skewed by false positives? I recall the paradox of false positives on drug tests. Give me a few minutes, and I'll find an account. Here we go:

False positive paradox

The false positive paradox is a statistical result where false positive tests are more probable than true positive tests, occurring when the overall population has a low incidence of a condition and the incidence rate is lower than the false positive rate. The probability of a positive test result is determined not only by the accuracy of the test but by the characteristics of the sampled population. When the incidence, the proportion of those who have a given condition, is lower than the test's false positive rate, even tests that have a very low chance of giving a false positive in an individual case will give more false than true positives overall. So, in a society with very few infected people—fewer proportionately than the test gives false positives—there will actually be more who test positive for a disease incorrectly and don't have it than those who test positive accurately and do. The paradox has surprised many.
They've found Jimmy Hoffa. roamer65 Oct 2015 #1
Just little bits that were stuck to the Meat Grinder PeoViejo Oct 2015 #23
woah woah woah uawchild Oct 2015 #2
Deadwood Brand Ham central scrutinizer Oct 2015 #19
That's just gross! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2015 #52
Coming soon..... Liberalagogo Oct 2015 #3
well maybe they mixed up PatrynXX Oct 2015 #4
Then don't eat them. We are in control of what we eat. upaloopa Oct 2015 #5
"It’s not clear what the source of the human DNA might be" MowCowWhoHow III Oct 2015 #6
That was my first thought. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #8
LOL! nt m-lekktor Oct 2015 #9
nah. meat cutters lose lots of fingers on the job. riversedge Oct 2015 #10
All it takes is one disgruntled employee. I heard a story of chewing tobacco worker, Auggie Oct 2015 #13
It's a fact that a chemical that makes poop stinky is used to flavor icecream. frizzled Oct 2015 #24
Yuck. roamer65 Oct 2015 #54
Funniest moment in movie history? One of em anyways randys1 Oct 2015 #26
whats the movie?...nt Jesus Malverde Oct 2015 #32
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0129387/ randys1 Oct 2015 #44
Thanks...nt Jesus Malverde Oct 2015 #49
Now jizz wait a minute... nt Xipe Totec Oct 2015 #34
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA montanacowboy Oct 2015 #7
it's the veggie dogs which were more likely to have human dna JI7 Oct 2015 #20
? Skittles Oct 2015 #28
So am I but - apparently LiberalElite Oct 2015 #33
"Hot dogs are considered one of the most American foods" ToxMarz Oct 2015 #11
Frankfurters, Wieners -- can't get more American than that ! eppur_se_muova Oct 2015 #12
Tacos. Oh, wait... Xipe Totec Oct 2015 #35
USA Today is reporting this wrong. drm604 Oct 2015 #14
good catch. Most wouldnt make that connection. nt 7962 Oct 2015 #16
YAY! Someone who understands and can read statistics!! DeadLetterOffice Oct 2015 #29
I think the blog is the one that got it wrong Enrique Oct 2015 #31
Well that's less interesting if you want click bait. nt IronLionZion Oct 2015 #37
What percentage of the population of hot dogs is for vegetarians? mahatmakanejeeves Oct 2015 #42
What, you've got something against "snouts"? nt 7962 Oct 2015 #15
Human DNA in Pigs killerbean Oct 2015 #17
like the DNA tests. I think all foods should be tested for label truth & contaminates Sunlei Oct 2015 #18
Cannibalism........... Historic NY Oct 2015 #21
I thought all vegetarian hot dogs contained vegetarians. frizzled Oct 2015 #22
Yum! bigwillq Oct 2015 #25
Could a Yelp review be the source of the DNA? Kilgore Oct 2015 #27
It was to be expected. I mean, there is an acceptable level of insects in flour. 4lbs Oct 2015 #30
And grubs in butter... More things we don't want to know about... Nt JudyM Oct 2015 #38
True, but anything that is processed on any level, whether its in a flour mill... Humanist_Activist Oct 2015 #40
True. They said 66% contain human DNA but they don't say what amount. 4lbs Oct 2015 #48
Pretty much, I mean, I would like for them to practice good hygene and typical... Humanist_Activist Oct 2015 #55
This message was self-deleted by its author mainer Oct 2015 #36
! Kali Oct 2015 #39
Hot dogs are delicous. GOLGO 13 Oct 2015 #41
big deal? youceyec Oct 2015 #43
And what of Girl Scout Cookies? ChairmanAgnostic Oct 2015 #45
Humans shed a surprising amount of particulates, many containing human genetic material. hunter Oct 2015 #46
CONFIRMED: Vegetarians are Actually Cannibals nt ;) Adrahil Oct 2015 #47
Which mean we are more closely related to hot dogs then to chimps. Kaleva Oct 2015 #50
SOYLENT GREEN! leftofcool Oct 2015 #51
Hebrew National MosheFeingold Oct 2015 #53
Another start-up aiming to make money by scaring people. Hmm. HuckleB Nov 2015 #56
Thank you for providing those links. NT mahatmakanejeeves Nov 2015 #58
It's a cookbook! cyberswede Nov 2015 #57
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