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43. Are you and Blue Tires sitting in the same room?

Wed Feb 3, 2016, 01:37 PM

Feb 2016

He just made this same Red Herring argument about Prism.

But, just to play along, how exactly do you know what PRISM is? Since it is a top secret program, only a whistleblower like Snowden or the government itself could choose to talk about it. Is the government claiming it is merely a secured data transmitting program, or do you have independent evidence? And if it is just an innocuous program akin to encrypted communications protocols, why the fuck does the government care so much?

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Secret US flight flew over Scottish airspace to capture Snowden [View all] bananas Feb 2016 OP

I wish we could suspend DOD spending and 'homeland security' spending , a couple years. Sunlei Feb 2016 #1

So what's the big shock here? Blue_Tires Feb 2016 #2

I think the "shock" is that our government give FAR LESS respect to whistleblowers... cascadiance Feb 2016 #4

The jury is still out on his "whistleblower" status Blue_Tires Feb 2016 #10

PRISM had nothing to do with personal privacy or civil liberties? Are you serious? nt retrowire Feb 2016 #19

The authoritarians come out in full force any time you mention "Snowden" hueymahl Feb 2016 #31

Wrong. The NSA has never been infallible. randome Feb 2016 #35

Wow, it is truly like a dog whistle hueymahl Feb 2016 #37

Don't think I ever had another avatar. randome Feb 2016 #40

Are you and Blue Tires sitting in the same room? hueymahl Feb 2016 #43

Who said the government cares? Snowden has been a nuisance, nothing more. randome Feb 2016 #45

PRISM is a secure means of transmitting data. randome Feb 2016 #33

.... retrowire Feb 2016 #42

And also their usual think4yourself Feb 2016 #44

Communications that they have authorization to collect. randome Feb 2016 #46

uh huh retrowire Feb 2016 #48

Conjecture, not evidence of anything. randome Feb 2016 #50

How is it far fetched to believe that a telecommunications employee would be retrowire Feb 2016 #54

'A' telecommunications employee, no. But ALL of them? randome Feb 2016 #55

Wow, and I though I'd heard every spin LiberalLovinLug Feb 2016 #56

Oh, so this whole charade was just to catch Clapper in a lie? Blue_Tires Feb 2016 #62

Um...no LiberalLovinLug Feb 2016 #70

Greenwald didn't win a Pulitzer Blue_Tires Feb 2016 #71

What exactly have you not been proven wrong about? LiberalLovinLug Feb 2016 #80

"What exactly have you not been proven wrong about?" Blue_Tires Feb 2016 #84

I checked out your OP there LiberalLovinLug Feb 2016 #85

I've pointed out multiple inconsistencies in Snowden's official story Blue_Tires Feb 2016 #86

Oh my LiberalLovinLug Feb 2016 #88

FWIW, I give less than a fuck who calls me what... Blue_Tires Feb 2016 #89

This is going in circles LiberalLovinLug Feb 2016 #90

Once again: Blue_Tires Feb 2016 #91

Whooooooooosh LiberalLovinLug Feb 2016 #93

Just can't leave it alone, can you? Blue_Tires Feb 2016 #94

The jury was never convened because the gov't didn't indict itself. Big surprise. leveymg Feb 2016 #77

Proof that our government is illegally spying on us has nothing to do with personal privacy or civil trillion Feb 2016 #95

There isn't one. davidthegnome Feb 2016 #5

Ah, yes... the part where I point out for the millionth time Blue_Tires Feb 2016 #12

To an extent. davidthegnome Feb 2016 #18

Correction -- He didn't flee to Russia, he defected Blue_Tires Feb 2016 #22

Bullshit. He got stuck in Russia when his passport was revoked. jhart3333 Feb 2016 #23

So Assange telling Snowden to go to Russia was bullshit? Blue_Tires Feb 2016 #28

If Snowden had stayed in any US-friendly state, i.e. followers of the hegemonic leader, OnyxCollie Feb 2016 #30

He didn't defect. OnyxCollie Feb 2016 #24

I can't prove he's not. davidthegnome Feb 2016 #25

So as far as you're concerned, the end justifies the means? Blue_Tires Feb 2016 #29

"(narrowly)" OnyxCollie Feb 2016 #32

So as far as you're concerned, the end justifies the means? OnyxCollie Feb 2016 #39

Some times it does. davidthegnome Feb 2016 #59

Fair enough, good points Blue_Tires Feb 2016 #66

The NSA is forbidden by law from spying domestically. randome Feb 2016 #38

. . . without a FISA warrant. But, they did that and do that, anyway. leveymg Feb 2016 #78

They collected with strict rules about not even looking unless with a warrant. randome Feb 2016 #79

The NSA docs leaked showed that NSA was not following the "strict rules" then in place regarding leveymg Feb 2016 #81

So what? They used every loophole they could find. Was anyone harmed by this? randome Feb 2016 #82

Is anyone harmed when the gov't universally spies on its citizens, profiles them, and retains their leveymg Feb 2016 #83

Too bad that your correction is obvious misinformation as usual. n/t xocet Feb 2016 #41

Oh? So straighten it out for me then, smart guy Blue_Tires Feb 2016 #63

It is what is always has been which is not consistent with what you would like to advertise it as. xocet Feb 2016 #69

It's not consistent, period Blue_Tires Feb 2016 #72

There's no shock navarth Feb 2016 #6

Yep salib Feb 2016 #7

There are more than I'm comfortable with Broward Feb 2016 #14

Don't hold back... Blue_Tires Feb 2016 #15

Prove Snowden is a tool of Putin. OnyxCollie Feb 2016 #20

It should be noted that you cannot respond to OnyxCollie's comment; your shifting misinformation... xocet Feb 2016 #75

No shit. Authoritarians and other things. Enthusiast Feb 2016 #27

Yep. hueymahl Feb 2016 #34

So we sent our magical flying torture bus out to nab someone, JoeyT Feb 2016 #47

Allegedly... Blue_Tires Feb 2016 #65

Actually all of DU was foaming at the mouth over kidnapping and torture JoeyT Feb 2016 #67

You're being revisionist as hell and you know it... Blue_Tires Feb 2016 #74

The Big shock Bad Dog Feb 2016 #53

Just like how he faced harsh questioning Blue_Tires Feb 2016 #64

Protect Moscow's interests Bad Dog Feb 2016 #68

I prefer true fiction... Blue_Tires Feb 2016 #73

The fact that the programs Snowden revealed were illegal is important. He's a whistleblower not a leveymg Feb 2016 #76

Foreign powers homegirl Feb 2016 #3

Of course the UK is complicit... Helen Borg Feb 2016 #8

hmmm.... Ironing Man Feb 2016 #9

It's not about the act itself harun Feb 2016 #11

+1000. nt. polly7 Feb 2016 #13

I'll just leave this here and see myself out Blue_Tires Feb 2016 #16

Isn't Julian Assange Still Holed Up gordyfl Feb 2016 #17

And Sweden. And Australia. randome Feb 2016 #36

Traitors. Octafish Feb 2016 #21

Octafish, some new documents have been released in Denmark bananas Feb 2016 #58

Money. It trumps peace. Octafish Feb 2016 #60

Missed that thread - thanks. nt bananas Feb 2016 #61

Golly gee whillikers. malthaussen Feb 2016 #26

New documents have been released with new details bananas Feb 2016 #57

K&R nt Duval Feb 2016 #49

Well, did they capture him? nt thereismore Feb 2016 #51

A plane flew over Scotland the following day, too! And yesterday, too! randome Feb 2016 #52

Copenhagen extradition plan of Snowden confirmed! TomVilmer Feb 2016 #87

this story made me think of a classic DU thread Enrique Feb 2016 #92