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LiberalLovinLug

(14,735 posts)
85. I checked out your OP there
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 10:53 PM
Feb 2016

First off, you do not ask anything that can be proven by anyone here on a message board. its mostly cherrypicking parts of his story and asking for posters to confirm your paranoia that something smells fishy. And all of it is non consequential to the meat of the whole story.

ie...What happened during 11 days in Hong Kong?. Ah....probably hiding out and not wanting to be visible.

Or How did his "scrawny ass" girlfriend come and go as she pleased to Moscow? Ah...probably because she is not accused of anything by either country.

He lied on an application to get a job. OMG! Shoot him.

What kind of job is he doing while in Russia?....He says it is web based. Why should YOU have to know exactly what other than to calm your twitchy paranoid brain? Maybe he has a job with Wikileaks, that is his business.

Why is Putin letting him stay? Because he is an embarrassment to Washington the longer he is allowed to be a public figure and criticize his own country. Same reason he lets RT, who you used in a link, in the US have free reign to talk all the shit they can about the US and other Western countries corporate bad behaviours, but you don't hear any criticism of Putin. (And I'm ok with that because otherwise you'd never hear a lot of those other stories from hosts like Thom Hartmann. there are plenty of US places to read how evil Putin is)

There is nothing to "prove" you right. Mostly because it is all conjecture on your part. All you have done is pieced together some dire James Bond movie in your head. We are not ever going to prove your delusional paranoid opinions that ....what? I don't even know..Snowden is really Doctor Evil? He is working closely with Putin to infiltrate the Pentagon computers? He is not even close to having that capability. He took that information on the servers, he didn't take some top secret skeleton key to unlock all future passcodes.


Anyways, this is kind of aimless. But I have some time before my hockey game starts.

You continue to ignore the overwhelming relevance of the actual story. The revelations of PRISM and how the NSA was mass collecting private information from Americans for years without proper oversight. And that Clapper had to return to Congress with his tail between his legs and admit he lied about it IS significant. (And he should have been charged with lying to Congress) And how Snowden singlehandedly forced a public conversation to happen about what is the proper balance between intrusion into citizens privacy, and national security.

All those other questions are superfluous.

You want to know why so many on here don't take you seriously? Take another whistleblower, Jeffrey Wigand who squealed on the tobacco industry hiding harmful results in tests. THAT is the story.
If after his shocking revelations came out, someone like you was on the message boards with a whole bunch of questions like:

In this story an interesting paragraph;
http://www.vanityfair.com/magazine/1996/05/wigand199605

He was sent briefly to Vietnam, he told me, although he brushed off the experience: “It was 1963, and nothing was going on.” I wondered at the defensive tone in his voice. Later B&W would challenge whether he had been in Vietnam at all. (According to one investigator, he was there for about a month.)

So let me ask you: Why was Wigand really there? Why did he just say "nothing was going on?" and why do some like B&W question whether he was even there?

So far I have not heard anyone answer these questions. So until someone does, its obvious that Wigand is just an arrogant attention seeker. He got his big movie deal which was all he was after. Dammit I'm going to go out and buy a pack of cigs just to show em!

There is a saying. "Too clever for your own good". But have fun.

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I wish we could suspend DOD spending and 'homeland security' spending , a couple years. Sunlei Feb 2016 #1
So what's the big shock here? Blue_Tires Feb 2016 #2
I think the "shock" is that our government give FAR LESS respect to whistleblowers... cascadiance Feb 2016 #4
The jury is still out on his "whistleblower" status Blue_Tires Feb 2016 #10
PRISM had nothing to do with personal privacy or civil liberties? Are you serious? nt retrowire Feb 2016 #19
The authoritarians come out in full force any time you mention "Snowden" hueymahl Feb 2016 #31
Wrong. The NSA has never been infallible. randome Feb 2016 #35
Wow, it is truly like a dog whistle hueymahl Feb 2016 #37
Don't think I ever had another avatar. randome Feb 2016 #40
Are you and Blue Tires sitting in the same room? hueymahl Feb 2016 #43
Who said the government cares? Snowden has been a nuisance, nothing more. randome Feb 2016 #45
PRISM is a secure means of transmitting data. randome Feb 2016 #33
.... retrowire Feb 2016 #42
And also their usual think4yourself Feb 2016 #44
Communications that they have authorization to collect. randome Feb 2016 #46
uh huh retrowire Feb 2016 #48
Conjecture, not evidence of anything. randome Feb 2016 #50
How is it far fetched to believe that a telecommunications employee would be retrowire Feb 2016 #54
'A' telecommunications employee, no. But ALL of them? randome Feb 2016 #55
Wow, and I though I'd heard every spin LiberalLovinLug Feb 2016 #56
Oh, so this whole charade was just to catch Clapper in a lie? Blue_Tires Feb 2016 #62
Um...no LiberalLovinLug Feb 2016 #70
Greenwald didn't win a Pulitzer Blue_Tires Feb 2016 #71
What exactly have you not been proven wrong about? LiberalLovinLug Feb 2016 #80
"What exactly have you not been proven wrong about?" Blue_Tires Feb 2016 #84
I checked out your OP there LiberalLovinLug Feb 2016 #85
I've pointed out multiple inconsistencies in Snowden's official story Blue_Tires Feb 2016 #86
Oh my LiberalLovinLug Feb 2016 #88
FWIW, I give less than a fuck who calls me what... Blue_Tires Feb 2016 #89
This is going in circles LiberalLovinLug Feb 2016 #90
Once again: Blue_Tires Feb 2016 #91
Whooooooooosh LiberalLovinLug Feb 2016 #93
Just can't leave it alone, can you? Blue_Tires Feb 2016 #94
The jury was never convened because the gov't didn't indict itself. Big surprise. leveymg Feb 2016 #77
Proof that our government is illegally spying on us has nothing to do with personal privacy or civil trillion Feb 2016 #95
There isn't one. davidthegnome Feb 2016 #5
Ah, yes... the part where I point out for the millionth time Blue_Tires Feb 2016 #12
To an extent. davidthegnome Feb 2016 #18
Correction -- He didn't flee to Russia, he defected Blue_Tires Feb 2016 #22
Bullshit. He got stuck in Russia when his passport was revoked. jhart3333 Feb 2016 #23
So Assange telling Snowden to go to Russia was bullshit? Blue_Tires Feb 2016 #28
If Snowden had stayed in any US-friendly state, i.e. followers of the hegemonic leader, OnyxCollie Feb 2016 #30
He didn't defect. OnyxCollie Feb 2016 #24
I can't prove he's not. davidthegnome Feb 2016 #25
So as far as you're concerned, the end justifies the means? Blue_Tires Feb 2016 #29
"(narrowly)" OnyxCollie Feb 2016 #32
So as far as you're concerned, the end justifies the means? OnyxCollie Feb 2016 #39
Some times it does. davidthegnome Feb 2016 #59
Fair enough, good points Blue_Tires Feb 2016 #66
The NSA is forbidden by law from spying domestically. randome Feb 2016 #38
. . . without a FISA warrant. But, they did that and do that, anyway. leveymg Feb 2016 #78
They collected with strict rules about not even looking unless with a warrant. randome Feb 2016 #79
The NSA docs leaked showed that NSA was not following the "strict rules" then in place regarding leveymg Feb 2016 #81
So what? They used every loophole they could find. Was anyone harmed by this? randome Feb 2016 #82
Is anyone harmed when the gov't universally spies on its citizens, profiles them, and retains their leveymg Feb 2016 #83
Too bad that your correction is obvious misinformation as usual. n/t xocet Feb 2016 #41
Oh? So straighten it out for me then, smart guy Blue_Tires Feb 2016 #63
It is what is always has been which is not consistent with what you would like to advertise it as. xocet Feb 2016 #69
It's not consistent, period Blue_Tires Feb 2016 #72
There's no shock navarth Feb 2016 #6
Yep salib Feb 2016 #7
There are more than I'm comfortable with Broward Feb 2016 #14
Don't hold back... Blue_Tires Feb 2016 #15
Prove Snowden is a tool of Putin. OnyxCollie Feb 2016 #20
It should be noted that you cannot respond to OnyxCollie's comment; your shifting misinformation... xocet Feb 2016 #75
No shit. Authoritarians and other things. Enthusiast Feb 2016 #27
Yep. hueymahl Feb 2016 #34
So we sent our magical flying torture bus out to nab someone, JoeyT Feb 2016 #47
Allegedly... Blue_Tires Feb 2016 #65
Actually all of DU was foaming at the mouth over kidnapping and torture JoeyT Feb 2016 #67
You're being revisionist as hell and you know it... Blue_Tires Feb 2016 #74
The Big shock Bad Dog Feb 2016 #53
Just like how he faced harsh questioning Blue_Tires Feb 2016 #64
Protect Moscow's interests Bad Dog Feb 2016 #68
I prefer true fiction... Blue_Tires Feb 2016 #73
The fact that the programs Snowden revealed were illegal is important. He's a whistleblower not a leveymg Feb 2016 #76
Foreign powers homegirl Feb 2016 #3
Of course the UK is complicit... Helen Borg Feb 2016 #8
hmmm.... Ironing Man Feb 2016 #9
It's not about the act itself harun Feb 2016 #11
+1000. nt. polly7 Feb 2016 #13
I'll just leave this here and see myself out Blue_Tires Feb 2016 #16
Isn't Julian Assange Still Holed Up gordyfl Feb 2016 #17
And Sweden. And Australia. randome Feb 2016 #36
Traitors. Octafish Feb 2016 #21
Octafish, some new documents have been released in Denmark bananas Feb 2016 #58
Money. It trumps peace. Octafish Feb 2016 #60
Missed that thread - thanks. nt bananas Feb 2016 #61
Golly gee whillikers. malthaussen Feb 2016 #26
New documents have been released with new details bananas Feb 2016 #57
K&R nt Duval Feb 2016 #49
Well, did they capture him? nt thereismore Feb 2016 #51
A plane flew over Scotland the following day, too! And yesterday, too! randome Feb 2016 #52
Copenhagen extradition plan of Snowden confirmed! TomVilmer Feb 2016 #87
this story made me think of a classic DU thread Enrique Feb 2016 #92
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