Secret US flight flew over Scottish airspace to capture Snowden

[Blue_Tires]

86. I've pointed out multiple inconsistencies in Snowden's official story

which remain unaddressed three years later (your attempted counters are mere speculation)...And that was just the first part -- Once I saw nobody really wanted to fuck with a thread which a couple of Snowdenistas dared me to start, mind you, I let it drop...


Anyway, it is you that is failing to understand the bigger picture I've painted... I realize you probably have the red ass because Vancouver played like shit last night, so I will go easy on you and spell out my basic premise in the simplest terms I can:

1. Civil liberties leaks are fine, but the majority of what's been leaked so far has had NOTHING to do with civil liberties abuses (and this fact is not in dispute)... People living in foreign countries have no inherent right to *NOT* get spied on, just like how I have no protections (legal, ethical or moral) from getting spied on by Russia, Israel, China, etc... Snowden also repeatedly said he never took files related to military operations or military intelligence, which has long since been exposed as a lie..

2. Snowden has wildly sensationalized several stories which stirred up a ton of outrage (i.e., Merkel's cellphone), but weeks later when the FULL story comes out (Merkel ignored her advisors and insisted on using an unsecured cellphone, multiple countries besides the U.S. were listening in, and Merkel was listening in on SOS Kerry's cellphone), neither Snowden nor his cultists have been made to answer for their now-discredited hysteria...

3. Rightly or wrongly, Snowden in action and words has created and continually maintains this perception that the United States and the FVEY are the only entity engaged in spycraft, (or at least the most abusive), which only strengthens the position of our adversaries' intelligence services...

4. I know he has to be obedient to the hand that feeds and protects him, but no matter how you cut it, Snowden's silence on Russia's crackdown on internet freedoms (in the irony of ironies, Putin has specifically used Snowden's leaks as his justification for the crackdown), is beyond reprehensible and hypocritical. And that's not even getting into Putin's longtime track record of assassinating or disappearing dissidents, journalists and whistleblowers, or China's recent "rendition" of dissident booksellers -- funny how there's no DU threads on THAT story, hmm? (And for the love of Jesus, please don't start with that morally bankrupt "But I don't care about that because I'm trying to fix America first!!" -bullshit... Just don't). There's also my issue with his failure to condemn Silicon Valley and the Telecoms for their complicity, but that's for another thread...

5. FACT: Before Snowden, every defector with national security secrets who fled to Russia has given something, if not everything up... If you have any reason to believe why Snowden would be an exception to this rule, I'm all ears... And no, Putin wouldn't be giving all this help to a dude who knows this much just to score a public relations victory in the world press against the West, because he was getting plenty of those before the special Snowflake ever came on the scene...

6. Yeah, I get his whiny point that electronic surveillance is evil and the overreach has gotten out of hand, blah blah blah, so where is the line drawn? What does he consider legitimate/legal/ethical spying?? He has essentially spoken about trying to establish some "international norms" or ground rules for SIGINT that every country should adhere to, but AFAIK he's never gotten into any hardcore details on how to define them, and how they could ever be enforced...

7. I'm sorry this offends your delicate sensibilities, but it's just the way my brain is wired -- It has nothing to do with "paranoia", thank you very much; it's just that when a foundation story or pattern is established, my brain instantly highlights any deviation, inconsistency or contradiction, which I try to resolve (and there have been so, so many inconsistencies and contradictions from the Snowald Cabal, it's driving me to the point of insanity)... Now, before you jump to your oh-so-obvious "But what about Clapper's inconsistencies and contradictions! Why don't they bother you as much?" My response would be because Clapper is already the designated "bad guy" in this story, and his behavior is consistent and predictable to that end... What I can't reconcile is why I should go along with everybody demanding that I exalt Snowden as some brave, humble, patriotic hero and I should build shrines and monuments of his likeness in public parks, since in light of everything those two parts don't fit together...

8. Three years in, I've seen nothing which properly addresses these inconsistencies, nor have I seen any indication that at least hints that I'm on the wrong track...

9. Yeah, yeah, I know.... I'm just a hater, screechy, paranoid, authoritarian, imperialist, jealous, paid NSA shill, hyper-obsessive rager, establishment stooge, pentagon employee, statist asshole, moron, and the list goes on... DUers throw those at me often I don't even bother to alert on it anymore...