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Wed Feb 24, 2016, 08:07 PM

Feb 2016

Hoist by his own Petard.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-shooting-range-instructor-dies-20140826-story.html

An instructor at a shooting range in Arizona died Monday after a 9-year-old girl accidentally shot him in the head with an Uzi he was showing her how to use, the Mohave County Sheriff’s Office said.

Charles Vacca, 39, of Lake Havasu City was shot Monday morning, airlifted to a medical center in Las Vegas and pronounced dead shortly before 9 p.m., the sheriff’s office said.

Vacca was working at the Bullets and Burgers outdoor range in White Hills, about 60 miles southeast of Las Vegas, when the accident occurred. The girl and her parents were at the range while on vacation, a sheriff’s spokeswoman told the Los Angeles Times.

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�We do not need a militia of toddlers': If Iowa law passes, children can use handguns [View all] jpak Feb 2016 OP

gun humpers have won Skittles Feb 2016 #1

Or it's a cry for help. "Stop me, it's clear I'm demented , delusional, and desperately in need of mpcamb Feb 2016 #121

Well, how do you expect a toddler to become a good shot if they can't have a gun? Vinca Feb 2016 #2

Good lord. What a bunch of baffoonery. C Moon Feb 2016 #3

There should be some penalty for introducing laws that fly in the face of reason. mpcamb Feb 2016 #124

There is, it's called elections, GGJohn Feb 2016 #126

+1000 C Moon Feb 2016 #129

It's quite obvious that Turbineguy Feb 2016 #4

Thank you for making me laugh. potone Feb 2016 #120

This is going to work out really well... Dont call me Shirley Feb 2016 #5

This will give new meaning to names like "Billy the Kid" and "Pretty Boy Floyd." KansDem Feb 2016 #6

And Baby face Nelson FailureToCommunicate Feb 2016 #8

Of course! KansDem Feb 2016 #10

To Republicans, a zygote has the right to open carry nuclear weapons. KentuckyWoman Feb 2016 #7

Well come on, DU Gun Enthusiasts. Paladin Feb 2016 #9

The NRA needs child soldiers to fight their White Privilege War jpak Feb 2016 #11

Way too young for handguns. Ten is when I first shot a rifle hack89 Feb 2016 #17

When your knee is done jerking AtheistCrusader Feb 2016 #18

No real parent would allow their toddler to handle a loaded gun jpak Feb 2016 #21

Fair enough. AtheistCrusader Feb 2016 #23

and with that experience, you were shaving at 7 jpak Feb 2016 #28

Didn't impact hair growth, to my knowlege. AtheistCrusader Feb 2016 #31

My apologies - couldn't resist jpak Feb 2016 #36

how about your spelling? olddad56 Feb 2016 #75

Seriously? You want to audit every post in this thread? AtheistCrusader Feb 2016 #84

This message was self-deleted by its author Tab Feb 2016 #116

Just because your parents did doesn't mean they should have. crim son Feb 2016 #65

My kid is almost 7. AtheistCrusader Feb 2016 #69

Who wants to go to a gun range with a child operating a gun? xocet Feb 2016 #42

Well, my parents didn't just 'hand me a gun'. AtheistCrusader Feb 2016 #51

We're probably not going to agree in the end, but I would suggest that not all children are... xocet Feb 2016 #71

We might agree more than you think. AtheistCrusader Feb 2016 #82

I had this lovely thing called... the desert... TipTok Feb 2016 #53

The gun nuts are hiding out in the gungeon... Human101948 Feb 2016 #25

Why is everyone always so concerned about other people's testicles? AtheistCrusader Feb 2016 #29

You are apparently unfamiliar with the colloquialisms of the English language and their meaning... Human101948 Feb 2016 #34

Reasonably certain "cojones" isn't english at all. AtheistCrusader Feb 2016 #41

Again, you are unfamiliar with common colloquialisms... Human101948 Feb 2016 #47

I think the gun=penis thing is over-played and boring. AtheistCrusader Feb 2016 #60

Why do you think that people cling so tightly to their guns? Human101948 Feb 2016 #70

Probably the same reason I cling to my snap-on tools. AtheistCrusader Feb 2016 #80

It weirds me out how many people are fixated on my gentalia hack89 Feb 2016 #33

You are apparently unfamiliar with the colloquialisms of the English language and their meaning... Human101948 Feb 2016 #35

Except a DU gun thread is impossible without endless speculation on my genitalia hack89 Feb 2016 #39

No one was speculating on your genitalia except you... Human101948 Feb 2016 #43

I think it is too young for handguns. hack89 Feb 2016 #45

Thank you for taking a stand... Human101948 Feb 2016 #49

Really? krispos42 Feb 2016 #127

I speculate about your genitalia jpak Feb 2016 #44

Yesssss! nt hack89 Feb 2016 #46

LOL! jpak Feb 2016 #50

It's just a law allowing a parent to supervise a child shooting a handgun at a range. NutmegYankee Feb 2016 #100

Armed children in elementary schools? Jack Rabbit Feb 2016 #12

... and "Meet me after school behind McDonalds" (n/t) William Seger Feb 2016 #14

That, too. Jack Rabbit Feb 2016 #16

Unless they're packing heat... Human101948 Feb 2016 #26

Oh course they are supermen Jack Rabbit Feb 2016 #52

That's going to increase property values. Gregorian Feb 2016 #13

For God's sake. Under parental supervision???? debunction.junction Feb 2016 #15

Actually firing a gun is a good way AtheistCrusader Feb 2016 #20

Dumbest post evah jpak Feb 2016 #24

You and I will never agree on this issue. AtheistCrusader Feb 2016 #27

yup jpak Feb 2016 #30

That might have been true years ago, when guns were treated as serious objects. Paladin Feb 2016 #55

Accidental deaths with firearms has been falling since the 50's, while gun ownership AtheistCrusader Feb 2016 #58

I stand by my prior comments. (nt) Paladin Feb 2016 #72

But they are not substantiated by raw data that the US DoJ has been collecting for 60 years. AtheistCrusader Feb 2016 #79

Because you are immune to facts like most controllers. Nt hack89 Feb 2016 #86

You are assuming that the parent is responsible... debunction.junction Feb 2016 #64

I can't control every parent's quality/standards. AtheistCrusader Feb 2016 #68

Boy, I wish you could! debunction.junction Feb 2016 #73

Fair enough. AtheistCrusader Feb 2016 #83

Firing at a target is the SAME as a GI Joe laser angstlessk Feb 2016 #93

In our case, a coconut would do. AtheistCrusader Feb 2016 #110

Sheesh America...when will you pull your heads out of your asses... SoapBox Feb 2016 #19

'under parental supervision' is the norm in most states. AtheistCrusader Feb 2016 #22

If you have children and own one of those things... scscholar Feb 2016 #32

When you ever wonder why gun control is a smoking wreck in America hack89 Feb 2016 #37

Different strokes, different folks. AtheistCrusader Feb 2016 #38

So, you are saying that a 5-year-old can appreciate the risks that he or she is being asked to take? xocet Feb 2016 #63

Not necessarily, but with proper guidance from parents AtheistCrusader Feb 2016 #66

Utter bullshit. GGJohn Feb 2016 #111

Some kids may get killed but gun profits make it worth it rurallib Feb 2016 #40

Freaking idiots. lark Feb 2016 #48

This is how it's been for generations... TipTok Feb 2016 #54

Teens can buy guns now? lark Feb 2016 #57

Kids and teenagers have been firing guns... TipTok Feb 2016 #59

Firing with adult supervision is one thing. lark Feb 2016 #61

And the law in question requires adult supervision. Nt hack89 Feb 2016 #87

This bill isn't about buying. AtheistCrusader Feb 2016 #62

An extreme position taken to logical conclusion exposing the nonsense of the position. nt Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2016 #56

Remember this story? maxsolomon Feb 2016 #67

Good ol' Bullets and Burgers!! longship Feb 2016 #78

Not Illegal for children to use Chain-saws either. One_Life_To_Give Feb 2016 #74

When that bully wants to take your lunch money, you must defend yourself. onehandle Feb 2016 #76

What are you talking about? hack89 Feb 2016 #89

I don't get the controversy - I fired my first handgun when I was 8. NutmegYankee Feb 2016 #77

California is the same way, I think, if I'm reading the law correctly: petronius Feb 2016 #90

I need to know all the states to avoid. This is insanity. nt valerief Feb 2016 #81

+10000 trillion Feb 2016 #107

legal in most states. AtheistCrusader Feb 2016 #112

Here is the proposed Law: happyslug Feb 2016 #85

This message was self-deleted by its author trillion Feb 2016 #88

So you oppose strict liability for the parents of a minor with a pistol, you must belong to the NRA. happyslug Feb 2016 #94

No I DON'T OPPOSE LIABILITY. AND Count me among the want to ban guns crowd. trillion Feb 2016 #105

I am talking about the ACTUAL PROPOSED LAW WITH ITS STRICT LIABILITY RULE. happyslug Feb 2016 #113

Okay, I would agree with those clauses. trillion Feb 2016 #119

I am sorry. I didn't realize I replied to you. I thought I replied to the thread. trillion Feb 2016 #109

so this will let parents KT2000 Feb 2016 #91

I posted the actual law, NO IT WILL NOT happyslug Feb 2016 #92

What could possibly go wrong? nt scarletwoman Feb 2016 #95

I have my doubts if the law is followed that anyone will get hurt happyslug Feb 2016 #97

Oh, that's all right then. As we all know, all gun regulations are always followed to the letter. scarletwoman Feb 2016 #99

It remains a misdemeanor NOT to follow those rules happyslug Feb 2016 #104

See, to me it takes some kind of a sick mind to want to teach a child how to shoot a pistol. scarletwoman Feb 2016 #122

What an offensive and bigoted thing to say. NutmegYankee Feb 2016 #128

She has a defensible position and thus NOT an "offensive and bigoted thing to say" happyslug Feb 2016 #131

I never wanted a pistol as a child, but carried one in the Army happyslug Feb 2016 #130

Some things are beyond belief angstlessk Feb 2016 #96

I post the proposed law and no one reads it... happyslug Feb 2016 #98

AS IF angstlessk Feb 2016 #101

That Strict liability rule is the nasty part happyslug Feb 2016 #106

OH, Okey dokey...a kid is killed angstlessk Feb 2016 #117

No, it won't. AtheistCrusader Feb 2016 #125

Ok, but none of that is legal, and this proposed law wouldn't make it legal. AtheistCrusader Feb 2016 #114

Won't make what legal? angstlessk Feb 2016 #118

ANY of your post. AtheistCrusader Feb 2016 #123

Hmm. davidthegnome Feb 2016 #102

Isn't possession of a gun with parental supervision normal in most of the country? aikoaiko Feb 2016 #103

This law applies to pistols only, rifles and shotguns are already legal happyslug Feb 2016 #108

In most states, yes. AtheistCrusader Feb 2016 #115

I'm no "gun humper", but I learned to shoot at targets at the age on 9... Nitram Feb 2016 #132

The promoter of the bill has fulfulled his lifelong dream:he has grown up to be a full blown a-hole. Judi Lynn Feb 2016 #133

Children over react to situations 11 year old kills 8 year old over puppy vinny9698 Feb 2016 #134