At Least Four People Killed in Shooting at Kansas Factory, Police Said

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90. Please show me where the anti gun supporters have ever gotten everything

I've not seen it.

After the compromise, when BOTH sides got something.

This is what I mean when I say you and I have a different opinion on compromise. The gun control people basically got nothing from this bill. It was not a compromise, it was a give-away.

What are you ideas for 'effective' gun control laws, and what are you willing to give up in a compromise to get them?

Not giving up lives is my biggest line in the sand.

Effective gun control laws would be making it harder for people to get a gun, like licensing and registration, having to pass background checks on all gun purchases. Also requirements that guns are stored safely, and insurance to make sure if your gun is used to kill someone there is insurance to cover the damages.

Owning guns should not be considered a constitutional right any more than anything else that people own. If you want to own something as potentially dangerous as a gun, you need to have a good reason to own one and be able to pass all obstacles to owning one. People are free to own cars now, but are not legal to drive them in public withoiut license and registration. Good reasons for owning a gun would be livestock protection, hunting, etc. Guns are just too dangerous to be owned for "sport" alone, unless you are into competition target practice, in which case, you could get a special license to own a gun for that purpose.

They are not safe even when purchased as self-protection, as in the end they kill more in the households who buy them for self-protection, than they protect. So, owning a gun for self-protection should only be available to certain people who "qualify" for that necessity.

Certain kinds of guns that make killing other humans easier (especially mass killings) have no place in our society today, other than in the military or on the police forces (and even then they should be limited to squads designed to tackle domestic violence and terrorism). I'd seriously like to see our community policing go sans-guns, but of course that will never happen when we have so many gun owners in the US.

What I'm willing to give up in exchange for this, is the idea of taking all guns away. Many people want to do that, and while I don't think it has a chance of hell in the US, I can certainly see why gun owners are frightened by the possibility laws could be passed to do that.