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Kelvin Mace

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192. "We can't abrubtly switch off carbon"

Sat Mar 5, 2016, 08:01 PM

Mar 2016

Perhaps, but that is precisely what we have to do, as anything less is going to be fatal. And again, the only candidate who would even make the effort is Sanders.

HRC is not going to propose, or fight for, a carbon tax. She is also not going to rein in the fracking industry, so again, we are utterly hosed whether she is president or Trump. It is just a matter of the schedule.

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Daily Kos Asks Clinton And Sanders Supporters For Unity [View all] onehandle Mar 2016 OP

fuggitaboutit. grasswire Mar 2016 #1

Bookmarked. nt onehandle Mar 2016 #2

I still find your sig line very offensive. nt grasswire Mar 2016 #4

I find nothing offensive about your sig line onehandle Loki Mar 2016 #14

Why should I support someone who is only running Loki Mar 2016 #19

Why should you support Bernie? JDPriestly Mar 2016 #72

"Vote for MY candidate or I'll stamp my foot and walk away" is gentle? brooklynite Mar 2016 #75

I will vote for all other Democrats on my ballot but not for Hillary. JDPriestly Mar 2016 #91

That makes you not a democrat. rockfordfile Mar 2016 #193

+1000 BuddhaGirl Mar 2016 #195

I have been a Democrat since 1952. Wore my Adlai pin to school in 1956. Voted and JDPriestly Mar 2016 #196

Actually, it brings you back to the real platform OF Democrats ... MrMickeysMom Mar 2016 #210

Yeah no. You've gotten too swept up in watching the black dot on the Democratic page. ancianita Mar 2016 #208

Um, no. truebluegreen Mar 2016 #227

It has seemed that way since my parents said it. ancianita Mar 2016 #235

Our parents weren't staring down the barrel truebluegreen Mar 2016 #237

K&R Diremoon Mar 2016 #77

very well stated! peacebird Mar 2016 #129

Get a clue. gcomeau Mar 2016 #74

Si se puede! JackRiddler Mar 2016 #88

Exactly TrueDemVA Mar 2016 #124

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2016 #132

Concur - GREATLY laserhaas Mar 2016 #187

While having Sanders run as a Democratic-Socialist would give Clinton an easy explanation for losing That Guy 888 Mar 2016 #79

Are you describing Madam Third Way? JackRiddler Mar 2016 #86

Why should I support someone who is only running as a Democrat for convenience? Loudestlib Mar 2016 #92

He's never called himself a Democrat Loki Mar 2016 #149

DUzy! truebluegreen Mar 2016 #228

"convenience"? ... Jopin Klobe Mar 2016 #111

Without it he would still be sitting in Vermont, Loki Mar 2016 #174

And that's the gist Cavallo Mar 2016 #116

Democratic leadership trashed the party when they turned republican-lite. CrispyQ Mar 2016 #165

They might have left us, but we ain't fuckin' goin' anywhere. FDR's will win, slowly but surely. ancianita Mar 2016 #209

+ 1001 2pooped2pop Mar 2016 #33

agreed. he's in and so am i. roguevalley Mar 2016 #48

Me too MissDeeds Mar 2016 #76

+1 platitudipus Mar 2016 #59

This message was self-deleted by its author Loudestlib Mar 2016 #90

there's a parent company? grasswire Mar 2016 #95

If the "eventual nominee" becomes clear, I hope we will follow suit. MADem Mar 2016 #3

Tired isn't my word for it MADem Loki Mar 2016 #16

Yep. It'll be interesting to see how it flows. nt MADem Mar 2016 #18

Your memory is flawed. MisterFred Mar 2016 #108

She supported and campaigned for President Obama Loki Mar 2016 #148

Nice job ending with the personal insult. MisterFred Mar 2016 #185

tired from what? Typing? Reading? Not exactly a strenuous workout. Cobalt Violet Mar 2016 #127

We will also see who can win with grace, won't we? truebluegreen Mar 2016 #229

If you are tired of it can't you go do something else? Cobalt Violet Mar 2016 #126

Markos noretreatnosurrender Mar 2016 #5

Your outrage probably meant you missed this line... brooklynite Mar 2016 #8

My Outrage? noretreatnosurrender Mar 2016 #15

Projection is an art form. Blue State Bandit Mar 2016 #30

Eh, if that's art this practitioner is rather on the kitsch side. JackRiddler Mar 2016 #87

Yeah that one line makes up for all of the anti Bernie shit 2pooped2pop Mar 2016 #39

No, brooklynite is quite correct. Duval Mar 2016 #63

If they don't vote you probably shouldn't bother courting them for the GE. n/t Loudestlib Mar 2016 #94

He was for Hillary from the start. merrily Mar 2016 #10

So, it's his board. Loki Mar 2016 #24

Congrats. You win the total non sequitur award. Straw man trophy, too. merrily Mar 2016 #28

Whatever that means. Loki Mar 2016 #41

Your lack of curiosity is as remarkable as your eagerness to admit you don't know. merrily Mar 2016 #43

Well aren't we psychic! Loki Mar 2016 #60

Just reading your posts and taking you at your word. But, kudos on another non sequitur. merrily Mar 2016 #68

SMDH... chervilant Mar 2016 #81

Shake some more sweetie, Loki Mar 2016 #166

You might want to reread this quote from him as it suggests otherwise. LonePirate Mar 2016 #42

Thanks, but I don't think that is as clear a statement as you seem to think it is. merrily Mar 2016 #45

He thinks HRC will be the nominee and he's obviously disappointed by that. Seems pretty clear to me. LonePirate Mar 2016 #47

Making it personal about me is what you do, but it doesn't make your argument stronger. Just the merrily Mar 2016 #50

merrily, you are a wealth of information. I honestly didn't know this Duval Mar 2016 #64

no problem; my pleasure. merrily Mar 2016 #66

OK. Thanks. Duval Mar 2016 #70

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2016 #133

Yes... A pattern begins to emerge, eh? Raster Mar 2016 #137

"Well, all I know is what I read in the papers." Will Rogers (traditional Democrat) merrily Mar 2016 #156

And getting her in the White House Kelvin Mace Mar 2016 #104

You are incorrect. MisterFred Mar 2016 #109

How exactly does that quote show that? LonePirate Mar 2016 #110

?? MisterFred Mar 2016 #186

so he thinks we should settle for what we get and somehow magically build more libs down the road, roguevalley Mar 2016 #114

Not many others will settle either. platitudipus Mar 2016 #117

Me neither. Major Hogwash Mar 2016 #122

Is there a paycheck in there? MrMickeysMom Mar 2016 #211

The Unity Pony Ellen Forradalom Mar 2016 #6

Where's the New Democrat half? merrily Mar 2016 #11

For the win.....EOM catnhatnh Mar 2016 #21

^^Thread winner!. nt silvershadow Mar 2016 #29

Love it! dflprincess Mar 2016 #38

booyah desmiller Mar 2016 #52

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Laughing is a good thing. Laughing on your birthday... priceless. Many happy returns of the day. merrily Mar 2016 #158

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Isn't it though? Super creepy Ellen Forradalom Mar 2016 #181

Follow the money... Skwmom Mar 2016 #7

Thank you brentspeak Mar 2016 #71

Screw that! RoccoR5955 Mar 2016 #9

Like I said upthread, Loki Mar 2016 #25

What you all do without the Democrats? nt silvershadow Mar 2016 #31

It's been Democratic Underground for a very long time. Loki Mar 2016 #35

Without him, you don't have a party anymore. Remember that. His crowds are swelling, silvershadow Mar 2016 #37

Ok, if you say so, it must be true. Loki Mar 2016 #40

Thread win! NanceGreggs Mar 2016 #80

I disagree, Loki. He has always voted with Dems before he became one. Duval Mar 2016 #69

What was he going to do Duval, vote with the Republicans? Loki Mar 2016 #144

Sure he would have voted with Republicans just like Hillary pinebox Mar 2016 #160

Interesting that Kos is supporting Hillary isn't it? Loki Mar 2016 #162

Interesting that they are considering she loses in a GE matchup pinebox Mar 2016 #163

Dream on, Loki Mar 2016 #168

Try harder pinebox Mar 2016 #169

LOL! Loki Mar 2016 #172

Yup! When you got nada just "LOL" pinebox Mar 2016 #173

have fun trying to win a ge without bernie supporters restorefreedom Mar 2016 #182

I won't vote for a republican in sheeps clothing. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2016 #200

This message was self-deleted by its author RoccoR5955 Mar 2016 #44

Wow aren't you a divisive little thing? jillan Mar 2016 #46

Not any more than you Loki Mar 2016 #62

LOL! DailyKos is a site I might hit once a week, if that. Won't miss it at all. peacebird Mar 2016 #131

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2016 #135

The format was a pain, agree peacebird Mar 2016 #136

Guess you'll have quite a few places you won't be visiting Loki Mar 2016 #142

That seems like a good match for you, based on your candidate choice peacebird Mar 2016 #143

Touchy aren't we? Loki Mar 2016 #145

Apparently you are peacebird Mar 2016 #147

Apparently you don't read much either. Loki Mar 2016 #151

We have one, called DU. And you are here. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2016 #201

100%! dana_b Mar 2016 #236

Daily Kos? What makes Markos think he has the right to tell people what to do? jillan Mar 2016 #12

It's a faux thing anyway, designed to pretend Clinton can win this if we just coalesce. nt silvershadow Mar 2016 #32

I say - 'bye Kos. 840high Mar 2016 #85

Showtime, All the Way- appalachiablue Mar 2016 #13

Somehow the Rethugs always manage to run a douchebag... roamer65 Mar 2016 #17

If Party Discord Seats a Republican President houston16revival Mar 2016 #20

Sounds like the Third Way better get to scurrying back to their roots, then...have you seen the silvershadow Mar 2016 #36

I'm not here to debate you or take sides houston16revival Mar 2016 #54

Oh, trust me, hun...you *aren't debating me. ;) Everyone give houston16revival a silvershadow Mar 2016 #56

Always the same rhetoric every election cycle pinebox Mar 2016 #161

Hillary has... blah blah blah. Won't vote for her. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2016 #202

We as democrats can't hold the presidency in perpetuity. That's an impossibility. PoliticalMalcontent Mar 2016 #99

Unless we RADICALLY alter our energy policy Kelvin Mace Mar 2016 #105

Valid points all houston16revival Mar 2016 #157

"We can't abrubtly switch off carbon" Kelvin Mace Mar 2016 #192

Yes! This is our last chance, I'm afraid. I won't see another Bernie in my lifetime. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2016 #203

Markos is a clown Geronimoe Mar 2016 #22

Indicted for what? Loki Mar 2016 #26

Last I heard they gave immunity to her email server admin. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2016 #205

Well, try reading this for starters. Loki Mar 2016 #212

Funny, I have no respect for Colin Powell since he helped lie us to war. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2016 #213

Whatever Dump Loki Mar 2016 #214

You should read more. He knew it was a lie. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2016 #215

You really believe that shit? Loki Mar 2016 #216

He strongly suspected things were not as they were told to him Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2016 #219

Maybe if you'd been on this board back then Loki Mar 2016 #217

Hey, pal, I think I know more about the recent past than you do. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2016 #218

Read what Larry Wilkerson has to say Dump. Loki Mar 2016 #223

I read everything. My opinions are well informed. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2016 #232

I very much doubt she will be indicted Kelvin Mace Mar 2016 #106

That's one of my options too. I'm sick of the lesser of two evils crap. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2016 #204

Daily Kos, et al can kiss my ass... eom Purveyor Mar 2016 #23

Daily who? monicaangela Mar 2016 #27

Duplicate post. Bubzer Mar 2016 #34

Clearly not LBN, this is 100 percent GD : Primary JackRiddler Mar 2016 #49

Biggest liberal blog asks for unity amongst liberals and it isn't news at a liberal forum? onehandle Mar 2016 #57

"Daily Kos announces censorship policy starting March 15." JackRiddler Mar 2016 #84

It's a duplicate post of existing news. Per the SOP, duplicates are not permited. Bubzer Mar 2016 #113

Wrong. Kos asks everybody to support Hill. nt SusanCalvin Mar 2016 #51

looking for an simple answer from a Hillary supporter, any good answer. Mark 750 Mar 2016 #53

Keep your eyes on the prize houston16revival Mar 2016 #55

You should post more often. This is wiser and better informed than 90 leveymg Mar 2016 #58

Interesting how coming from the same time Loki Mar 2016 #65

Non answer Mark 750 Mar 2016 #102

You pompous ....... Loki Mar 2016 #150

You seem to be obsessed with a certain rodent, but Mark 750 Mar 2016 #167

I'm not your brother, Loki Mar 2016 #170

The Hillary supporters have a moral blindspot when it comes to her. BillZBubb Mar 2016 #159

thank you for your wise and informative post. grasswire Mar 2016 #96

LBN? Vote2016 Mar 2016 #61

What a joke! nt ladjf Mar 2016 #67

Markos is a tool of the establishment. Maedhros Mar 2016 #73

Hold my nose Diremoon Mar 2016 #78

History proves you wrong Geronimoe Mar 2016 #93

Have Moulitsas ... NanceGreggs Mar 2016 #82

Where will they go? What will they do? NurseJackie Mar 2016 #153

Screw you, Daily Kos. DrBulldog Mar 2016 #83

*whispers* didn't she get a call from the guy who wrested the cocaine trade from the Haitians MisterP Mar 2016 #89

Markos Moulitsas is not a liberal Dem Socialist 2016 Mar 2016 #97

Outstanding comment!!! Major Hogwash Mar 2016 #121

hmm... chervilant Mar 2016 #98

After allowing months of the same divisive bullshit to rage unchecked Arazi Mar 2016 #100

Hillary never voted for my best interest, why should I vote for hers? Perogie Mar 2016 #101

Commandant Markos runs a boring website posting a thousand iterations of the same story: republicans Carlo Marx Mar 2016 #103

Hardly. MisterFred Mar 2016 #107

Clinton supporters don't WANT Sanders supporters..... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #112

Two Things We Know videohead5 Mar 2016 #115

She will also defend voting rights BeyondGeography Mar 2016 #128

No, unfortunately WE DON'T KNOW THAT. Raster Mar 2016 #140

Her husband did videohead5 Mar 2016 #179

You don't care, huh? Raster Mar 2016 #180

So videohead5 Mar 2016 #183

Tell you what... Google is your friend... Raster Mar 2016 #184

You don't care where she gets her money from. We already knew that. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2016 #199

Thats not what I was saying videohead5 Mar 2016 #206

That transaction would not be made public. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2016 #207

You think they annouce those things in the Times? truebluegreen Mar 2016 #231

Clinton people don't want to hear the truth about Hillary. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2016 #198

Bringing Daily Kos members to heel Geronimoe Mar 2016 #118

Try this out, literally David L Mar 2016 #119

I still have my integrity, I never posted at Kos. Major Hogwash Mar 2016 #120

That was an incredibly brave, principled action on the part of the Kerry blog and Kerry himself karynnj Mar 2016 #177

Cold day in hell since Hillary has run such a negative and dirty tricks campaign emsimon33 Mar 2016 #123

This message was self-deleted by its author DUbeornot2be Mar 2016 #125

I Don't know about "The 'Not Hillary' Party", but we Berners will continue until the convention! peacebird Mar 2016 #130

I love the way you encourage unity - "Not Hillary Party" is going down. Vinca Mar 2016 #138

We could use some of that around here pandr32 Mar 2016 #139

This is the kind of trash that keeps me fighting for Bernie. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2016 #220

More like "Bernin" out" but hey, each to their own. pandr32 Mar 2016 #222

We will see. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2016 #230

How very democratic of Daily Kos Red Oak Mar 2016 #141

It's this sort of establishment arrogance Pryderi Mar 2016 #146

Shrug. I don't give hits to Hillary-centric sites like that anyway, djean111 Mar 2016 #152

Typical Authoritarian bullshit from DLC types. NorthCarolina Mar 2016 #154

Love, not hate! LannyDeVaney Mar 2016 #155

Because nothing brings smart intellegent people together like a candidate who scolds us whereisjustice Mar 2016 #164

Campers on DU call for Purges! Warren Stupidity Mar 2016 #171

Whichever candidate wins will have gotten the most Democratic support Democat Mar 2016 #176

Bombers, carriers and taxpayers money, oh my! Unify behind this… Mark 750 Mar 2016 #178

Two Clintons. 41 Years. $3 Billion. Inside The Clinton Donor Network (Washington Post 11-19-15) bobthedrummer Mar 2016 #188

Let the people fucking vote already!!!! alarimer Mar 2016 #189

Jury results. SoapBox Mar 2016 #190

... In_The_Wind Mar 2016 #191

+10000000 Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2016 #221

fat chance of that on DU Skittles Mar 2016 #194

Well if you think about.......... nolabels Mar 2016 #225

it's not just "people coming here" Skittles Mar 2016 #226

Yea i guess i might have seen few also nolabels Mar 2016 #234

Markos “Clinton 3rd way moderate” Moulitsas Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2016 #197

I'm all for Unity. Not at the cost of Honesty and Integrity. Dont call me Shirley Mar 2016 #224

I'm all for unity LyndaG Mar 2016 #233