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43. Like abolishing the military would bring an end to war

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 02:38 PM

Apr 2016

As someone from a small country whose military is basically just good for search-and-rescue, the reality is that if you can't put a strong defense others will take advantage of the fact because they can. There are a lot of people int he world who are willing to use force as a first resort, and abandoning your own capability isn't a good way to protect yourself against that.

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Pentagon to test F-35 against A-10 in 'common sense' war scenario showdown [View all] NWCorona Apr 2016 OP

They should sell tickets. NT mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2016 #1

yes they tested the cannon jpak Apr 2016 #2

Nice video! NWCorona Apr 2016 #3

182 rounds for the F-35 up to 1100 rounds for the A-10 jpak Apr 2016 #12

Yeah that's enough rounds to have on hand lol! NWCorona Apr 2016 #16

Loiter time over target is ~ 1 hour for the A-10 ffr Apr 2016 #66

The Air Force was considering bringing back the OV-10 Bronco or buying the A-29 Super Tucano jpak Apr 2016 #69

And, if my memory is right, the hang time for a oneshooter Apr 2016 #80

What is that? 3.8 seconds of fire for the '35? ChairmanAgnostic Apr 2016 #61

It can carry external gun pods - but that would compromise it's stealth geometry jpak Apr 2016 #70

So basically, more war. Phlem Apr 2016 #4

I'm just hoping this solidifies the A-10 and keeps it from getting chopped NWCorona Apr 2016 #5

Like abolishing the military would bring an end to war anigbrowl Apr 2016 #43

Don't preach the fucking reality to me. Terrorism. The forever war on a word. Phlem Apr 2016 #47

You were saying 'so basically more war' anigbrowl Apr 2016 #48

I said 4 words and you got all of that from 4 words? Phlem Apr 2016 #50

Plus, once they have the shiny new jets TexasBushwhacker Apr 2016 #57

The entire thread is about testing to see whether we actually need the shiny new jet anigbrowl Apr 2016 #71

"..but have you seen the Mic Budget? It's not getting any smaller." EX500rider Apr 2016 #58

Yeay! Phlem Apr 2016 #64

Oh you and your facts anigbrowl Apr 2016 #72

I know, I am such a wet blanket! EX500rider Apr 2016 #77

Ten on the warthog. cliffordu Apr 2016 #6

Definitely. That F-35 is an expensive piece of garbage. LS_Editor Apr 2016 #10

Yup. The Hog will paint the Flying Money Pit black. sarge43 Apr 2016 #18

Just in case we run out of adversaries and decide to go to war with ourselves . . . Journeyman Apr 2016 #7

I assume cost is not to be part of this comparison? nt bemildred Apr 2016 #8

Cost is why they want to get rid of the A10... awoke_in_2003 Apr 2016 #63

Yep, that's my point, there is no competition on cost. A10 wins hands down. bemildred Apr 2016 #74

Yep, it is a racket... awoke_in_2003 Apr 2016 #75

I worry that it won't be a fair test. Old Crow Apr 2016 #9

I agree with you but it would have to be an extremely crooked test NWCorona Apr 2016 #13

We'll just have to cross our fingers and hope sanity prevails. Old Crow Apr 2016 #23

Agreed! NWCorona Apr 2016 #24

I keep reading that some of the number crunchers at DOD do not think anyone can LiberalArkie Apr 2016 #27

You are likely correct GummyBearz Apr 2016 #15

They already tested the F-35 against the F-16 and the F-16 won. iandhr Apr 2016 #36

Aha. You mean they've tested the F-35 against the F-16. Old Crow Apr 2016 #60

Thanks. iandhr Apr 2016 #65

"They already tested it against the F-16 and the F-16 won." EX500rider Apr 2016 #62

I post this without comment jpak Apr 2016 #67

$9M A-10 v. $150M F-35 ffr Apr 2016 #68

That really wasn't what that test about at all. EX500rider Apr 2016 #76

Just give it to the army and the jar heads simmonsj811 Apr 2016 #49

There is no way the AF command will let this be a fair test... Johnyawl Apr 2016 #56

'common sense' war scenario Cassiopeia Apr 2016 #11

desperately searching for justification for Bernie's favorite MIC boondoggle nt msongs Apr 2016 #14

I'm thinking it's a way to finally put the nail in the F-35 NWCorona Apr 2016 #20

Wouldn't that be something if they're setting up that F-35 dog of plane for failure. brush Apr 2016 #33

This plane has had standing orders cancelled left and right. NWCorona Apr 2016 #35

They ought to stop spending good money after bad brush Apr 2016 #39

Agreed and I think this test will finally put an end to this plane. NWCorona Apr 2016 #41

Not just Bernie... iandhr Apr 2016 #37

It's common knowledge that the Mic exploits politicians. How? Phlem Apr 2016 #52

Irony is Plucketeer Apr 2016 #17

True but the A-10 just had an avionics update that was brought it very up to date. NWCorona Apr 2016 #21

Not that this is relevant, but... Plucketeer Apr 2016 #25

Doesn't surprise me at all and I definitely have that in the back of my mind NWCorona Apr 2016 #26

don't change the engines! paleotn Apr 2016 #78

I'll take an A-10 any day... TipTok Apr 2016 #19

Truth! NWCorona Apr 2016 #22

LOL! That was great. (N/T) Old Crow Apr 2016 #31

Oh. and one of my friends made mention one day was that the A-10 did not need any ammo LiberalArkie Apr 2016 #28

How many A-10s can you buy with the cost of one F-35? House of Roberts Apr 2016 #29

"How many A-10s can you buy with the cost of one F-35?" EX500rider Apr 2016 #59

This seems like a strange comparison Mosby Apr 2016 #30

They have and it lost terribly NWCorona Apr 2016 #32

It would lose spectacularly. brush Apr 2016 #34

Air to air the F-22 would dominate the F-35 NobodyHere Apr 2016 #54

The F-22 is a multi-role fighter with ground attack capability Mosby Apr 2016 #55

The F-35 is only about the money at this point. An A-4 Skyhawk could fly rings around it. Ford_Prefect Apr 2016 #38

Well said! NWCorona Apr 2016 #40

The A-10 refurb/export program is dead Sen. Walter Sobchak Apr 2016 #42

It seems they don't want anyone else to have them either...Imagine that! Ford_Prefect Apr 2016 #45

I wonder just how large a drone has to be to take out the F-35? Ford_Prefect Apr 2016 #44

I can't remember what plane it was but China recently retrofitted a whole fleet of jets into drones NWCorona Apr 2016 #46

It doesn't have to be any larger than necessary to carry fuel, a computer and a couple AAMs. leveymg Apr 2016 #53

The only way to realistically test the two is to shoot AA and missiles at them and see who survives leveymg Apr 2016 #51

Bingo. n/t paleotn Apr 2016 #79

ooh more shock 'n' awe! Fucking disgusting! People need necessities, not GD fucking war toys! Dont call me Shirley Apr 2016 #73

Actually the military needs to upgrade weapons occasionally or you end up... EX500rider Apr 2016 #81

You cannot do close air support if you cannot get close to the target. Been true since 1916. Ford_Prefect Apr 2016 #82

IFF is a pretty damn high priority for close air support, and the A-10 excels. Tactical Peek Apr 2016 #83

The F-35 is designed to do it all The Second Stone Apr 2016 #84