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81. Actually the military needs to upgrade weapons occasionally or you end up...

Reply to Dont call me Shirley (Reply #73)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:50 PM

Apr 2016

....like we did in the start of WWII where US pilots were sent up in obsolete planes like the Brewster F2A Buffalo against the Japanese Zero and they got slaughtered.

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Pentagon to test F-35 against A-10 in 'common sense' war scenario showdown [View all] NWCorona Apr 2016 OP

They should sell tickets. NT mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2016 #1

yes they tested the cannon jpak Apr 2016 #2

Nice video! NWCorona Apr 2016 #3

182 rounds for the F-35 up to 1100 rounds for the A-10 jpak Apr 2016 #12

Yeah that's enough rounds to have on hand lol! NWCorona Apr 2016 #16

Loiter time over target is ~ 1 hour for the A-10 ffr Apr 2016 #66

The Air Force was considering bringing back the OV-10 Bronco or buying the A-29 Super Tucano jpak Apr 2016 #69

And, if my memory is right, the hang time for a oneshooter Apr 2016 #80

What is that? 3.8 seconds of fire for the '35? ChairmanAgnostic Apr 2016 #61

It can carry external gun pods - but that would compromise it's stealth geometry jpak Apr 2016 #70

So basically, more war. Phlem Apr 2016 #4

I'm just hoping this solidifies the A-10 and keeps it from getting chopped NWCorona Apr 2016 #5

Like abolishing the military would bring an end to war anigbrowl Apr 2016 #43

Don't preach the fucking reality to me. Terrorism. The forever war on a word. Phlem Apr 2016 #47

You were saying 'so basically more war' anigbrowl Apr 2016 #48

I said 4 words and you got all of that from 4 words? Phlem Apr 2016 #50

Plus, once they have the shiny new jets TexasBushwhacker Apr 2016 #57

The entire thread is about testing to see whether we actually need the shiny new jet anigbrowl Apr 2016 #71

"..but have you seen the Mic Budget? It's not getting any smaller." EX500rider Apr 2016 #58

Yeay! Phlem Apr 2016 #64

Oh you and your facts anigbrowl Apr 2016 #72

I know, I am such a wet blanket! EX500rider Apr 2016 #77

Ten on the warthog. cliffordu Apr 2016 #6

Definitely. That F-35 is an expensive piece of garbage. LS_Editor Apr 2016 #10

Yup. The Hog will paint the Flying Money Pit black. sarge43 Apr 2016 #18

Just in case we run out of adversaries and decide to go to war with ourselves . . . Journeyman Apr 2016 #7

I assume cost is not to be part of this comparison? nt bemildred Apr 2016 #8

Cost is why they want to get rid of the A10... awoke_in_2003 Apr 2016 #63

Yep, that's my point, there is no competition on cost. A10 wins hands down. bemildred Apr 2016 #74

Yep, it is a racket... awoke_in_2003 Apr 2016 #75

I worry that it won't be a fair test. Old Crow Apr 2016 #9

I agree with you but it would have to be an extremely crooked test NWCorona Apr 2016 #13

We'll just have to cross our fingers and hope sanity prevails. Old Crow Apr 2016 #23

Agreed! NWCorona Apr 2016 #24

I keep reading that some of the number crunchers at DOD do not think anyone can LiberalArkie Apr 2016 #27

You are likely correct GummyBearz Apr 2016 #15

They already tested the F-35 against the F-16 and the F-16 won. iandhr Apr 2016 #36

Aha. You mean they've tested the F-35 against the F-16. Old Crow Apr 2016 #60

Thanks. iandhr Apr 2016 #65

"They already tested it against the F-16 and the F-16 won." EX500rider Apr 2016 #62

I post this without comment jpak Apr 2016 #67

$9M A-10 v. $150M F-35 ffr Apr 2016 #68

That really wasn't what that test about at all. EX500rider Apr 2016 #76

Just give it to the army and the jar heads simmonsj811 Apr 2016 #49

There is no way the AF command will let this be a fair test... Johnyawl Apr 2016 #56

'common sense' war scenario Cassiopeia Apr 2016 #11

desperately searching for justification for Bernie's favorite MIC boondoggle nt msongs Apr 2016 #14

I'm thinking it's a way to finally put the nail in the F-35 NWCorona Apr 2016 #20

Wouldn't that be something if they're setting up that F-35 dog of plane for failure. brush Apr 2016 #33

This plane has had standing orders cancelled left and right. NWCorona Apr 2016 #35

They ought to stop spending good money after bad brush Apr 2016 #39

Agreed and I think this test will finally put an end to this plane. NWCorona Apr 2016 #41

Not just Bernie... iandhr Apr 2016 #37

It's common knowledge that the Mic exploits politicians. How? Phlem Apr 2016 #52

Irony is Plucketeer Apr 2016 #17

True but the A-10 just had an avionics update that was brought it very up to date. NWCorona Apr 2016 #21

Not that this is relevant, but... Plucketeer Apr 2016 #25

Doesn't surprise me at all and I definitely have that in the back of my mind NWCorona Apr 2016 #26

don't change the engines! paleotn Apr 2016 #78

I'll take an A-10 any day... TipTok Apr 2016 #19

Truth! NWCorona Apr 2016 #22

LOL! That was great. (N/T) Old Crow Apr 2016 #31

Oh. and one of my friends made mention one day was that the A-10 did not need any ammo LiberalArkie Apr 2016 #28

How many A-10s can you buy with the cost of one F-35? House of Roberts Apr 2016 #29

"How many A-10s can you buy with the cost of one F-35?" EX500rider Apr 2016 #59

This seems like a strange comparison Mosby Apr 2016 #30

They have and it lost terribly NWCorona Apr 2016 #32

It would lose spectacularly. brush Apr 2016 #34

Air to air the F-22 would dominate the F-35 NobodyHere Apr 2016 #54

The F-22 is a multi-role fighter with ground attack capability Mosby Apr 2016 #55

The F-35 is only about the money at this point. An A-4 Skyhawk could fly rings around it. Ford_Prefect Apr 2016 #38

Well said! NWCorona Apr 2016 #40

The A-10 refurb/export program is dead Sen. Walter Sobchak Apr 2016 #42

It seems they don't want anyone else to have them either...Imagine that! Ford_Prefect Apr 2016 #45

I wonder just how large a drone has to be to take out the F-35? Ford_Prefect Apr 2016 #44

I can't remember what plane it was but China recently retrofitted a whole fleet of jets into drones NWCorona Apr 2016 #46

It doesn't have to be any larger than necessary to carry fuel, a computer and a couple AAMs. leveymg Apr 2016 #53

The only way to realistically test the two is to shoot AA and missiles at them and see who survives leveymg Apr 2016 #51

Bingo. n/t paleotn Apr 2016 #79

ooh more shock 'n' awe! Fucking disgusting! People need necessities, not GD fucking war toys! Dont call me Shirley Apr 2016 #73

Actually the military needs to upgrade weapons occasionally or you end up... EX500rider Apr 2016 #81

You cannot do close air support if you cannot get close to the target. Been true since 1916. Ford_Prefect Apr 2016 #82

IFF is a pretty damn high priority for close air support, and the A-10 excels. Tactical Peek Apr 2016 #83

The F-35 is designed to do it all The Second Stone Apr 2016 #84