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LeftyMom

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25. Ugh, Vyvkie and RawStory? No wonder this story is clickbaity crap.
Wed May 4, 2016, 10:33 PM
May 2016

First of all, Vaughn Ohlman is not the Duggars' cult leader. Their cult leader is Bill Gothard. Whatever their flaws are, none of their kids were married underage.

Second let's talk about the context here, because it's important: this particular slice of fundamentalism has been talking for years about what they term "the marriage crisis." Basically the issue is that they deliberately raised their daughters in particular to aspire to be mothers of large families, and they're reaching adulthood and not finding suitable partners, often until well into their thirties. Which is a problem if you want a big family, because the math just doesn't work at that point. Different people in their communities identify different contributing factors, and a lot of them are focusing on mentoring young men. Personally I suspect that their emphasis on debt-free living is a big part of the problem: if you need to buy a house to get married and you can't take out a loan, you're unlikely to be marrying young because you need to make some serious money even to buy a little fixer in most places.

Third Ohlman's argument is that young men are ready to be husbands before they're ready to be the independent leaders of their own family unit, and that if they need to live with family for a while on their own or something that's not a dealbreaker. If you look at his website he's talking about people in their late teens and twenties. He's explicitly not talking about people younger than the end of puberty. What he's rejecting is "leave and cleave" theology where marriage means a couple is entirely and irreperably independent of their families: since this theology places abused women in danger and traps them in bad situations (ie Anna Duggar) this might not be the worst thing. He also suggests that ruling out young people because their family's ideology is very slightly different is stupid. In a subculture where it's not uncommon for dads to make young men write many theological position papers as part of the courtship process that's also not objectionable advice.

Fourth and most importantly every fundamentalist activity is explicitly a place for matchmaking. That's why they have eleventy billion conferences and parachurch ministries, and why they're forever sending their teenagers and young adults off to assist other ministries, why they all emphasize hospitality and visiting likeminded families, and why highly experienced families with older children still attend several homeschooling conferences a year, even though they could recite the speakers' advice from memory.

Fifth and most importantly Vyckie Garrison is a crank and writing articles about fundamentalism for liberals is her latest grift. Take her articles with a box of salt, okay?



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I wonder what the "barriers which have kept their children unmarried" are. Brickbat May 2016 #1
Statutory rape laws are barriers Vincardog May 2016 #12
Is that what he's referring to? Brickbat May 2016 #18
The lifestyle the children wish to lead is at the top of the list jmowreader May 2016 #20
Jesus wants them girls to be baby makers .... so saith the Lord Botany May 2016 #2
This sounds like sex trafficking. Scruffy Rumbler May 2016 #3
One of the Duggar boys is, I am fairly certain, gay. LibDemAlways May 2016 #8
It's statistically likely n/t TexasBushwhacker May 2016 #17
Are the families getting paid $1200 as the price for their daughters, or are they paying it muriel_volestrangler May 2016 #4
Thus far the Duggars have somehow LibDemAlways May 2016 #5
don't these asshats know we will be running out of water and food in 20-30 years? secondwind May 2016 #6
creepy shit Marrah_G May 2016 #7
Back to the 50s. Barefoot and pregnant and ignorant. The jwirr May 2016 #9
Girls got married young back in the 50's, but they generally Arkansas Granny May 2016 #11
Replace "Christian" with Muslim, and send post it on Free Republic or Facebook NickB79 May 2016 #10
Well at least it's being referred to as a 'cult' milestogo May 2016 #13
Tell that to a Scientologist! I've heard they get really cranky. n/t Judi Lynn May 2016 #32
Damn, that 'covenant' is sickening... Aristus May 2016 #14
Yeah that's some sick crap. These people are crazy. rockfordfile May 2016 #15
Horrifying. Odin2005 May 2016 #16
Also in the OT you can rape a virgin exboyfil May 2016 #19
This opinion/analysis piece doesn't belong in LBN. PSPS May 2016 #21
As if we didn't have enough problems here in Kansas BuelahWitch May 2016 #22
This seems, to me awoke_in_2003 May 2016 #23
Excellent, unexpected imagery. I'm sure you're right! Thanks. n/t Judi Lynn May 2016 #29
You're welcome, Judi Lynn. nt awoke_in_2003 May 2016 #34
this is beyond creepy, sick, twisted and disgusting. I know what I would like to do with those niyad May 2016 #24
Couldnt of put it better myself........ Old Vet May 2016 #42
Ugh, Vyvkie and RawStory? No wonder this story is clickbaity crap. LeftyMom May 2016 #25
right--fundies are characterised by idolatry of The Almightly Fambly and jettisoning any theology MisterP May 2016 #26
What You Need To Know About The ‘Quiverfull’ Movement Judi Lynn May 2016 #27
She certainly is qualified to speak on the subject. Judi Lynn May 2016 #28
She's 100% wrong three words in. The Duggars are Gothardites/ATI, their cult leader is Bill Gothard. LeftyMom May 2016 #30
It comes with a pitch for money, then? Oh, well! Judi Lynn May 2016 #31
It's a common misunderstanding that Quiverful is a group. It's really not, it's a belief. LeftyMom May 2016 #33
Amazing so much insanity can be packed into a single lifetime for these guys. Judi Lynn May 2016 #35
I have the ATI text around somewhere. LeftyMom May 2016 #36
I was raised under Gothardism. Currently, all my materials are with my therapist. Coventina May 2016 #39
ugh Sharia Law - American Style jpak May 2016 #37
Thanks for making me lose my breakfast. sinkingfeeling May 2016 #38
This is but one colony of a perverted world-wide "mission" akin to spiritual eugenics by a bunch of bobthedrummer May 2016 #40
This makes my skin crawl. (nt) apnu May 2016 #41
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