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Scootaloo

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47. It is spin

Tue May 10, 2016, 10:58 PM

May 2016

You asked why Sanders "lost" a primary that means nothing.

I told you why.

You then try to counter by contrasting these numbers and results with those from the caucus, which was meaningful and awarded delegates.

These are two very different scenarios, as I'm sure you know. Had today's primary been meaningful, the results could very well have been very different.

You're trying to change the parameters of the discussion so you can claim a "win".

Now. Question for you. Why is it when Sanders won Nebraska back in March, clinton people on DU dismissed it out of hand "because of demographics" (i.e., evil fucking white people live there! Argh! Snarl!) but now apparently Nebraska is meaningful and important for you guys?

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BREAKING: Clinton wins the Democratic #NebraskaPrimary. @AP race call at 9:49 p.m. [View all] onehandle May 2016 OP

Bernie stole the delegates in NE with a low turnout caucus Renew Deal May 2016 #1

No. What happens is that the caucus voters don't show up to vote in the primary because they know JimDandy May 2016 #60

More people voted in the primary so far than the caucus Renew Deal May 2016 #62

Again, I've explained what happens. JimDandy May 2016 #72

Your explanation doesn't make sense. Renew Deal May 2016 #73

What this means for your candidate, is she didn't inform her voters JimDandy May 2016 #75

From the other thread: There is no reason to argue the things we agree on. Renew Deal May 2016 #93

Thoroughly answered already. Move on. Bye. JimDandy May 2016 #94

Yes, the answer is that caucuses are anti-democratic you can not make an honest argument to counter Renew Deal May 2016 #100

No, it is not intellectual dishonesty. You just seem to simply be ignoring his argument. n/t xocet May 2016 #102

Take your best shot Renew Deal May 2016 #103

How many people voted and on what kind of machines?... dchill May 2016 #2

Looks like they may get 65,000 to 75,000 voters. Edited for error. hrmjustin May 2016 #3

Be precise. Or don't post. dchill May 2016 #10

My mistake but the numbers in now suggest the primary will have more voters than the caucus. hrmjustin May 2016 #12

OK, but it's not binding. It's not a new election. dchill May 2016 #13

It is nonbinding but it will be interesting to see how his campaign explains the loss. hrmjustin May 2016 #16

He WON Nebraska on March 5. dchill May 2016 #18

. hrmjustin May 2016 #20

That's right, and it won't. It is a real non-issue. nt silvershadow May 2016 #37

Oh, but it will definately count in the GE when Hillary meets Trump misterhighwasted May 2016 #77

Except of course that Sanders won, back in March. Scootaloo May 2016 #33

Indeed he did. It is just an interesting result. hrmjustin May 2016 #35

Yup. So is the fact that a cat in Texas has lived to the age of 30 Scootaloo May 2016 #38

Like I've her several Hillary DUers say Omaha Steve May 2016 #44

But you do have to admit it is a suprise she won tonight. hrmjustin May 2016 #45

Sanders is cutting into the lead Omaha Steve May 2016 #50

Ap called it but I like you to see all the results. hrmjustin May 2016 #52

OK a bit surprised Omaha Steve May 2016 #57

Rest well Steve! hrmjustin May 2016 #61

Actually the WV results dont detract from these results for Hillary since this thread is cstanleytech May 2016 #17

Thats what happens when people actually vote. William769 May 2016 #4

Tells you everything you need to know about caucuses! Firebrand Gary May 2016 #5

If Bernie means what he says... CrowCityDem May 2016 #6

Moreover, he should release the number of delegates he won in March beastie boy May 2016 #22

Exactly. He needs to show us that his actions match his talk. nt anotherproletariat May 2016 #70

You mean republicans couldn't vote in a Democratic primary? Kingofalldems May 2016 #7

Neither can independents, which are 35-40% of the electorate and don't trust HRC Feeling the Bern May 2016 #69

How lame. Kingofalldems May 2016 #71

Nice comeback. Refute it. Feeling the Bern May 2016 #76

Real Democratic voters!! No arm twisting caucus, no RWers voting in the Democratic primary. Sancho May 2016 #8

I knew there was a reason Hillary barely won IOWA Omaha Steve May 2016 #99

lol. Nonbinding nobody cares doesn't matter NE primary. Congratulations Mrs. Clinton! Warren Stupidity May 2016 #9

+1 *snort* dchill May 2016 #15

Secretary of State Clinton. nt onehandle May 2016 #19

Former S o S Clinton chwaliszewski May 2016 #48

No, it's Secretary Clinton obamanut2012 May 2016 #82

Not to me it is chwaliszewski May 2016 #83

Ms. Clinton! Hare Krishna May 2016 #79

Sean Hannity! tavernier May 2016 #81

Why did Mr. Sanders lose? hrmjustin May 2016 #21

i would say because... retrowire May 2016 #26

No it is not binding. hrmjustin May 2016 #28

It's just for strutting? Spitfire of ATJ May 2016 #42

It is required by law to be held. hrmjustin May 2016 #43

Probably because his supporters didn't show up for a nonbinding primary that offers no delegates? Scootaloo May 2016 #29

Actually when all is said and done more people will vote for Sanders tonight than in the caucus. hrmjustin May 2016 #31

However you want to spin it, I guess Scootaloo May 2016 #36

You put forward a theory and I said it is not true based on the numbers. hrmjustin May 2016 #41

It is spin Scootaloo May 2016 #47

You said that he probably lost because his fans did not show up for a nonbinding election. hrmjustin May 2016 #55

And had the end result tonoght been meaningful, there could very likely have been a different result Scootaloo May 2016 #58

Because it is shocking she won. Is it meaningful in terms of delegates, no. hrmjustin May 2016 #63

Your posts higher in the thread seem to indicate you thought otherwise Scootaloo May 2016 #65

Demand? I make no demands. I am just talking. hrmjustin May 2016 #68

Don't you mean more will vote for Clinton? brush May 2016 #87

Yes she did but my point was more people voted last night than in the caucus. hrmjustin May 2016 #89

More voted last night in the primary than in the caucus, right? brush May 2016 #90

About 77,000 last night. 33,000 in the caucus. hrmjustin May 2016 #91

Pls edit the title of your previous post brush May 2016 #95

Which number and why? hrmjustin May 2016 #96

#89. It says more voted last night than in the primary brush May 2016 #97

Done and thanks. hrmjustin May 2016 #98

How much did Hillary spend on her campaign in Nebraska again? beastie boy May 2016 #11

Shows more people vote in primaries than caucuses. Chicago1980 May 2016 #14

but Bernie won Nebraska? retrowire May 2016 #23

He won the delegates on March 5th. They had a caucus. hrmjustin May 2016 #24

so... retrowire May 2016 #25

Nebraska like Washington state Democrats decided to hold caucuses. The DNC approved. hrmjustin May 2016 #27

well thanks for filling me in. retrowire May 2016 #30

I assume so. more people are voting tonight than in the caucus. hrmjustin May 2016 #32

why would they do so if they knew the votes changed nothing? nt retrowire May 2016 #34

It is their local primary day. hrmjustin May 2016 #39

what is a local primary day? nt retrowire May 2016 #51

Primaries for local and federal races. hrmjustin May 2016 #59

You realize it doesn't count right? TheFarseer May 2016 #40

Why *would* you go vote when it means nothing? Bernie *can't* win LaydeeBug May 2016 #49

It's probably over, yes TheFarseer May 2016 #67

It does NOT mean nothing to vote for Bernie!!! Herman4747 May 2016 #80

In that it will NOT secure him the nod, it certainly does LaydeeBug May 2016 #85

So you only vote for president? spyker29 May 2016 #64

There's not contested primaries for dems in nebraska TheFarseer May 2016 #66

They had local primaries today and more people turned out to vote in the Dem primary than in the hrmjustin May 2016 #74

The primary is for the rest of the contests � down-ticket races brush May 2016 #88

and since Bernie won the causcus months ago, it doesn't help her math LaydeeBug May 2016 #46

She had not clinched. Bernie has not been mathematically eliminated. morningfog May 2016 #56

This message was self-deleted by its author NRaleighLiberal May 2016 #53

Lol morningfog May 2016 #54

Maybe fix your misleading title? Lordquinton May 2016 #78

Kind of gives a new definition to "breaking news" Act_of_Reparation May 2016 #84

Has been for some time liberal N proud May 2016 #101

This isn't even 'news', especially BREAKING NEWS n/t left-of-center2012 May 2016 #86

Congrats to Clinton rockfordfile May 2016 #92

Hope you all didn't spend too much time or money on that. dchill May 2016 #104

Bernie won the caucuses in March. Hers was a symbolic victory; she gets no delegates. AtomicKitten May 2016 #105