Pakistani activist murdered after praising London for electing first Muslim mayor Sadiq Khan

[Denzil_DC]

108. Well, one can discuss Islam, and/or one can discuss Muslims.

Neither are monolithic.

Discussing it as non-Muslims does more to explore and rehearse our own preconceptions and misconceptions than actually address any of the problems. We're never in dialogue with practicing Muslims. There are a few identified Muslims who are DU members (there's even a very quiet group), but understandably, they don't tend to appear on threads here. Presumably they're not hardliners or they wouldn't have joined a forum like this. They're hardly being made to feel welcome or encouraged to pipe up, other than the very occasional apostate.

And these are not just Muslim problems. We in the West support regimes like Saudi Arabia whose conduct would be a pretext for sanctions and even war if we weren't so intermeshed with them. We serially destabilize entire countries and regions, then wring our hands when a bad (sometimes biddable to our purposes for a time) regime is replaced by a worse one. We're standing by, only mildly inconvenienced so far in comparison, as climate change drives terminal unrest and mass migration. Try pointing that out and you're labelled an Islamic apologist. It's ridiculous.

Too much of the non-Muslim West's conduct does exactly what Khan describes in the quote above.

I'm now waiting for one of our more vociferous anti-Islam/Muslim DU posse to demand whether Khan has condemned the murder! Their rhetoric is very similar to the UK Conservatives' and some of the media's slurs on Khan during the mayoral election campaign. It's shameful. I expected better on a supposed "underground" board.