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(36,421 posts)The claim was: "ironically and tragically, islam clearly kills the progressives and liberals when they get into the majority. like leading sheep to the slaughter."
That's clearly not the case with Indonesia. Pointing to one of its 34 provinces as supporting that statement is like someone pointing to the two US states where discrimination against LGBT is legal and making out it's a widespread thing in the US. Aceh has had a very troubled past, with a violent insurgency that seemed to be cut short after the 2004 tsunami devastated Aceh and left around 200,000 people dead. How much that had to do with the rise of exremism in what is a semi-autonomous province, I'm not sure, but Aceh is no more indicative of Indonesia as a whole than West Papua is. That one's listed as a province, but Indonesia's been carrying out a very violent and brutal occupation of it for many years and Indonesian settlers move there and uproot the indigenous population.
As for religious courts having responsibility for civil matters, Indonesia at least allows appeals to the Indonesian judicial system, which probably isn't as great as it sounds as the judicial system's corrupt but not for any religious reason. Other democracies also give religious courts responsibility for civil matters such as marriage, divorce and family matters, with Israel having both Muslim and Jewish religious courts, a result of Ben Gurion having come to an agreement with religious grous to get their support for the creation of Israel. Personally, I think the idea of any sort of religious court having any control over people is bad, but in cases like Indonesia and Israel they're not some sort of theocracy, but democracies with a flawed civil court system....