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SheilaT

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66. This is a justification or what's already happening.
Thu May 26, 2016, 03:39 AM
May 2016

Former airline employee here. I started as a ticket agent at DCA (Washington National Airport) in January, 1969. Even then, the common rumor was that in the very near future there would be only four major airlines.

Okay, so lots of mergers have happened in the almost fifty years since then, but more to the point is this: by the late 1970's there was already evidence that the airlines had figured out ways to minimize the human factor. And you see it now: Most of you make your reservations on line. And you check in on line, or at a kiosk at the airport. How convenient. But that is EXACTLY why when things go belly up, when flights are delayed or cancelled because of weather or maintenance or because someone prefers to play pinochle to actually working, there are only a fraction of the humans available that should be there to deal with the vast numbers of stranded or inconvenienced passengers.

I can tell you that even back before the computers, we NEVER had enough staff to deal with delays or cancellations. It's only gotten worse since then.

I worked during the entire 1970's. At DCA. National Airport. Which is still there almost entirely because members of Congress find it incredibly convenient. They can make a roll call vote and be at the airport fifteen minutes later. I have no idea if this is still true, but one of the dirty secrets of my time there was that yes, sometimes a flight was delayed so that Congressman or Senator Dipshit could make his flight. It didn't happen very often, if it ever really did. I can go on record as saying in my ten years on the job I don't ever recall that happening with my airline. I cannot speak for any other airline.

Anyway, back to the point of this post. By the late 1970's the prospect of some sort of electronic check-in at the airport was rearing its ugly head. I actually left the job before this happened. But I continued to fly, as a passenger, and saw the creeping, encroaching computerization, or whatever you might call it. For a while I used a travel agent to book my flights. Time passed, and I started booking my flights on line. It was so convenient. At that time I'd check in at the airport, get my boarding pass there. After a while, I'd check in at a kiosk at the airport. These days, like most people who fly, I not only book my flight on line, but I check in on line, even to the extent of letting the airline know how many pieces of luggage I'll be checking. It's wonderfully convenient. But it means that the airline employs a lot fewer people than they used to. As a passenger, I don't give a flying fuck. Unless I'm caught in a major winter storm where a lot of flights are delayed, and others are cancelled. At that point I want to be able to talk to a human being who can re-book me.

I can assure you, it was bad enough back in the day, by which I mean the decade in which I worked, 1969-1979. When things went bad there were never enough of us. There were times when those of us on the afternoon shift -- meaning we were scheduled off between 10pm and 11pm -- called up morning shift around 3am and asked them if they'd be willing to come in early so that we could go home. DCA did not operate 24 hours back then, and yes, that really happened. And this was with a reasonable staffing, long before computerized check in.

Much earlier than that, in 1969, I recall a supervisor commenting that our airline (at the time a small, regional one based out of upstate New York) should staff National Airport (DCA) more than some other stations, as this was the nation's capital, and we should be upholding a certain standard of service. He was right, of course. And of course the airline didn't staff that station any more than any other station. Customer service be damned.

This is only a small window into the entire problem of staffing and customer service. I noticed many years ago, back in those airline days, that the people making decisions about things like staffing have never themselves worked the front lines, have never actually dealt with the customers, haven't a clue what really goes in to the day to day operations of the company.

Some years later I took a few business courses at a local university. One of the truly horrifying things I learned was that in the world of business, all industries were considered fungible, that is that one business was essentially the same as any other. So if you learned to run a dairy farm, for instance, you could also run a women's retail clothing conglomerate. There was no sense whatsoever that any industry or company was significantly from any other. I knew better.

When I started in the airline industry, every airline was still being run by the second generation of men who'd started them. Some of them had started as baggage loaders, and now were presidents, but in any case they'd all been around since the very beginning or very shortly thereafter, and knew where the industry had come from, and probably where it was headed.

By the late 1970's the upper management had been taken over by people who had MBAs. The very same people who'd been told if you can run one business, you can run any other. And they'd never worked a gate or the ramp loading airplanes, and they sure as hell had never written a ticket or checked in a real passenger. Which is essentially why air travel totally sucks today.

I saw the deterioration in the late 1970s, when executives were more and more protected from the realities of the industry. It's only gotten worse.

And so we come to the CEO of McDonald's, who sincerely doesn't think the front line employees need anything close to $15/hour. He has NEVER worked in an actual McDonald's. More to the point, he has NEVER tried to live on minimum wage.

Were I dictator of North America, I would sentence every single person to live for at least six months on minimum wage. Any shorter time doesn't fully uncover what it is like.

Back when I was an airline employee, and making reasonably better than minimum wage, I still had to count my pennies and dimes very carefully. I can recall quite vividly assembling change so that I could buy a meal. And I was, at the risk of repeating myself, making better than minimum wage.


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Once the cost to pay people becomes higher than the cost Press Virginia May 2016 #1
That will happen just as fast with or without the raise. Robots are SO much cheaper than people Baobab May 2016 #30
Yeah but if the cost of the robot is higher than that of a person Press Virginia May 2016 #32
Robots can work 24/7 365 Jesus Malverde May 2016 #41
Such exciting opportunities! redixdoragon May 2016 #42
I don't see the frogs hopping out of the pot Jesus Malverde May 2016 #48
Marginalized?! We're already marginalized redixdoragon May 2016 #50
Employers are not responsible for the community Jesus Malverde May 2016 #55
When we effect the environment around us, we are responsible redixdoragon May 2016 #57
While we largely agree Jesus Malverde May 2016 #59
Then to stop doing harm to the environment redixdoragon May 2016 #63
Businesses are by their very nature going to do whatever they can get away with. Jesus Malverde May 2016 #67
So it seems to be a systemic problem of business. redixdoragon May 2016 #68
Recognize the beast Jesus Malverde May 2016 #71
so what do you do for a living? snooper2 May 2016 #100
Your name, your very name. redixdoragon May 2016 #54
Fear of losing jobs for cannabis prohibition...nt Jesus Malverde May 2016 #56
He is the patron saint lancer78 May 2016 #78
We need new models for everything Baobab May 2016 #112
Thanks to the miracle of mass production, that wont be the case. Baobab May 2016 #105
"John henry ... {laid} ... railroad track for the transcontinental railway." mahatmakanejeeves May 2016 #110
That is why a smart young person would get a degree in something like hydraulic engineering snooper2 May 2016 #99
It's happening already in my area. Kilgore May 2016 #129
They were going to do that anyway. Skink May 2016 #2
No question. They are doing it now, and the numbers will just increase. n/t jtuck004 May 2016 #4
Yes and they are doing it now GreatGazoo May 2016 #53
I suspect that hell has a special place waiting for pricks like him. CentralMass May 2016 #3
As a businessman it's your responsibility to Jesus Malverde May 2016 #44
We are talking about a society that is making the CentralMass May 2016 #64
This idea is not new whatthehey May 2016 #89
Good read Jesus Malverde May 2016 #113
It could be the next great human revolution. katsy May 2016 #104
What nonsense. People have been replaced by machinery since the invention of the wheel. Ikonoklast May 2016 #90
Robots are coming to every job they can, regardless of wages. nt silvershadow May 2016 #5
Every job including CEOs I hope. safeinOhio May 2016 #84
And the robots will break down and you can pay the same worker $100/hr. to fix it. tabasco May 2016 #6
But you only pay one worker, christx30 May 2016 #9
I was thinking just having a robot to replace the cashier. tabasco May 2016 #13
I don't see why not. christx30 May 2016 #18
Robots will diagnose their own part failure, send out for the part Baobab May 2016 #33
NOw there's wallyworld2 May 2016 #51
Outsourcing CEOs could save a fortune too... think May 2016 #7
Hey, Mr. Ex-CEO........ HeartoftheMidwest May 2016 #8
Foxconn replacing '60,000 factory workers with robots' elmac May 2016 #10
After 20 years wages in China are going up Jesus Malverde May 2016 #49
No jobs, no need for McDonalds. Kittycat May 2016 #11
Let robots buy their shitty synthetic 'food' Monk06 May 2016 #40
That's the interesting wrinkle Jesus Malverde May 2016 #52
+1 JudyM May 2016 #96
Bingo! inanna May 2016 #106
I dare them to try it because as much as I enjoy their french fries i would boycott them and any cstanleytech May 2016 #12
They already do this Recursion May 2016 #28
Yes I know about the ordering but that just makes things faster once people get cstanleytech May 2016 #34
I'm not sure I follow you metalbot May 2016 #85
Oh there is plenty of judgement to do in a busy restaurant and besides even cstanleytech May 2016 #98
But will robots Jesus Malverde May 2016 #114
We are going to boycot them redixdoragon May 2016 #43
I will not spend a fucking cent at a place with robots. Greybnk48 May 2016 #14
If you drive a car, or ride in one, you already do Democat May 2016 #86
Workers say thank you tazkcmo May 2016 #87
Already happening. appalachiablue May 2016 #15
Ha! sofa king May 2016 #125
Which proves corporations don't give a rat's ass about people. Lint Head May 2016 #16
umm it's the PEOPLE who are loving and using the kiosks...those millennials wondering where the jobs msongs May 2016 #25
Don't lump this on us. redixdoragon May 2016 #45
I like how it's millenials fault. No evidence just shit against the wall. neverforget May 2016 #74
Damn kidz!!! tazkcmo May 2016 #88
And this CEO made how many millions per year in pay and stock options? Chicago1980 May 2016 #17
Looks like he's earning his multi-million dollar pension thelordofhell May 2016 #19
Anymore all McDonalds is is a staffed vending machine. Gore1FL May 2016 #20
CEOs are the real criminals in this world. Initech May 2016 #21
And, I didn't think McDonald's food could get any worse... mudstump May 2016 #22
I think when folks can't afford McDonalds, no number of robots will be able to eat their own garbage tomm2thumbs May 2016 #23
. silvershadow May 2016 #24
Why aren't there robots in other countries then? DrToast May 2016 #26
Huh? not following your post LOL snooper2 May 2016 #102
Just yesterday I read in DU that Adidas will again manufacture LiberalElite May 2016 #123
Pay people more and they won't eat McDonald's crap. nt OnyxCollie May 2016 #27
Why haven't robots replaced CEOS? Geronimoe May 2016 #29
My husband and I were just talking about eilen May 2016 #79
+1. Bad congresscritters and pols too. Bangalore has a very pleasant climate. appalachiablue May 2016 #108
Because CEO's are just so smart, like this guy underpants May 2016 #131
I hope the robots like McDonald's food andym May 2016 #31
They'll need to make a robot snort May 2016 #35
Sounds like he let the cat out of the bag. The minimum wage increase doesn't matter... C Moon May 2016 #36
"Newest McDonalds CEO's job taken over by robot; other workers safe" nt longship May 2016 #37
Something interesting UnFettered May 2016 #38
No reason hundreds of robots could not be managed. Jesus Malverde May 2016 #116
We should ask his robot housekeeper... Spitfire of ATJ May 2016 #39
The Jetsons coming to McDonald's near you. jillan May 2016 #58
If it's all automated redixdoragon May 2016 #46
These robots need maintenance all the time The_Casual_Observer May 2016 #47
Do you know what McDonalds really deals in? It ain't burgers Press Virginia May 2016 #76
And there you have it. Capitalism in a nutshell. Nothing matters but profits. jillan May 2016 #60
Well robots cost money and they are not infallible.. you have to hire tech people to fix them. YOHABLO May 2016 #61
because robots taking jobs wouldn't have happened otherwise. tenderfoot May 2016 #62
Hell, they want to replace security guards. redixdoragon May 2016 #65
This is a justification or what's already happening. SheilaT May 2016 #66
great post Locrian May 2016 #81
You have a great idea re required minimum wage, but I want a FULL year! raging moderate May 2016 #83
I hear that robots love to eat hamburgers Matariki May 2016 #68
This message was self-deleted by its author Turbineguy May 2016 #70
So much wrong with this statement Trajan May 2016 #72
Something for the Star Trek fans. redixdoragon May 2016 #73
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #75
Doesn't Matter StrayKat May 2016 #77
They start with tech, they die by tech eilen May 2016 #80
So tax the robots - duh pengu May 2016 #82
I'm for anyone or anything that'll get my iced tea order phylny May 2016 #91
I Robot Bayard May 2016 #92
Just justifying future plans. sofa king May 2016 #93
So now they are holding the working class hostage and KPN May 2016 #94
1%'er says, "Fuck workers, give us more money!" tabasco May 2016 #95
^^ this ^^ Myrina May 2016 #109
If a machine can do it faster, better, or cheaper, businesses will buy that machine. Throd May 2016 #97
i hope this spawns a lot of entry level jobs in the robot repair & maintenance field 0rganism May 2016 #101
Assholes of the world should get ready for basic, guaranteed minimum income then. stillwaiting May 2016 #103
I would love to see how kacekwl May 2016 #107
Here's arms at work at the Robotic Pharmacy in San Fran. appalachiablue May 2016 #111
Seems to be kacekwl May 2016 #121
That's a large hospital example where pharma robotics have been applied first. Viewpoints, appalachiablue May 2016 #122
Every time you use self scan at the grocery store, EllieBC May 2016 #115
I like the self checkout because it's christx30 May 2016 #117
Again, you are helping the store eliminate more jobs. EllieBC May 2016 #118
Make the human checkers faster so I don't have to spend christx30 May 2016 #119
Instead of investing in robots, they should azmom May 2016 #120
Because Obviously, They've Been A Dismal Failure In The Restaurant Business ProfessorGAC May 2016 #134
Maybe focusing on the bottom line is the entire azmom May 2016 #135
they would only HAVE to do this if they were just breaking even now yurbud May 2016 #124
when toasters and refrigerators came out the icemen & fireplace toast rack companies weren't happy Sunlei May 2016 #126
That selfish prick wants a tax cut. Darb May 2016 #127
So now Uponthegears May 2016 #128
Bring it on - the workers can then go to work building robots and repairing robots liberal N proud May 2016 #130
Robots are coming to Mickey Dee's no matter what the minimum wage is/will be. no_hypocrisy May 2016 #132
On the positive side, OnDoutside May 2016 #133
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