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SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
30. Many years ago, as in 1980, I was working for the Federal Government.
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 01:00 AM
Jun 2016

In the Army Archives, to be specific. I was a sort of student intern. My history teacher at Northern Virginia Community College had told us about these positions. I applied and was hired.

It was an interesting experience on many levels. First off, it became clear to me very quickly that an important aspect of this position was to adjust the student-interns to such things as going to work on a regular basis. Showing up on time. Stuff like that. I was already over 30, and was far beyond this stuff.

I did several projects in the six months or so I was there. One was the Machine Readable Project. At the time the federal government was in the process of becoming computerized, and this project was intended to establish protocols for saving computer (machine readable) records in a way that more or less matched the standards for paper records. To do this, a survey had been sent out to every army installation around the world asking them what they were doing at that point to preserve these records. I was tasked with collating and turning into another machine readable format (i.e. IBM punchcards) what they'd sent back to us. The woman who instructed me in what to do with these surveys spent over an hour giving me ten minutes' worth of information. She made it clear she thought this would take two weeks or so. I was done in less than two hours. It wasn't hard. But I was in an office where people were painfully under-employed. The particular woman who'd spent so long telling me about this task spent about six hours every day just staring at the wall. She honestly had at best two hours of work every day. At the time I thought she was incompetent, or an idiot, but I've come to understand that it wasn't her fault she had almost nothing to occupy her time.

A bit later, I was assigned the Agent Orange Project. I was to go through a very long list of documents, and fill out order cards calling up those which seemed to have any connection to the Agent Orange stuff in Vietnam. Already Vietnam Vets were claiming that they had illnesses and deformed children because of exposure to the defoliant. I only had the titles of the reports to go by, and I was told that I should err on the side of generosity: anything that looked remotely connected, I should order. The first day I must have filled out fifty orders, and the next day probably a hundred more. The day after that my boss got an angry phone call from the records center saying they couldn't possibly fill those order so quickly. I was restricted to 25 orders per week.

The third project I worked on was a filing project. Keep in mind I was working for the Army Archives, the people who set the rules about what should and should not be retained at U.S. Army installations around the world. They kept huge three ring binders of their rules. The rules were updated periodically. You'd think this was the one place in the entire United States Government and the United States Army that would have these rules completely up to date, wouldn't you? I was assigned to file the updates that no one had gotten to recently. I want to add here that I had been an airline ticket agent for ten years, immediately prior to this job. One of the delightful things I got to do was to update the Rules Tariff, these VERY LARGE binders that had all of the rules and regulations relating to airlines. Things like the routes we flew, the stuff about the clubs at the airports, what we had to do if a flight was cancelled or delayed. Stuff like that. We got updates more or less on a weekly basis. It was a steady part time job to make sure the Rules Tariff was up to date.

So back to my government job. I might want to point out that I was a GS-2, the absolutely lowest of the low. I think there may have been, back before President Lincoln, jobs that were categorized as GS-1, but no longer. In the office I worked in, the next lowest employee was a GS-7. Many of them were GS-9. My own boss was a GS-11, and his boss was a GS-13. The gulf between us was huge. Sort of like an enlisted man just out of basic training, compared to a Colonel or General. Trust me, I don't exaggerate here.

Back to the job. I was often bored, and as you can already see I was vastly more efficient than they were used to. I'd actually gotten in the habit of shuffling between two offices until I figured no one really knew where I was, and I'd go home an hour or so early, because I had nothing to do. It's possible that Dr. Hatcher, my boss, was somewhat on to me, but since I was doing about three or four times the work they expected, he let it slide. In fact, I was told by more than one person that if I'd been a real employee rather than the student intern I was, I'd have been promoted out of there so fast I'd probably not have known what was happening. So I was asked to update the manuals. This was 1980. The last time the manuals had been updated had been 1967. I had TWELVE YEARS of unfiled updates to deal with. TWELVE YEARS!!. The up side was that I was kept occupied for about two, maybe three weeks. At the end, when I had everything caught up, I went into the office of the head honcho, the GS-13, and very tremulously told him that while I didn't mind doing the work, I was horrified that the revisions hadn't been filed for so long. He pressed me as to what I thought should be done, and I finally told him the task should be assigned to someone. And that he, or someone else, needed to monitor this and make sure the revisions were filed. I have no idea if this was done. I suppose, were I to go back there, I'd find unfiled revisions dating back to 1980.

The entire point of this rather lengthy post is that the government is capable of much obstruction, much delay. There simply is not the sense of urgency that exists in the outside world, the notion that getting something done in a timely manner is important. Similarly, the legal profession operates in its own time sense which has almost no connection to the world most of us live in. I've been a paralegal. I know.

The State Department could hire more people. Maybe those who already work there could actually work more than two hours a day. If you turned this over to a mid level law firm they'd be done in a year. To someone like me? Six months.

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Sour grapes, dear? sister_rosa_refried Jun 2016 #1
So, when a Republican uses this bullshit excuse, Kelvin Mace Jun 2016 #18
One can say "Brought to you by the people extending music/video copyrights to author+70 years!" TheBlackAdder Jun 2016 #38
Yeah, both sides do it is such a wonderful excuse Kelvin Mace Jun 2016 #41
HRC - normalizing corrupt behavior one brainwashed supporter at a time - n/t Locrian Jun 2016 #52
+1,000,000 Dont call me Shirley Jun 2016 #67
So if the IRS needs doccuments from me, can I just tell them, I'm a bit busy Travis_0004 Jun 2016 #2
Only way you can get away with it is if said documents need to be gone over to make sure cstanleytech Jun 2016 #4
I have Accountant–client privilege Travis_0004 Jun 2016 #6
Problem being there's little penalty for evading FOIA. HooptieWagon Jun 2016 #3
And this overreaching abuse of the system is proving there shouldn't be. n/t pnwmom Jun 2016 #7
Either you support the Freedom of Information Act or you don't MisterFred Jun 2016 #10
I used to. But when they start asking for 450,000 documents at a time, pnwmom Jun 2016 #11
Nah. MisterFred Jun 2016 #13
All those documents have to be reviewed. It's not just a matter of printing them out. n/t pnwmom Jun 2016 #16
Nevertheless the State Department's purported capacity is not reasonable. strategery blunder Jun 2016 #19
This is just one request among many. The State department staff has other things to pnwmom Jun 2016 #23
And I'm sure State would be more than happy to explain these "other things" strategery blunder Jun 2016 #32
Where were the Democratic party requests for 450,000 pages when Bush was President? pnwmom Jun 2016 #34
A good question, but irrelevant to the current discussion. blackspade Jun 2016 #43
No, not irrelevant. They're abusing the process, just like everything else. pnwmom Jun 2016 #46
So because it is being abused is the excuse for stonewalling? blackspade Jun 2016 #48
I don't see it as stone-walling. I see it as trying to fit those requests into pnwmom Jun 2016 #50
You do realize that answering FOIA does not have anything to do with the... blackspade Jun 2016 #59
And that public records office has a budget and a staff that is stretched pnwmom Jun 2016 #60
Still deliberately missing the point.... blackspade Jun 2016 #69
No budget for? former9thward Jun 2016 #35
Congress sets the State Department budget. nt pnwmom Jun 2016 #61
No the State Department requests a budget. former9thward Jun 2016 #62
Which the congress slashes -- and then passes the slashed version. For example, pnwmom Jun 2016 #63
A slashed version? former9thward Jun 2016 #64
I said there was no budget for ENDLESS requests. That would be impossible pnwmom Jun 2016 #65
State Dept uber alles reddread Jun 2016 #15
except for when it comes to Hillary apparently azurnoir Jun 2016 #17
Let history judge me, politicians are fond of saying. forest444 Jun 2016 #5
"...staff has been spread thin..." mia Jun 2016 #8
Rhetorical question? Or real? WhiteTara Jun 2016 #9
Because the State Department staff has much more important things pnwmom Jun 2016 #12
It's federal law. Complying with it is part of the the responsibility of every federal agency. merrily Jun 2016 #28
Because they don't want to hire anyone. MisterFred Jun 2016 #14
Why? Half our government does not want to fund government. Remember sequestration? eom Festivito Jun 2016 #33
if this is the way FOIA requests are going to be complied with Angel Martin Jun 2016 #20
I think the Corp Media would much rather a lot of the stuff remain hidden. Skwmom Jun 2016 #24
Exactly right. If FOIA requests are going to take decades, hughee99 Jun 2016 #40
to answer that question all you have to do Angel Martin Jun 2016 #49
translation: there's nothing there Skittles Jun 2016 #21
LOL! merrily Jun 2016 #27
We are a Banana Republic. n/t Skwmom Jun 2016 #22
Their excuse is not plausible. Major Hogwash Jun 2016 #25
if you want to validate every Repub Angel Martin Jun 2016 #31
This is unfortunate for Kerry. Sad at this stage of his career. merrily Jun 2016 #26
I think Kerry has handled this entire mess as well as could have done. karynnj Jun 2016 #45
rubbish ! Angel Martin Jun 2016 #51
They are following the FOIA procedures that are law karynnj Jun 2016 #54
printing them on paper rather than Angel Martin Jun 2016 #57
I agree that when you are looking for what fits a criteria - electronic is better karynnj Jun 2016 #66
I know what I am talking about because I have worked Angel Martin Jun 2016 #68
75 years? Really? nt merrily Jun 2016 #53
As I wrote - I do not think they should have said 75 years karynnj Jun 2016 #55
I'm truly sorry. I love how you love Kerry. However, I see this as a blot on his legacy and I merrily Jun 2016 #56
So the Republican Congress should provide funds for he State Department so they can handle Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #29
Many years ago, as in 1980, I was working for the Federal Government. SheilaT Jun 2016 #30
The State Dept couldn't hire more people unless Congress increased its budget. n/t pnwmom Jun 2016 #36
That's why government agencies christx30 Jun 2016 #47
It has never seemed as though people with government jobs SheilaT Jun 2016 #58
The "most transparent administration ever" will be transparent in 75 years. Maybe. Scuba Jun 2016 #37
This is so much bullshit, it's unbelieveable that it was said. zalinda Jun 2016 #39
I do not know why they said 75 years, when they could have said that it can't be done by the end of karynnj Jun 2016 #42
Then hire more staff CJCRANE Jun 2016 #44
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