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80. Cannot be said enough. nt

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Hillary Clinton calls for renewed assault weapons ban: they're a 'weapon of war' [View all] kpete Jun 2016 OP

I agree. romanic Jun 2016 #1

Arming ones self... SusanLarson Jun 2016 #18

A lot of people would disagree with your restrictive, narrow framing of the issue. Igel Jun 2016 #28

More gun nut insanity SusanLarson Jun 2016 #33

I live in Oregon, in the forest, and police found a pot grow less than a mile from my house passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #63

A paranoid person is one of the last people that should carry a gun. tonyt53 Jun 2016 #126

Not too far off point, but 1/3 of those are suicides. AtheistCrusader Jun 2016 #35

What's your point SusanLarson Jun 2016 #37

Firearms are more effective. AtheistCrusader Jun 2016 #42

It's actually 2/3rds of gun deaths are suicide NobodyHere Jun 2016 #85

2/3, actually. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2016 #101

Do you believe sarisataka Jun 2016 #53

Do you believe every defensive gun use is legitimately justified? MillennialDem Jun 2016 #134

An unknown number of instances in which a handgunis used for self-defense are simply not reported. Francis Booth Jun 2016 #64

Because that's such a common event... also many who brandish guns don't know they ARE MillennialDem Jun 2016 #135

No one carries an AR-15 in a war zone. AtheistCrusader Jun 2016 #32

Brave statement - Good for her packman Jun 2016 #2

She is on top of her game bucolic_frolic Jun 2016 #13

Go Hillary lewebley3 Jun 2016 #22

Thatheresque- EXACTLY what I fear! dirtydickcheney Jun 2016 #34

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I had the same reaction. She was a disaster and the comparison does Clinton no favors. nt Mojorabbit Jun 2016 #91

Rick Scott?? NastyRiffraff Jun 2016 #19

K&R! stonecutter357 Jun 2016 #3

K/R Maven Jun 2016 #4

Good. DCBob Jun 2016 #5

Yes! Night Watchman Jun 2016 #6

It is brave mainstreetonce Jun 2016 #7

What happened to incremental steps like health care? gordianot Jun 2016 #8

Ya but I don't recall reading that she actually proposed a ban rather she called for reform. nt cstanleytech Jun 2016 #11

That is smart start as reform high powered semi auto need Federal clearance. gordianot Jun 2016 #14

Then doesn't actually intend on trying to solve the problem (ntxt) scscholar Jun 2016 #30

The only way to solve it would be an outright ban on guns but that isnt likely to happen regardless cstanleytech Jun 2016 #47

Yes. A far better call to action would be Drahthaardogs Jun 2016 #31

This is workable under the 2nd amendment, and I highly support it. AtheistCrusader Jun 2016 #39

Include high capacity magazine eliminate gun show provision and stop straw man purchases. gordianot Jun 2016 #44

That's the point of the NFA registry. AtheistCrusader Jun 2016 #49

I support UBCs and aggressive prosecution of straw purchasers. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2016 #102

Given the wide range of guns that will still be allowed, this is a small but significant action. n/t pnwmom Jun 2016 #146

IMO what we need when it comes to licensing, permits and background checks is cstanleytech Jun 2016 #9

Agreed. nt SunSeeker Jun 2016 #55

How about banning the State Dept from selling them Geronimoe Jun 2016 #10

Get ready for the "two more days" posts to follow. Truth be damned! Ned_Devine Jun 2016 #24

The State Dept. doesn't sell them to civilians, it sells them to governments. SunSeeker Jun 2016 #57

So glad you were able to post this. nt Duval Jun 2016 #73

I like that phrase. I call them Weapons of Mass Destruction, but that's good too. nt onehandle Jun 2016 #12

The sane action Equinox Moon Jun 2016 #15

Yeah, but it'll take action from a repub controlled Congress to get anything done groundloop Jun 2016 #16

k&r.. disillusioned73 Jun 2016 #17

As I mentioned upthread, no one uses AR-15's in war. AtheistCrusader Jun 2016 #41

Irelevant and a strawman.. disillusioned73 Jun 2016 #43

Almost all rifles are 'military styled'. A bolt-action US Model 1917 was, at one point AtheistCrusader Jun 2016 #45

Can a "bolt-action" rifle.. disillusioned73 Jun 2016 #60

You would be surprised. AtheistCrusader Jun 2016 #65

I believe you mean "Charles Whitman" Herman4747 Jun 2016 #124

Sorry! Brain fart. AtheistCrusader Jun 2016 #127

It's the magazines. Go after the magazines. Francis Booth Jun 2016 #66

That's actually the standard sized mag that comes with, and in common use. AtheistCrusader Jun 2016 #123

Huh. I bought a Colt Sporter H-bar back in the day and I could have sworn it came with Francis Booth Jun 2016 #129

I have an older ruger that came with a five-rounder. True. AtheistCrusader Jun 2016 #139

You seem like a reasonable enough person. How do Francis Booth Jun 2016 #140

It's not my preference but I'm willing to compromise. AtheistCrusader Jun 2016 #144

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I, too feel that some compromise is necessary. Francis Booth Jun 2016 #145

She is absolutely right about this. potone Jun 2016 #20

K & R davidthegnome Jun 2016 #21

Ms. Clinton is correct on this . . FairWinds Jun 2016 #23

Shall we help her out from under DU's bus yet IronLionZion Jun 2016 #25

She's right. deathrind Jun 2016 #26

Why limit this to assault weapons? LonePirate Jun 2016 #27

Do you know what involved to do that? apnu Jun 2016 #38

The choice is simple: repeal & replace or deal with more massacres. Which do you want? LonePirate Jun 2016 #51

You are a distinct minority, and would likely get a 2nd that clearly affirms an individual right. Marengo Jun 2016 #119

No, all we have to do is appoint a progressive Supreme Court Justice. SunSeeker Jun 2016 #54

This is what republicans want to do to Roe vs Wade. AtheistCrusader Jun 2016 #56

That is how our Supreme Court works. Heller is just an opinion, not the Constitution. SunSeeker Jun 2016 #59

think we need a constitutional amendment guaranteeing reproductive freedom for individuals AtheistCrusader Jun 2016 #62

What other parts of the Bill of Rights do you want to abolish "to keep us safe"? Odin2005 Jun 2016 #71

What other parts of the Bill of Rights enable people to murder dozens of others in a few minutes? LonePirate Jun 2016 #75

You are much more likely to see a TeddyR Jun 2016 #78

If so, then people value death over life in this country. LonePirate Jun 2016 #79

Amazing what some call Constitutional rights these days... SunSeeker Jun 2016 #92

The 4th comes to mind. Imagine all of the crime law enforcement could prevent... Marengo Jun 2016 #120

Maybe the 3rd as well. Imagine how much safer we could be if the well-meaning... Marengo Jun 2016 #121

It would start a civil war at coast to coast small points of conflict AntiBank Jun 2016 #100

So? The government has armor. An AR-15 isn't going to penetrate a tank. MillennialDem Jun 2016 #128

are you insane? you would start a conflict where probably over 100,000 people would die AntiBank Jun 2016 #130

Not what I was saying. If there was a civil war I'm saying private guns won't do shit MillennialDem Jun 2016 #131

well, of course, but the inference was that a civil war was "ok" because the military would win AntiBank Jun 2016 #132

I am calling for an absolute ban. The gun nuts try to claim they will engage in civil war, but MillennialDem Jun 2016 #133

I truly think you are profoundly wrong.You are literally talking about opening up a multiple century AntiBank Jun 2016 #137

I will not surrender this fight. And lack of guns is not tyranny. MillennialDem Jun 2016 #138

Republicans on hot seat over gun control RogerM Jun 2016 #29

Can't take Constitutional rights away without a court order askeptic Jun 2016 #36

No, what we can do is overturn the ridiculous 5-4 Heller decision. SunSeeker Jun 2016 #50

I think you're looking through rose colored glasses Calista241 Jun 2016 #70

Heller denies Americans the funtamental right to live. SunSeeker Jun 2016 #74

Heller states that citizens have the right to keep guns for lawful purposes Calista241 Jun 2016 #76

Heller overrules the rights of a majority of citizens in a democracy. SunSeeker Jun 2016 #81

Heller is rather specific about possession in the home. Calista241 Jun 2016 #82

Heller rewrote the 2nd Am and ignored precedent and history behind the 2nd Am. SunSeeker Jun 2016 #84

Just because the dissent made some arguments TeddyR Jun 2016 #112

No, Justice TeddyR, the Heller Dissent argument was correct. SunSeeker Jun 2016 #113

Even the Heller dissent says its an individual right. beevul Jun 2016 #125

The Dissent does NOT say the 2nd Am contains an individual right to guns. SunSeeker Jun 2016 #136

If it hurt to be wrong, you'd be in pain right now. beevul Jun 2016 #141

You intentially mischaracterized the Dissent. It is you who is wrong. NT SunSeeker Jun 2016 #142

Yes, I get it. beevul Jun 2016 #143

And yet most state constitutions phrase it like this: AtheistCrusader Jun 2016 #147

Heller TeddyR Jun 2016 #105

Heller legitimized that view with the imprimatur of the US Supreme Court. SunSeeker Jun 2016 #109

I disagree TeddyR Jun 2016 #110

Of course you do. SunSeeker Jun 2016 #115

I'm in favor of background checks TeddyR Jun 2016 #118

I don't think we want to start subjecting constitutional rights to the whims of a majority TeddyR Jun 2016 #111

Majority? Hell, it is already subjected to the whims of a handful of Supreme Court Justices. SunSeeker Jun 2016 #114

Oh, no doubt TeddyR Jun 2016 #117

there has to be a balance LiberalLovinLug Jun 2016 #67

Sometimes a cartoon says it best: L. Coyote Jun 2016 #40

+1 sarae Jun 2016 #61

K & R SunSeeker Jun 2016 #46

Its a losing issue duplex Jun 2016 #48

Thank you, Sec Clinton! mcar Jun 2016 #58

She made a good speech. ananda Jun 2016 #68

"cut it out" Ned Flanders Jun 2016 #106

Because it worked so well last time... ManiacJoe Jun 2016 #72

Because you can't ban people. No more NRA talking points! Feeling the Bern Jun 2016 #86

If only I had used an NRA talking point. ManiacJoe Jun 2016 #87

Dealing with the gun is easier Feeling the Bern Jun 2016 #88

It usually stands that doing the right thing is not the easier thing. ManiacJoe Jun 2016 #89

You go hug your gun, I'm putting you on ignore. Feeling the Bern Jun 2016 #90

How is it easier? Lizzie Poppet Jun 2016 #103

The Assault Weapons Ban did work. SunSeeker Jun 2016 #93

That link does not support your claim. ManiacJoe Jun 2016 #94

Look at the mass shootings graph at the link. nt SunSeeker Jun 2016 #95

I saw it the first time. ManiacJoe Jun 2016 #96

Sadly, mass shootings are no longer rare. SunSeeker Jun 2016 #97

Boo Sgent Jun 2016 #77

Cannot be said enough. nt eastwestdem Jun 2016 #80

Thank you Sec Clinton! riversedge Jun 2016 #83

While we are at it, let's stop making them. nt JEB Jun 2016 #98

I wonder how this will be received in FL and OH Lonusca Jun 2016 #99

I'm voting for her despite her views on gun control. NaturalHigh Jun 2016 #104

So why even try? Ned Flanders Jun 2016 #107

I'm all for universal health care. NaturalHigh Jun 2016 #108

I understand the frustrations of current laws Ned Flanders Jun 2016 #116

Keep in mind the AR-15 is NOT an assault rifle... Hawkmoon369 Jun 2016 #122