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74. If you had free speech, one which allows the Media to report the truth, you'd never have

Wed Jun 15, 2016, 11:39 AM

Jun 2016

illegally invaded Iraq. For all your feather spitting you've failed to convince anyone of the so called superiority of your system. Our press with our anti hate speech legislation is far freer and far more honest than yours.

You talk about holding the government to your account, but for all your supposed free speech that never happened. Instead you support those who spread hate in a knee jerk response to anything that appears to threaten your precious constitution.

Instead of talking about MLK who didn't use hate speech why don't you talk of the "good" that the hate merchants you support have done? You can't so you give a load of platitudes about something that wouldn't be affected by anti hate speech legislation because you can't deal with the issue of hate speech.

You sound like the Pope railing against the concept that the Earth goes round the sun and not vice versa. It's the 21st Century, not the 18th.

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Orlando played host to Muslim speaker�s call for death to gays, just weeks ago [View all] AntiBank Jun 2016 OP

...and pretty much every city in America plays host to Christian fundamentalists with the same Chakab Jun 2016 #1

In Orlando though, an Islamic extremist Gay hating sicko King_David Jun 2016 #5

Mommy, Johnnny did it too! The excuse of toddlers, whining toddlers. 50 killed. Do not dismiss it. Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #6

I wasn't excusing a fucking thing. That's what YOU'RE doing. I'm demonstrating Chakab Jun 2016 #48

Deflection. romanic Jun 2016 #16

See post 48. Chakab Jun 2016 #49

Not really. Inflammatory rhetoric against gays is as common in churches as in mosques Warpy Jun 2016 #77

Not in our Episcopal Church - we dance, drink good scotch and the Anglican Communication suspended 24601 Jun 2016 #83

Thank you for posting this. It is not just Radical Islamists who are calling for violence against JudyM Jun 2016 #18

And yet there's a difference. Igel Jun 2016 #29

Violence against LGBTs can come from any angle... in the US it's a mish mosh of reasons, JudyM Jun 2016 #36

This is really like pointing to black racism in response to manifestations of white racism. David__77 Jun 2016 #20

Sorry, that wasn't my intention at all. I meant to point out that this type of retrograde Chakab Jun 2016 #43

My sense is there is defensiveness talking about Islamic anti-homosexuality. David__77 Jun 2016 #46

Look, I'm not wading into this argument about the "regressive left" and whether or not Chakab Jun 2016 #54

Yep, just ask the people in Rwanda. raccoon Jun 2016 #88

So it's okay then? melman Jun 2016 #25

Ah, no. It's just as bad. Right wing hate preachers should elicit the same Chakab Jun 2016 #44

I agree with mobilizing against antigay houses of worship David__77 Jun 2016 #47

That's my point. This event should be the catalyst to stamp this Chakab Jun 2016 #51

+1. JudyM Jun 2016 #52

pathetic. Jesus Malverde Jun 2016 #64

I didn't watch all of those, but that "person" in the second video would fit in well with ISIS PersonNumber503602 Jun 2016 #104

This is a sick effing country. ReRe Jun 2016 #2

I'm told he is in Australia now whirlygigspin Jun 2016 #3

Are you speaking of the Muslim Scholar? ReRe Jun 2016 #4

That you call a Scholar? Hate monger. Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #7

That's how the article described him. ReRe Jun 2016 #10

He fled Australia as they were going to cancel his visa. Jesus Malverde Jun 2016 #71

For all we know... ReRe Jun 2016 #72

Malcolm Turnbull orders urgent visa review of anti-gay Islamic cleric Farrokh Sekaleshfar whirlygigspin Jun 2016 #61

"plays host" is an odd way of stating that someone happened to speak in a particular place. FailureToCommunicate Jun 2016 #8

It sems like standard usage daleo Jun 2016 #66

Yes of course the venue is hosting, but the headline sorta suggests the city of Orlando hosted him. FailureToCommunicate Jun 2016 #68

I see your point now daleo Jun 2016 #103

Sick, sick, sick!!! What a POS scumbag pig! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2016 #9

This is what happens when you fetishise free speech. Bad Dog Jun 2016 #11

Germany learned that lesson 47of74 Jun 2016 #12

So you stand in opposition to our First Amendment? Akicita Jun 2016 #15

I don't give a monkeys about your first ammendment Bad Dog Jun 2016 #21

I agree with you on the topic of hate speech. smirkymonkey Jun 2016 #53

Thanks. Bad Dog Jun 2016 #57

You should make a list of 'naughty' topics... TipTok Jun 2016 #85

That man is not a US citizen. David__77 Jun 2016 #22

Good point. Akicita Jun 2016 #58

+1...nt Jesus Malverde Jun 2016 #65

What you call hate speech christx30 Jun 2016 #17

What a load of rubbish. Bad Dog Jun 2016 #23

After the rapes in Germany by migrants on New Years eve, christx30 Jun 2016 #26

That's not the same thing at all. Bad Dog Jun 2016 #27

As they should have been philosslayer Jun 2016 #28

I prefer the freedom to say whatever I want. christx30 Jun 2016 #30

Dangerous Orwellian talk. Who gets to decide what is hate speech? Akicita Jun 2016 #59

Parliament. Bad Dog Jun 2016 #60

When the press is too corrupt to do its job is when freedom of speech becomes even more Akicita Jun 2016 #62

The speech you wish to protect isn't holding the government to account. Bad Dog Jun 2016 #67

Speech inciting violence is illegal over here too. Speech by people saying they hate this or hate Akicita Jun 2016 #69

Even when the result is 50 dead people? Bad Dog Jun 2016 #70

Free speech does not legitimize hate speech. It opens people who say ridiculous things to Akicita Jun 2016 #73

If you had free speech, one which allows the Media to report the truth, you'd never have Bad Dog Jun 2016 #74

Have you read a newspaper lately? Even a corrupt one would inform you that the citizenry overthrew Akicita Jun 2016 #75

Your defence of hate speech has allowed you to elect a Fascist as Republican nominee. Bad Dog Jun 2016 #79

We have a saying over here on this side of the pond that we may not agree with what our opponents Akicita Jun 2016 #80

I've heard it. Bad Dog Jun 2016 #81

The one good reason is that you can never trust the deciders of what is or is not hate speech. Akicita Jun 2016 #92

Paranoid nonsense. Bad Dog Jun 2016 #95

Government controlled speech would allow the media to report the truth? Get a grip. Was Pravda your Akicita Jun 2016 #91

You're living in a fantasy world. Bad Dog Jun 2016 #94

Did you not say that government is the decider of what is hate speech? Therefore government controls Akicita Jun 2016 #96

It's not that simple at all. Bad Dog Jun 2016 #97

I know that in the real world government control of speech worked real well for Stalin and the Akicita Jun 2016 #98

Changing the subject to Stalin. Bad Dog Jun 2016 #100

The subject is government control of speech. Stalin is an example of why I am against it. Akicita Jun 2016 #101

The subject is whether or not hate speech should be afforded protection. Bad Dog Jun 2016 #105

I'm hurt you don't care about my lineage. After all, we may be related. My ancestors used to rape Akicita Jun 2016 #108

Well said. Sand Rat Expat Jun 2016 #89

I would add slander to the speech that should be criminalized. For example, accusing someone of a Akicita Jun 2016 #93

It's also the fetishizing of anti-LGBT hate speech. JudyM Jun 2016 #19

It is. Bad Dog Jun 2016 #24

Exactly! This is a prime opportunity for the media to delve into hatred of LGBTs, and all they can JudyM Jun 2016 #35

It's happening over here too. Bad Dog Jun 2016 #37

Homophobic terrorism, he called it, yes, that is a good term for it! And good for him! This is JudyM Jun 2016 #39

I know. Bad Dog Jun 2016 #40

Your points about fetishizing hate speech & the exasperation of that gay journalist would make JudyM Jun 2016 #42

It was Will Self who first said it. Bad Dog Jun 2016 #45

LOL. IKWYM. I started a related one.. JudyM Jun 2016 #50

Sky News bashing Trump! AntiBank Jun 2016 #41

I don't blame him for walking out. Aerows Jun 2016 #56

I think certain members on the public, (on both sides of the Atlantic,) Bad Dog Jun 2016 #109

I think that Mateen's motives were personal. Feeling rejection made him click > YOHABLO Jun 2016 #106

He clearly had issues regarding his own sexuality. Bad Dog Jun 2016 #110

So I'll put you in the anti-free speech category... TipTok Jun 2016 #84

So I'll put you in the don't understand what's going on category. Bad Dog Jun 2016 #90

Don't we have enough of our own crazy clergy? mountain grammy Jun 2016 #13

killing LGBT is EXACTLY what he meant and said. there are AntiBank Jun 2016 #14

We have played host to a number of right wing conservative hosts that talk hate rockfordfile Jun 2016 #31

We need the Fairness Doctrine back that Raygun helped abolish. AntiBank Jun 2016 #32

and yet draw a cartoon and see how easily feelings get hurt MariaThinks Jun 2016 #33

they lock people up in prison here for doing brutal satirical art that delves into racial and religi AntiBank Jun 2016 #34

The shooter came from Port Saint Lucie, about 120 miles away. KamaAina Jun 2016 #38

Underneath ymetca Jun 2016 #55

Radical Islam is incompatible with western culture. Jesus Malverde Jun 2016 #63

Stop trying to blame this on a group not responsible! scscholar Jun 2016 #76

Hardly... TipTok Jun 2016 #86

Plenty of blame to go around -nt Bradical79 Jun 2016 #99

Husseini Islamic Center should apologize for hosting such hatemongers... Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #78

Do you think they will? Quantess Jun 2016 #82

Not if they don't want their building burned and their leadership murdered... TipTok Jun 2016 #87

And the Republican Party says he should have the right to own guns BlackLivesMatter Jun 2016 #102

only way is to focus on the type of weapons, magazines, ammo AntiBank Jun 2016 #107