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bemildred

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23. I don't believe I said anything about what you said.
Fri Jul 15, 2016, 03:54 PM
Jul 2016

Erdogan has been attempting to reverse course on some of his past bad decisions, for a week or two now. That was a sign. Those of us who follow Erdogan have been waiting for it, and he has it coming, so to speak, and the conventional wisdom would be that the military ejecting him from office is a good thing for almost everybody else.

That idea may well be what prompted the military to make its move.

I tend to favor that idea too, but I know enough not to get too optimistic until the dust settles and we see who the replacements are.

And things are very messy there already, the civil war may get worse from this, the jihadis won't take it lying down, the military may not all unite around the new leaders, and various other parties may seek to take advantage of the situation.

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Turkish military blocks Istanbul bridges MowCowWhoHow III Jul 2016 #1
What's Going on in Turkey? bemildred Jul 2016 #2
I'm not sure I am rooting for anyone here eom rjsquirrel Jul 2016 #7
That would be premature. nt bemildred Jul 2016 #8
Even in the abstract rjsquirrel Jul 2016 #15
There ain't no cure for some kinds of stupid. bemildred Jul 2016 #18
Didn't say it would succeed rjsquirrel Jul 2016 #20
I don't believe I said anything about what you said. bemildred Jul 2016 #23
You seem to be arguing with me but rjsquirrel Jul 2016 #28
Have a nice day. nt bemildred Jul 2016 #29
You too! rjsquirrel Jul 2016 #83
Celebratory gunshots reverberate across Syrian capital, after Turkey coup news bemildred Jul 2016 #85
CNN just showed civilians shot on the street rjsquirrel Jul 2016 #86
Yep. Hard to say how far the violence will go. bemildred Jul 2016 #87
This message was self-deleted by its author uawchild Jul 2016 #92
This message was self-deleted by its author uawchild Jul 2016 #95
Root for the military--it may seem counterintuitive, but they are the "good guys" MADem Jul 2016 #58
I'm afraid the coup will fail and Yupster Jul 2016 #135
Looks like it already has failed--it is all over but the tears. MADem Jul 2016 #136
Turkish Prime Minister just said it's a coup. Daemonaquila Jul 2016 #3
Turkish Prime Minister Binali Yildirim says a group within the military engaged in an attempted coup bemildred Jul 2016 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author maxsolomon Jul 2016 #5
Reading on Twitter that .. ananda Jul 2016 #6
What a week? How about what a year Wednesdays Jul 2016 #88
Reminds me of Egypt 6chars Jul 2016 #9
A little different. MADem Jul 2016 #114
Who are the good guys? left-of-center2012 Jul 2016 #10
TBD MowCowWhoHow III Jul 2016 #11
a military coup would probably keep u.s. ties 6chars Jul 2016 #12
I wouldn't say he's hugely popular. Calista241 Jul 2016 #119
No one. Every one. nt geek tragedy Jul 2016 #13
Well, Erdoğan is a little too friendly with ISIS for my personal christx30 Jul 2016 #25
Um, we aid Honduras. a la izquierda Jul 2016 #67
There was an issue with aid to Egypt after the coups there in 2013. christx30 Jul 2016 #73
Erdogan is a thug. bdwker Jul 2016 #27
In Turkey, it's more like Bad and Worse. n/t Mopar151 Jul 2016 #32
Erdogan is an Islamist who kept weapons flowing to Isis AntiBank Jul 2016 #46
he bought oil from Isis until the Russians blew up the trucks, and kills off the Kurds in Turkey and larkrake Jul 2016 #144
I cannot imagine a coup being an event on net adverse to US security. David__77 Jul 2016 #97
Turkish military says it has taken over left-of-center2012 Jul 2016 #14
I called this way back in May. lordcommander Jul 2016 #19
"I called this way back in May" left-of-center2012 Jul 2016 #54
Nope. lordcommander Jul 2016 #134
I don't know enough to comment on whether this is a good thing or a bad thing; but, ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #33
I think in Turkey is kind of is. Kali Jul 2016 #51
In Turkey, it sort of is. The goal of the military when they "intervene" is to MADem Jul 2016 #66
What will Trump say? left-of-center2012 Jul 2016 #16
He'd be better off keeping his trap shut--I doubt he could find Turkey on a map! nt MADem Jul 2016 #68
Where's the stuffing? nt awoke_in_2003 Jul 2016 #90
THREAD WIN!!!!! MADem Jul 2016 #115
Woo Hoo awoke_in_2003 Jul 2016 #116
Trump would say: left-of-center2012 Jul 2016 #121
In Ankara, Turkey, Reports of Gunfire and Tanks in Streets Amid "Military Intervention" bemildred Jul 2016 #17
Turkey's top general 'held hostage' at military HQ: state agency MowCowWhoHow III Jul 2016 #21
could get ugly 6chars Jul 2016 #34
As Turtle Man would say, "Live Action!" yourpaljoey Jul 2016 #22
Erdogan must have been a lovuian Jul 2016 #24
Turkish President Erdogan safe, being taken to secret location by forces loyal to him MowCowWhoHow III Jul 2016 #26
Not sure what country he's in, though muriel_volestrangler Jul 2016 #30
So would it be safe to guess..... HeartoftheMidwest Jul 2016 #59
Not necessarily - see #62 - Erdogan claims it's the Gulenists muriel_volestrangler Jul 2016 #64
Will do. HeartoftheMidwest Jul 2016 #71
It seems a given that Erdogan would seek to scapegoat someone for the coup. HeartoftheMidwest Jul 2016 #76
All I can think it means is: don't assume it's one faction rather than another muriel_volestrangler Jul 2016 #80
If that's the case, this'll be the first time the Turkish military has "lost." MADem Jul 2016 #120
Turkey army group announces takeover on TV bemildred Jul 2016 #31
Military is fed up with the Islamist direction that Ankara has been headed. Socal31 Jul 2016 #35
+10000 nt lordcommander Jul 2016 #41
Agree. Military tends to be secular. mainer Jul 2016 #49
Soldiers have reportedly taken control of state broadcaster TRT . - @Jakoben1789 MowCowWhoHow III Jul 2016 #36
Civilians rush to withdraw money from ATM machines in #Turkey as military attempts coup. MowCowWhoHow III Jul 2016 #37
Not necessarily a bad thing... BooScout Jul 2016 #38
U.S. SAYS ITS CITIZENS IN TURKEY SHOULD SHELTER IN PLACE MowCowWhoHow III Jul 2016 #39
Facebook, Twitter And YouTube Blacked Out In Turkey Amid Fears Of Attempted Coup Purveyor Jul 2016 #40
A friend posted from Istanbul on FB about 10 minutes ago. bluedigger Jul 2016 #84
Announcer on Turkey's TRT says country is now run by a "Peace Council" MowCowWhoHow III Jul 2016 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author Adsos Letter Jul 2016 #43
Turkish presidential source says #Turkey's democratically elected President Erdogan in power MowCowWhoHow III Jul 2016 #44
Ha! Erdogan is reduced to skyping in!! MowCowWhoHow III Jul 2016 #45
How embarrassing! NWCorona Jul 2016 #61
Chief of Turkey’s General Staff and a number of high level military officials taken hostage bemildred Jul 2016 #47
Not the first time this has happened, and likely not the last. MADem Jul 2016 #48
+10000000 mainer Jul 2016 #53
It's been awhile since that last one (late nineties, I think?) but it used to happen regularly. MADem Jul 2016 #55
Exactly! The Turks take a very long view of things and have a history that goes back thousands of Warpy Jul 2016 #89
Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan 'flees country in private jet' after military launches coup bemildred Jul 2016 #50
Well, that's good news--that guy is a total shit. nt MADem Jul 2016 #72
I do get the feeling that Erdogan was taken by surprise. bemildred Jul 2016 #77
Yeah, he's blustering like mad as he runs like hell! MADem Jul 2016 #91
That is what it looks like, trying to bullshit his way through. bemildred Jul 2016 #93
LOL--that's it, exactly. The last coup (and they've all been successful) was in the late 90s, IIRC. MADem Jul 2016 #108
Our military was also caught completely flatfooted Warpy Jul 2016 #107
If we had a clue, we'd have been required to notify our NATO ally. MADem Jul 2016 #127
Turkish President Erdogan: Speaking on cell phone to CNN bemildred Jul 2016 #52
Interesting to see how this plays out rockfordfile Jul 2016 #56
it's free and live - deal with it. MowCowWhoHow III Jul 2016 #57
There is no internet in Turkey at all right now--very hard to get info. MADem Jul 2016 #74
Strong explosion heard in Turkish capital Ankara: AFP MowCowWhoHow III Jul 2016 #60
BBC says it's getting unconfirmed reports of copters firing on TV building (nt) muriel_volestrangler Jul 2016 #69
Erdoğan blames Gulenist network muriel_volestrangler Jul 2016 #62
The US has Gulen stashed in the Poconos AngryAmish Jul 2016 #75
Whether they are involved is far from clear muriel_volestrangler Jul 2016 #79
Forgive us for what? Blue_Tires Jul 2016 #103
Thank you. giftedgirl77 Jul 2016 #128
+1,000! nt MADem Jul 2016 #130
Twitter Feed al bupp Jul 2016 #63
I think we now know why Erdogan was trying to smooth things out with Russia and Israel. NWCorona Jul 2016 #65
Turkish Public Broadcaster Under Heavy Gunfire From Helicopters bemildred Jul 2016 #70
State-Run Rews Agency Reports Military Helicopters Have Attacked Headquarters Of TURKSAT Satellite Purveyor Jul 2016 #78
Turkey's state-run Anadolu Agency reporting military helicopter has attacked Ankara police headquart bemildred Jul 2016 #81
US State Dept tells Americans in #Turkey NOT to go to US Embassy and to shelter in place. MowCowWhoHow III Jul 2016 #82
Smart move--the Turkish military is probably not going to fiddle-fart around. MADem Jul 2016 #101
BBC reports Reuters says Turkish TV (!) claims jet has shot down helicopter muriel_volestrangler Jul 2016 #94
Turkish F-16s shoot down helicopter carrying 'coup plotters': NTV television MowCowWhoHow III Jul 2016 #96
Holy Cow. uawchild Jul 2016 #98
There was a crash of a military helicopter in Turkey a week and a half ago. mahatmakanejeeves Jul 2016 #149
updates from RT uawchild Jul 2016 #99
updates from BBC uawchild Jul 2016 #100
Anadolu: Jets seeking to engage rebel helicopters over Ankara uawchild Jul 2016 #102
two guesses DonCoquixote Jul 2016 #104
News saying Erdogan has fled to Germany. ??? misterhighwasted Jul 2016 #105
A reclusive religious scholar in Pennsylvania may be behind the attempted coup in Turkey uawchild Jul 2016 #106
Turkish parliament in Ankara hit by bombing: state news agency MowCowWhoHow III Jul 2016 #109
This will not end well uawchild Jul 2016 #110
If it's not over by 12:00 UTC on Saturday, then it's shit meet fan time MowCowWhoHow III Jul 2016 #111
Erdogan seems to be regaining control uawchild Jul 2016 #112
This is crazy. romanic Jul 2016 #113
Large explosion in #Ankara in the last few minutes. MowCowWhoHow III Jul 2016 #117
Was that the helicopter carrying the coup leaders being shot down? nt MADem Jul 2016 #122
Don't think so, doesn't fit the timeline MowCowWhoHow III Jul 2016 #123
I still don't know what's going on!! MADem Jul 2016 #129
I might have high standards re: crushing coups MowCowWhoHow III Jul 2016 #131
If he prevails, there are gonna be executions a-plenty...and it will be that much harder for MADem Jul 2016 #138
and there is a cat in the photo....i hope it is ok Alameda Jul 2016 #132
That cat is looking at that cop like "What are you doing in MY neighborhood? These streets are MINE MADem Jul 2016 #139
Graphic video of casualties in front of the main Turkish armed forces HQ MowCowWhoHow III Jul 2016 #118
damn AntiBank Jul 2016 #126
Just read on Al Jazeera that the coup had failed... Deuce Jul 2016 #124
Well it's not going swimmingly, but it's not quite over yet. MowCowWhoHow III Jul 2016 #125
Good: this is a very bad way to form a government. cpwm17 Jul 2016 #133
It's different in Turkey Warpy Jul 2016 #137
Seems like the coup failed - good. n/t Little Tich Jul 2016 #140
Erdogan is an Islamist who's has secretly sided with ISIS brentspeak Jul 2016 #141
Erdogan can be removed from office by popular vote - how do you vote to remove a military junta? n/t Little Tich Jul 2016 #142
Are you serious? Democat Jul 2016 #145
Yes, a good thing! Here's to hoping Erdogan cleans up the mess. harun Jul 2016 #146
Live Reddit news feed (some unconfirmed) steve2470 Jul 2016 #143
07:00 UTC : Coup btfo MowCowWhoHow III Jul 2016 #147
love images rafeh1 Jul 2016 #148
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