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Hortensis

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62. Impressive resume offered, sounds like fun, BUT

Thu Dec 8, 2016, 07:51 PM

Dec 2016

my understanding from reading what many experts have said is that the info gathering and analysis by the campaigns themselves (or for them by plutocrat-funded shadow operations) is the best available courtesy of those billion-dollar budgets campaigns have now. Pollsters and political statisticians and scientists who are not among those inside one of the campaigns can't begin to compete.

Again, though, a whole lot of considerations go into these decisions, not just numbers. I am simply not the kind of person who'd believe a candidate would be a good, competent president and then turn around and decide in frustration that the same candidate would be too stupid and feckless to deal with this situation responsibly and competently.

Have a nice evening.

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Federal judge ends Michigan presidential recount [View all] FBaggins Dec 2016 OP

Maybe it's time for oldtime dfl_er Dec 2016 #1

And do what? This is a Judge of Obama's picking...confirmed 89 zip in a Democratic Nancyswidower Dec 2016 #2

Democrat controlled Senate, eh? LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #22

Yes...The Senate confirmed Goldsmith on June 21, 2010 Nancyswidower Dec 2016 #41

That would DemocratIC Senate, which was the point you missed. You're welcome. LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #42

An auto correct on my phone..I get the Nit you are picking...I fixed it.. Nancyswidower Dec 2016 #44

Democrat controlled Senate? Democrat? nt. Peigan68 Dec 2016 #23

Yes...The Senate confirmed Goldsmith on June 21, 2010 Nancyswidower Dec 2016 #40

I guess the republics voted for Goldsmith, too wordpix Dec 2016 #45

LOL love that word "republics" golfguru Dec 2016 #85

Democrats know about the Senate...so why don't you? Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #43

Maybe Hillary should have filed for the recount Travis_0004 Dec 2016 #3

Because Hillary is not stupid golfguru Dec 2016 #5

Having done post-election litigation myself, your comments are disappointing Land Shark Dec 2016 #17

Thanks for saying this, Land Shark. elleng Dec 2016 #24

yes oldtime dfl_er Dec 2016 #36

Unaudited elections aren't okay. But H's campaign Hortensis Dec 2016 #51

They DO NOT AND DID NOT have evidence to comb over. Land Shark Dec 2016 #52

No forensics, no ballots is no evidemce. Land Shark Dec 2016 #53

Yes, they did. You might read their statements of Hortensis Dec 2016 #56

Where is this "evidence" and why is it not available? Brief summaries, rofl Land Shark Dec 2016 #57

Wondering at this point who you voted for and why. Hortensis Dec 2016 #58

The main competent people are involved in supporting the recount efforts now Land Shark Dec 2016 #60

By supporting I don't mean to imply any official role in the recounts Land Shark Dec 2016 #61

Impressive resume offered, sounds like fun, BUT Hortensis Dec 2016 #62

"Defeated" candidates are in a poor position to defend democracy; nothing against the candidate Land Shark Dec 2016 #64

Thanks for the discussion. I've often wondered, Hortensis Dec 2016 #65

Anyone planning on stealing an election would go HEAVY NEGATIVE, here's bottom line Land Shark Dec 2016 #66

"...every election would be suspect until proven legitimate." Hortensis Dec 2016 #69

Yes, very nice to talk to you and come to agreement too. :) nt Land Shark Dec 2016 #71

Excuse me, but it is a RECOUNT, and NOT an investigation into fraud. golfguru Dec 2016 #74

Electronic voting is fine so long as... golfguru Dec 2016 #92

You repeat the lies of old about Stein with no proof. The payment to Wisconsin was no myth. Ford_Prefect Dec 2016 #18

Florida 2000 was the mother of all recounts golfguru Dec 2016 #72

You do not need proof for what is obvious golfguru Dec 2016 #73

Multiple state and federal court challenges and you say she was ONLY in it for the money Ford_Prefect Dec 2016 #78

Stein was ruled to have no standing in Michigan because golfguru Dec 2016 #82

Stein has zero chance to win WI, MI, PA. Hillary does. golfguru Dec 2016 #86

You haven't answered the question. Ford_Prefect Dec 2016 #87

Just observe how many millions remain in Stein's bank account golfguru Dec 2016 #89

Stein collected $7 M, spent $1.5 M in WI, she is richer by golfguru Dec 2016 #93

How do you personally know? This was an extremely close race in MI and in Clinton-heavy areas JudyM Dec 2016 #26

Recount of faulty machines without a paper trail is... golfguru Dec 2016 #75

Those machines had paper trails, though, didn't they, golfguru. JudyM Dec 2016 #79

Not in all states! golfguru Dec 2016 #80

Talking MI. JudyM Dec 2016 #81

MI result is 100% useless to Hillary without PA golfguru Dec 2016 #83

Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #88

Without question. Irresponsible to more than 1/2 the country, is the nicest to be said for her lack JudyM Dec 2016 #90

she was letting Jill carry the water and now it's HRC's turn, let's see if she'll move wordpix Dec 2016 #46

Agreed 100% golfguru Dec 2016 #84

Well, sure. Clinton's the only one who could benefit from a recount. JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2016 #55

It's getting time for pitch forks and torches across the country Augiedog Dec 2016 #4

from Twitter golfguru Dec 2016 #6

Watch Democracy Now bdamomma Dec 2016 #14

will there be a refund of some sort since they didn't get to complete the recount? KewlKat Dec 2016 #7

Stein "Our campaign will seek immediate relief in Michigan's Supreme Court ...." riversedge Dec 2016 #8

Waste of time Crepuscular Dec 2016 #10

FWIW ... from the article Aimee in OKC Dec 2016 #12

That would still leave a 3-2 Republican majority FBaggins Dec 2016 #27

HRC: NOW show leadership, or a military-oligarch total takeover of US coming wordpix Dec 2016 #47

Laughable Crepuscular Dec 2016 #59

Crap. I did not want to hear that. riversedge Dec 2016 #13

me either nothing is a waste of time bdamomma Dec 2016 #15

Stein doesn't seem to realize SickOfTheOnePct Dec 2016 #32

I'm not sure that she's paid more in Michigan than what they've already done FBaggins Dec 2016 #25

Take to the streets is great; relying.on.ANY audit or recount is not Land Shark Dec 2016 #9

And, I just donated to the recount efforts again, anyway. Land Shark Dec 2016 #11

while millions are waving the white flag, some are trying everything nt msongs Dec 2016 #16

More power to them. Just realize how brave they are given how rigged the system is Land Shark Dec 2016 #19

Hillary needs to get out there NOW! And DOJ wordpix Dec 2016 #48

I give it to Stein. roamer65 Dec 2016 #20

Exactly how I feel. And this is one more area where there's a huge division here, why am I not JudyM Dec 2016 #28

Please read post #76 golfguru Dec 2016 #77

+1 nt riderinthestorm Dec 2016 #33

They want us to give up and accept this crazy con man. wisteria Dec 2016 #21

If you want 99.99% true vote counts, copy Honduras voting system golfguru Dec 2016 #76

for what reason and will Stein appeal treestar Dec 2016 #29

I'd be surprised if she had grounds to appeal the federal decision SickOfTheOnePct Dec 2016 #34

we can only know that if we know what the legal reasoning treestar Dec 2016 #49

The federal judge provided the legal reasoning for the halt n/t SickOfTheOnePct Dec 2016 #50

They won't count. They know the truth...that he lost, that they are thieves and liars same as with W judesedit Dec 2016 #30

They've gerrymandered so well that even though there are many more Dem votes, they stay in position judesedit Dec 2016 #31

Cheated out of your vote in Michigan? Greg Palast. Wants to hear from people. elleng Dec 2016 #35

Doesn't look good for 2018, with crooks and Nazis in charge. And I volunteered four years in....... dmosh42 Dec 2016 #37

So now is the time to give her more or my money? AngryAmish Dec 2016 #38

I'll take care of all the logistics FBaggins Dec 2016 #39

Are you trustworthy? A Nigerian Prince, perhaps? I can give $10,000. ... JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2016 #54

This whole recount business is a waste of time. Scruffy1 Dec 2016 #63

Nothing that takes place after election night is workable including audits Land Shark Dec 2016 #67

We'll never know. Again. nt agalisgv Dec 2016 #68

Michigan Supreme Court denies Stein's recount appeal. Kotya Dec 2016 #70

It is beyond Michigan now. Our entire election has been thrown up in the air. AgadorSparticus Dec 2016 #91

and Stein is richer by $5,500,000! golfguru Dec 2016 #94