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Scruffy1

(3,500 posts)
63. This whole recount business is a waste of time.
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 08:28 PM
Dec 2016

If we had some sort of auditing system in place it would be easy, but the way it is set up it never accomplishes anything useful. The discrepancies involved are always small. If any real fraud occurs it is done by computer and nearly impossible to track. The real problem we should be working on is making sure that the equipment is in good shape and there is sufficient access for all voters. A large share of Detroit machines were broken. This is a trend that voters in poor areas have long waits and insufficient facilities while the Republican voters have shorter waits and nice facilities. When you are poor and have to deal with working off shifts, day care, and transportation these are big obstacles. Spoiled ballots balloon in Democratic areas also, but I don't have a cure for that. I can believe the under vote because a lot of people hated both candidates. Though I dislike Stein, I don't believe she'll keep the money. In the end, it was just about raising her own profile.
What we need to do is get over getting our asses kicked and go after the House in 2018. I played on a football team that go beat 63-7 once. We suited up the next week. And that is what we need to do. Quit blaming, come together and get back to work. The media won't help us so we have to do it the old fashioned way. Everyone of us should be focused everyday in bringing in new voters. Co workers, acquaintances, family, strangers, preachers, teachers, and anyone we can find. Educate and activate. There is no reason we can't duplicate in reverse 1994 and 2010. Study how the enemy did it and learn effective tactics. Our motto should be "Whatever it takes."

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Maybe it's time for oldtime dfl_er Dec 2016 #1
And do what? This is a Judge of Obama's picking...confirmed 89 zip in a Democratic Nancyswidower Dec 2016 #2
Democrat controlled Senate, eh? LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #22
Yes...The Senate confirmed Goldsmith on June 21, 2010 Nancyswidower Dec 2016 #41
That would DemocratIC Senate, which was the point you missed. You're welcome. LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #42
An auto correct on my phone..I get the Nit you are picking...I fixed it.. Nancyswidower Dec 2016 #44
Democrat controlled Senate? Democrat? nt. Peigan68 Dec 2016 #23
Yes...The Senate confirmed Goldsmith on June 21, 2010 Nancyswidower Dec 2016 #40
I guess the republics voted for Goldsmith, too wordpix Dec 2016 #45
LOL love that word "republics" golfguru Dec 2016 #85
Democrats know about the Senate...so why don't you? Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #43
Maybe Hillary should have filed for the recount Travis_0004 Dec 2016 #3
Because Hillary is not stupid golfguru Dec 2016 #5
Having done post-election litigation myself, your comments are disappointing Land Shark Dec 2016 #17
Thanks for saying this, Land Shark. elleng Dec 2016 #24
yes oldtime dfl_er Dec 2016 #36
Unaudited elections aren't okay. But H's campaign Hortensis Dec 2016 #51
They DO NOT AND DID NOT have evidence to comb over. Land Shark Dec 2016 #52
No forensics, no ballots is no evidemce. Land Shark Dec 2016 #53
Yes, they did. You might read their statements of Hortensis Dec 2016 #56
Where is this "evidence" and why is it not available? Brief summaries, rofl Land Shark Dec 2016 #57
Wondering at this point who you voted for and why. Hortensis Dec 2016 #58
The main competent people are involved in supporting the recount efforts now Land Shark Dec 2016 #60
By supporting I don't mean to imply any official role in the recounts Land Shark Dec 2016 #61
Impressive resume offered, sounds like fun, BUT Hortensis Dec 2016 #62
"Defeated" candidates are in a poor position to defend democracy; nothing against the candidate Land Shark Dec 2016 #64
Thanks for the discussion. I've often wondered, Hortensis Dec 2016 #65
Anyone planning on stealing an election would go HEAVY NEGATIVE, here's bottom line Land Shark Dec 2016 #66
"...every election would be suspect until proven legitimate." Hortensis Dec 2016 #69
Yes, very nice to talk to you and come to agreement too. :) nt Land Shark Dec 2016 #71
Excuse me, but it is a RECOUNT, and NOT an investigation into fraud. golfguru Dec 2016 #74
Electronic voting is fine so long as... golfguru Dec 2016 #92
You repeat the lies of old about Stein with no proof. The payment to Wisconsin was no myth. Ford_Prefect Dec 2016 #18
Florida 2000 was the mother of all recounts golfguru Dec 2016 #72
You do not need proof for what is obvious golfguru Dec 2016 #73
Multiple state and federal court challenges and you say she was ONLY in it for the money Ford_Prefect Dec 2016 #78
Stein was ruled to have no standing in Michigan because golfguru Dec 2016 #82
Stein has zero chance to win WI, MI, PA. Hillary does. golfguru Dec 2016 #86
You haven't answered the question. Ford_Prefect Dec 2016 #87
Just observe how many millions remain in Stein's bank account golfguru Dec 2016 #89
Stein collected $7 M, spent $1.5 M in WI, she is richer by golfguru Dec 2016 #93
How do you personally know? This was an extremely close race in MI and in Clinton-heavy areas JudyM Dec 2016 #26
Recount of faulty machines without a paper trail is... golfguru Dec 2016 #75
Those machines had paper trails, though, didn't they, golfguru. JudyM Dec 2016 #79
Not in all states! golfguru Dec 2016 #80
Talking MI. JudyM Dec 2016 #81
MI result is 100% useless to Hillary without PA golfguru Dec 2016 #83
Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #88
Without question. Irresponsible to more than 1/2 the country, is the nicest to be said for her lack JudyM Dec 2016 #90
she was letting Jill carry the water and now it's HRC's turn, let's see if she'll move wordpix Dec 2016 #46
Agreed 100% golfguru Dec 2016 #84
Well, sure. Clinton's the only one who could benefit from a recount. JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2016 #55
It's getting time for pitch forks and torches across the country Augiedog Dec 2016 #4
from Twitter golfguru Dec 2016 #6
Watch Democracy Now bdamomma Dec 2016 #14
will there be a refund of some sort since they didn't get to complete the recount? KewlKat Dec 2016 #7
Stein "Our campaign will seek immediate relief in Michigan's Supreme Court ...." riversedge Dec 2016 #8
Waste of time Crepuscular Dec 2016 #10
FWIW ... from the article Aimee in OKC Dec 2016 #12
That would still leave a 3-2 Republican majority FBaggins Dec 2016 #27
HRC: NOW show leadership, or a military-oligarch total takeover of US coming wordpix Dec 2016 #47
Laughable Crepuscular Dec 2016 #59
Crap. I did not want to hear that. riversedge Dec 2016 #13
me either nothing is a waste of time bdamomma Dec 2016 #15
Stein doesn't seem to realize SickOfTheOnePct Dec 2016 #32
I'm not sure that she's paid more in Michigan than what they've already done FBaggins Dec 2016 #25
Take to the streets is great; relying.on.ANY audit or recount is not Land Shark Dec 2016 #9
And, I just donated to the recount efforts again, anyway. Land Shark Dec 2016 #11
while millions are waving the white flag, some are trying everything nt msongs Dec 2016 #16
More power to them. Just realize how brave they are given how rigged the system is Land Shark Dec 2016 #19
Hillary needs to get out there NOW! And DOJ wordpix Dec 2016 #48
I give it to Stein. roamer65 Dec 2016 #20
Exactly how I feel. And this is one more area where there's a huge division here, why am I not JudyM Dec 2016 #28
Please read post #76 golfguru Dec 2016 #77
+1 nt riderinthestorm Dec 2016 #33
They want us to give up and accept this crazy con man. wisteria Dec 2016 #21
If you want 99.99% true vote counts, copy Honduras voting system golfguru Dec 2016 #76
for what reason and will Stein appeal treestar Dec 2016 #29
I'd be surprised if she had grounds to appeal the federal decision SickOfTheOnePct Dec 2016 #34
we can only know that if we know what the legal reasoning treestar Dec 2016 #49
The federal judge provided the legal reasoning for the halt n/t SickOfTheOnePct Dec 2016 #50
They won't count. They know the truth...that he lost, that they are thieves and liars same as with W judesedit Dec 2016 #30
They've gerrymandered so well that even though there are many more Dem votes, they stay in position judesedit Dec 2016 #31
Cheated out of your vote in Michigan? Greg Palast. Wants to hear from people. elleng Dec 2016 #35
Doesn't look good for 2018, with crooks and Nazis in charge. And I volunteered four years in....... dmosh42 Dec 2016 #37
So now is the time to give her more or my money? AngryAmish Dec 2016 #38
I'll take care of all the logistics FBaggins Dec 2016 #39
Are you trustworthy? A Nigerian Prince, perhaps? I can give $10,000. ... JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2016 #54
This whole recount business is a waste of time. Scruffy1 Dec 2016 #63
Nothing that takes place after election night is workable including audits Land Shark Dec 2016 #67
We'll never know. Again. nt agalisgv Dec 2016 #68
Michigan Supreme Court denies Stein's recount appeal. Kotya Dec 2016 #70
It is beyond Michigan now. Our entire election has been thrown up in the air. AgadorSparticus Dec 2016 #91
and Stein is richer by $5,500,000! golfguru Dec 2016 #94
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