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78. Gaza has a border with Egypt

Thu Jan 19, 2017, 07:04 PM

Jan 2017

So Israel could not fence off and blockade Gaza since there is a border that Israel does not control. Also, Gaza is run by a terrorist organization responsible for numerous murders of Israeli civilians over the past few decades, so it makes sense to keep the border tight between Gaza and Israel.

Most of the West Bank is completely off limits to Israelis. It is illegal for Israelis to even set foot in the majority of the places where Palestinians live. There are separate roads for Israeli citizens who travel to the settlements, but these are open to Palestinian citizens of Israel as well.

The Israeli West Bank barrier has led to a signifiant decrease in terrorist attacks against Israeli civilians since its construction began. In the year 2001, for example, there were several terrorist attacks conducted against Israeli citizens each month such as this one:

Dolphinarium discotheque massacre

The Dolphinarium discotheque massacre was a Hamas terrorism attack on 1 June 2001 in which a Hamas-affiliated Islamist terrorist blew himself up outside a nightclub in Tel Aviv, Israel, killing 21 Israelis, 16 of them teenagers

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Israel deploys 'Star Wars' missile killer system [View all] mitty14u2 Jan 2017 OP

Courtesy of the ever-generous U.S. taxpayer. tenorly Jan 2017 #1

The technology for leftynyc Jan 2017 #2

Umm, I care. NWCorona Jan 2017 #7

LOL! Rex Jan 2017 #23

The money going to Egypt never gets mentioned on DU. DavidDvorkin Jan 2017 #11

It's assumed that the defense system doesn't work. Igel Jan 2017 #16

Hmm, wonder if this works? lark Jan 2017 #3

The technology wasn't up to it in the 1980's Lurks Often Jan 2017 #10

Took years to develop fixed-wing aircraft. Igel Jan 2017 #17

Are they worried about North Korea? guillaumeb Jan 2017 #4

I doubt NK is more than an e-blip on Tel Aviv's radar. LanternWaste Jan 2017 #5

Yeah 'cause preventing a nuclear holocaust is a waste of money MosheFeingold Jan 2017 #8

Possessing nuclear weapons is more likely to lead to more instability. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #12

Not being able to defend would be the disaster. JudyM Jan 2017 #19

Without the nukes leftynyc Jan 2017 #26

You start with pure speculation, and end with a huge assumption about my beliefs. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #28

Oh please leftynyc Jan 2017 #29

You made a specific assertion, or insinuation if you will, about my posts. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #33

Feel free to link to ANY leftynyc Jan 2017 #37

So I must prove that your assertion is false? guillaumeb Jan 2017 #39

Back up and prove leftynyc Jan 2017 #46

You made an assertion. The burden of proof is on you. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #50

Yawn leftynyc Jan 2017 #53

You made a claim. You obviously cannot support your claim. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #55

Gee - so sorry an OPINION leftynyc Jan 2017 #57

Please reconsider what you just wrote. It is a racist objection to the poster's point. JudyM Jan 2017 #31

It has nothing to do with race. The poster wrote: guillaumeb Jan 2017 #34

Their desire to obliterate Israel is a well-documented fact that is a separate issue than JudyM Jan 2017 #35

Your response seems to have ignored what I said. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #36

Iran has made some threatening remarks with respect to Israel oberliner Jan 2017 #77

No argument. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #81

Israel is worried about already existing Iranian ballistic missiles.. EX500rider Jan 2017 #92

But Iran has no capability of nuclear weapons. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #93

If they did have such capability, you think things would be more stable? oberliner Jan 2017 #95

If Israel withdrew to the 1967 borders, would things become more stable? guillaumeb Jan 2017 #99

Less hack89 Jan 2017 #108

So between the Arabs who resent the creation of an Israeli State, guillaumeb Jan 2017 #111

I certainly don't see a solution hack89 Jan 2017 #113

Well, one reason that there can be no peaceful solution is that one country, guillaumeb Jan 2017 #115

There is plenty of blame to go around nt hack89 Jan 2017 #119

They would become less stable, for sure oberliner Jan 2017 #120

Nuclear proliferation 101: guillaumeb Jan 2017 #123

Which country in North and South America possesses nuclear weapons? oberliner Jan 2017 #126

Which country is the only country to ever use nuclear weapons? guillaumeb Jan 2017 #129

USA, of course oberliner Jan 2017 #132

We are in agreement on that, and much else regarding the guillaumeb Jan 2017 #135

Yes, we have a good deal of agreement on many points oberliner Jan 2017 #140

Agreed, power politics is one reason that Iran and the US support guillaumeb Jan 2017 #142

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2017 #21

How well does it work against a flying rain gutter? Scurrilous Jan 2017 #6

Iron dome MosheFeingold Jan 2017 #9

And how many casualties have these weapons acused? guillaumeb Jan 2017 #13

Since 2001 Devil Child Jan 2017 #14

You omitted 1/2 of the question. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #15

How is this relevant to Israel defending its citizenry against attacks? DavidDvorkin Jan 2017 #18

Israelis should stop defending themselves altogether until the numbers are in balance. JudyM Jan 2017 #20

Apparently so. DavidDvorkin Jan 2017 #22

They couldn't make it more obvious leftynyc Jan 2017 #30

More like their defensive measures aren't actually defensive -nt Bradical79 Jan 2017 #24

The system described in the article is. DavidDvorkin Jan 2017 #25

Defining all Israeli attacks on Palestinian civilians as "defensive measures" guillaumeb Jan 2017 #27

What does that have to with the system described in the article? DavidDvorkin Jan 2017 #41

The system described is called defensive, yet it will guillaumeb Jan 2017 #42

That's an argument against any defense at all by Israel of its own population DavidDvorkin Jan 2017 #43

Not at all. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #44

What defensive measures by Isreal would be acceptable to you? Marengo Jan 2017 #45

Too open ended of a question. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #48

In your opinion, what action(s) should Israel take to stop the rocket attacks? Marengo Jan 2017 #51

Recognize that the current situation is untenable, guillaumeb Jan 2017 #52

Will all of the factions behind these attacks accept this solution and cease firing rockets? Marengo Jan 2017 #54

Unanswerable. Will every armed Israeli settler accept what might be negotiated? guillaumeb Jan 2017 #56

In your opinion, what is the likelihood the rocket attacks would cease? Marengo Jan 2017 #59

Asked and answered. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #62

No, you evaded. Do you expect me to believe you have no opinion? Marengo Jan 2017 #64

You asked me a hypothetical, and i noted the impossibility of answering. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #66

An opinion, which is what I am asking for, is not impossible to form as you well know. Your... Marengo Jan 2017 #68

Is your evasion also suspect? guillaumeb Jan 2017 #70

If your questions were anything other than an obvious diversionary tactic, I might reply. Marengo Jan 2017 #79

You are actually the one who sidetracked the discussion, guillaumeb Jan 2017 #82

In your opinion, what is the likelihood the rocket attacks would cease? Marengo Jan 2017 #84

There are two sides to this problem. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #86

The so-called rocket attacks are more of a psychological weapon than an actual guillaumeb Jan 2017 #100

"So-called rocket attacks", eh? That is VERY revealing, and what it reveals is VERY unflattering.... Marengo Jan 2017 #104

You win the prize for avoidance. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #106

"So-called", eh? Are rockets not launched? Have civilians not been killed? Marengo Jan 2017 #109

Israel has ALREADY tried that leftynyc Jan 2017 #96

Nice try. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #112

They share a border with Egypt leftynyc Jan 2017 #116

The Israeli State has been stealing Palestinian land for 70 years. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #117

BULLSHIT leftynyc Jan 2017 #118

Your narrative here has nothing to do with anything except your narrative. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #122

If you would just once admit leftynyc Jan 2017 #127

So you want me to replace actual history with your carefully crafted narrative? guillaumeb Jan 2017 #130

Are you seriously denying leftynyc Jan 2017 #131

And are you seriously denying that more than one Israeli Government guillaumeb Jan 2017 #134

So you're not going to answer leftynyc Jan 2017 #137

You are firmly set in your opinion. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #138

Gaza has a border with Egypt oberliner Jan 2017 #78

Egypt and Israel cooperate in controlling Gaza. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #87

Egypt is an independent country oberliner Jan 2017 #89

For all of your attempts to qualify and "explain", guillaumeb Jan 2017 #91

Fair enough oberliner Jan 2017 #94

And there is still no solution in sight, guillaumeb Jan 2017 #102

Unfortunately oberliner Jan 2017 #121

Even if Netanyahu were to lose a majority, is that any reason to think guillaumeb Jan 2017 #124

Using quotes oberliner Jan 2017 #125

Yes we can trade quotes, but history supports my version. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #128

It does not oberliner Jan 2017 #133

An interesting example of visual and verbal semantics on your part. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #136

Take the time to consider the following points oberliner Jan 2017 #139

I would not deny the history that has taken place in that area. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #143

You make some very good points oberliner Jan 2017 #144

No matter what the world decides, or does not decide, the problem guillaumeb Jan 2017 #145

Clinton almost pulled it off oberliner Jan 2017 #146

Agreed. But I fear that Trump will be seen by Netanyahu guillaumeb Jan 2017 #147

Maybe Merkel could serve that role oberliner Jan 2017 #148

The details of any agreement are important. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #149

Do you think Islamic Jihad would accept the two state solution? Marengo Jan 2017 #98

You have posed many questions and answered none. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #103

A yes or no answer to the question in post #98, please. Marengo Jan 2017 #105

World class avoidance on your part. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #107

In you opinion, would Islamic Jihad accept the two state solution and cease artillery operations? Marengo Jan 2017 #110

The answer to my posed question is obviously, yes, you will continue to avoid. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #114

In your opinion, with a yes or no answer, do you believe Islamic Jihad would accept the two state... Marengo Jan 2017 #141

Are you comparing defending against incoming rockets to Bush's invasion of Iraq? DavidDvorkin Jan 2017 #58

I believe you are reading only what you want to see here. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #61

"when weapons and systems are developed, countermeasures soon follow" EX500rider Jan 2017 #150

Except of course for the fact that Iran has no nuclear weapon capability. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #152

No, Iran developing long range missiles is not in response to Israel unless.. EX500rider Jan 2017 #153

Your first sentence removes all reason for Israel to develop this weapon. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #154

Actually Iran was long under sanctions for working on developing them.. EX500rider Jan 2017 #156

And Iran is not working to acquire nuclear weapons. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #157

In your opinion, are these rocket attacks justifiable? Closed question, yes or no. Marengo Jan 2017 #38

Easy one to answer. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #40

That being the case, is Israel's ballistic missile defense system justifiable? Marengo Jan 2017 #47

See #44 or #32 for an answer. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #49

Yes or no, is the ballistic missile defense system justifiable? Marengo Jan 2017 #60

Still waiting for you to answer my questions. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #63

Yes or no, is the ballistic missle defense system justifiable? Marengo Jan 2017 #65

See #63 guillaumeb Jan 2017 #67

Why can't you answer in the manner I have requested? Marengo Jan 2017 #69

I already answered. But my answer apparently does guillaumeb Jan 2017 #71

You are well aware it does not, as I have repeatedly told you. Being well aware as I know you are... Marengo Jan 2017 #80

I would say that you and a few other posters assume far too much. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #83

Yes or no, is the ballistic missile defense system justifiable? Answer and I won't be compelled to.. Marengo Jan 2017 #85

It is a militarization that will inspire similar militarization by the other parties. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #88

Again with the diversion. I didn't ask what you thought of the Israeli government's position... Marengo Jan 2017 #97

Start replying to my questions for a change. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #101

while at first glance, such technology seems good, it is actually very destabilizing Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #32

Given Israel has nukes MosheFeingold Jan 2017 #72

sorry-- I meant if the US was planning on using these Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #75

At first glance, such technology seems good because it is good Devil Child Jan 2017 #73

sorry, I meant if the US deployed such systems, with our nuclear arsenal vs Russia nukes Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #74

No apology necessary Devil Child Jan 2017 #76

With ABM technology being over 30 years old... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2017 #90

Indeed, with AEGIS, GBI's, Thaad and Patriot the US has boost, mid-course and terminal covered. EX500rider Jan 2017 #151

"Though defensive violence will always be 'a sad necessity'... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2017 #155