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157. I'm a free speech absolutist

Fri Feb 3, 2017, 10:16 AM

Feb 2017

That's how you change minds - shining a light on the hatred, bullying, bullshit the other side is proud of advertising. Not by smashing windows.

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UC Berkeley cancels Milo Yiannopoulos event amid violent protest [View all] mobeau69 Feb 2017 OP

Who are the idiot jerks who turned that legitimate protest violent and committed crimes? Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2017 #1

You know who this guy is? thejoker123 Feb 2017 #53

He was invited zentrum Feb 2017 #59

yep he's their beloved token now starshine00 Feb 2017 #95

Exactly An Openly Gay Catholic Becoming A Symbol For A White Supremacist Anti Gay Far Right Wing? Corey_Baker08 Feb 2017 #159

I think he just got drunk on the fumes of his internet fandom starshine00 Feb 2017 #164

Looks like rioting to. me leftynyc Feb 2017 #70

This is a college campus, not a public street thejoker123 Feb 2017 #75

YES leftynyc Feb 2017 #80

Excellent statement nt 7962 Feb 2017 #83

Concur... adamskru Feb 2017 #86

Those prominent progressives leftynyc Feb 2017 #87

It is horrifying Yupster Feb 2017 #96

Was the Black Bloc. zentrum Feb 2017 #118

Could very well be leftynyc Feb 2017 #121

I think there's zentrum Feb 2017 #122

I thought the same thing leftynyc Feb 2017 #123

wouldn't be surprised that this was a right wing hate group in disguise RegexReader Feb 2017 #141

Yes, and I don't care leftynyc Feb 2017 #74

Normally I'd agree, but not in this case. thejoker123 Feb 2017 #76

Would you care to explain leftynyc Feb 2017 #81

You're confusing hypocrisy with nuance thejoker123 Feb 2017 #108

You're trying to move the goalposts leftynyc Feb 2017 #109

Not sure how I'm moving the goalposts? thejoker123 Feb 2017 #116

Yes, Yes, and Yes leftynyc Feb 2017 #120

Well we'll just have to agree to disagree thejoker123 Feb 2017 #156

I'm a free speech absolutist leftynyc Feb 2017 #157

honestly my feeling lately is starshine00 Feb 2017 #97

I have zero problem leftynyc Feb 2017 #101

I have a problem with people not understanding why it is not something the left should endorse starshine00 Feb 2017 #113

I don't really see people endorsing it leftynyc Feb 2017 #115

that's the main reason I deleted my twitter starshine00 Feb 2017 #124

I have no idea leftynyc Feb 2017 #125

This! Glad they shut that POS down! Shouldn't be allowed to spew his vile Nazi rhetoric on any campus or anywhere else. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2017 #84

The media call it 'rioting' Abouttime Feb 2017 #92

the media seem to want to call it rioting even if someone just farts starshine00 Feb 2017 #137

You got that right! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2017 #145

So you think violence is the answer? I know who he is, but violence is NOT the answer. Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2017 #93

News reports this morning zentrum Feb 2017 #117

Thanks for the update, zentrum. Good to hear students were peaceful. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2017 #129

they have been infiltrated in the past starshine00 Feb 2017 #149

Nixon did false flag stuff to make the left look bad, expect Trump/Bannon/Putin to do it tenfold MrPurple Feb 2017 #151

"Bricks at police officers?" WTF? nt MadDAsHell Feb 2017 #2

Either plants or Anarchists PatrynXX Feb 2017 #3

Hmmm, O'Keefe? Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2017 #4

Wouldn't surprise me. n/t mobeau69 Feb 2017 #18

Anarchists. mwdem Feb 2017 #94

the Blac Blockers who supposedly punched Richard Spencer starshine00 Feb 2017 #98

Echoes of 1968-72 bucolic_frolic Feb 2017 #5

So how are they suppose to do it? triron Feb 2017 #22

Democrats and all proper-thinking leftists use non-violence and if you are suggesting KittyWampus Feb 2017 #28

I don't think peaceful protests triron Feb 2017 #38

yep, if we give up non-violence we are finished starshine00 Feb 2017 #150

Hell no! dawn frenzy adams Feb 2017 #44

Agreed jodymarie aimee Feb 2017 #106

Fascism was eradicated by killing fascists. EL34x4 Feb 2017 #128

Turn up to vote LittleBlue Feb 2017 #60

Would it turn you? hunter Feb 2017 #107

That's not how independents think, though LittleBlue Feb 2017 #119

no, I wonder why these people are being stupid and destructive. kwassa Feb 2017 #162

I disagree. Polite people do not change the world. Evil always demands "politeness" and "respect." hunter Feb 2017 #163

It definitely WILL go that way. pangaia Feb 2017 #48

I think you are right triron Feb 2017 #55

I was there; I don't see an echoes MosheFeingold Feb 2017 #103

"In the 60s and 70s there was at least a point to the violence" FiveGoodMen Feb 2017 #134

Huh? MosheFeingold Feb 2017 #146

Well, I don't know any of the specifics, but... FiveGoodMen Feb 2017 #148

Still not sure I understand MosheFeingold Feb 2017 #158

It's confusing trying to understand your last post when the first said... FiveGoodMen Feb 2017 #160

Sure MosheFeingold Feb 2017 #161

Doesn't surprise me at UC Berkeley triron Feb 2017 #6

The sad thing is this is only enforcing Milo's message. Initech Feb 2017 #35

I think this was their whole goal caraher Feb 2017 #41

and you do? olddad56 Feb 2017 #64

I don't know about this. Freedom of speech applies to everyone, even dickheads like Milo. Calista241 Feb 2017 #7

Thank you for being an oasis of common sense 7962 Feb 2017 #11

Your point is well taken, but I still support massive NON-VIOLENT protests against racist speakers groundloop Feb 2017 #21

Non violent being the main point. These protests more often ARE violent. 7962 Feb 2017 #82

Problem is that Milo dehumanizes transgender people in his speech alp227 Feb 2017 #51

Why would I want to defend it? Calista241 Feb 2017 #71

But he doesn't have the right to a platform TimeChaser Feb 2017 #102

Who determines his "right to a platform?" Calista241 Feb 2017 #131

He got the right to a platform when he was invited Yupster Feb 2017 #139

I don't see how targeted harassment of individual students is protected speech -nt Bradical79 Feb 2017 #155

No one defends what he says MosheFeingold Feb 2017 #105

"Free Speech" doesn't guarantee him a polite venue. hunter Feb 2017 #112

Tell that to my colleague... a la izquierda Feb 2017 #127

The only thing I feel like saying right now is .. ananda Feb 2017 #8

Live Stream mobeau69 Feb 2017 #9

Wasn't Berkeley home of the Free Speech Movement? Throd 2.0 Feb 2017 #10

Only if its speech they agree with apparently 7962 Feb 2017 #12

Yes the protesters are using violence to silence free speech, Yupster Feb 2017 #23

How is giving a platform to a white supremist free speech?.... Tikki Feb 2017 #24

Milo is a vicious and racist misogynist. He was banned from Twitter and Facebook for good reason anneboleyn Feb 2017 #26

These same types also stopped a speech by Condi Rice 7962 Feb 2017 #85

I think he is still on Facebook blueseas Feb 2017 #110

Yes. Throd 2.0 Feb 2017 #27

You have an interesting interpretation of free speech. MadDAsHell Feb 2017 #62

As was pointed out to me..Berkely is a public education institution, not a private school. Tikki Feb 2017 #69

Yes. lapislzi Feb 2017 #100

The university didn't invite him olddad56 Feb 2017 #65

Big difference - alp227 Feb 2017 #52

When he came to the University of Washington, someone got shot. LisaM Feb 2017 #13

It was one of the ANTIFA protesters. torius Feb 2017 #47

He was also cancelled at UC Davis kimbutgar Feb 2017 #14

He is a vicious misogynist. Don't let his martyr act fool ANYONE. He hates and agitates anneboleyn Feb 2017 #17

Universities should know better than to invite these fucking assholes to speak. Initech Feb 2017 #45

Yeah-Milo is a hate monger who spews hate speech Gothmog Feb 2017 #15

I don't think anyone is disputing that. Throd 2.0 Feb 2017 #29

They don't need to invite him though cilla4progress Feb 2017 #54

They don't need to riot though. Inkfreak Feb 2017 #78

I'm not familiar with that part of campus. RandySF Feb 2017 #16

Milo is a provocateur and vicious misogynist who will do anything for attention and plays the martyr anneboleyn Feb 2017 #19

Yay, Fox is covering Milo live. Because Milo needs more attention! Barf. Golden Bears forever! anneboleyn Feb 2017 #25

It was a win win situation for Milo whether the appearance took place or not Henry Krinkle Feb 2017 #20

No group is more vile than Westboro Baptist Church... and there's ways to allow KittyWampus Feb 2017 #30

You are correct 7962 Feb 2017 #79

The protest organizers were not the ones who encouraged the violence. Doreen Feb 2017 #31

The vast majority are peaceful. mobeau69 Feb 2017 #32

My boyfriend does not suit up for protesting he just goes in Doreen Feb 2017 #33

My thoughts too. The Cal students are mostly peaceful. I am a Cal grad, and it is horrible to see anneboleyn Feb 2017 #34

These black suited anarchist guys Yupster Feb 2017 #36

the ones wearing fancy gear are paid. KittyWampus Feb 2017 #39

By who? Yupster Feb 2017 #42

I don't know who. But I hope you're not going to suggest it hasn't happened in America before KittyWampus Feb 2017 #43

It's scary Yupster Feb 2017 #46

There are a lot torius Feb 2017 #50

COINTELPRO orangecrush Feb 2017 #132

I want you to think how stupid that theory is. Gravitycollapse Feb 2017 #136

The police chief himself orangecrush Feb 2017 #144

Why do the police never zentrum Feb 2017 #152

They do this. Initech Feb 2017 #40

I tend to think torius Feb 2017 #49

Check Twitter - the asshole brigade is out in full force right now. Initech Feb 2017 #57

I personally wouldn't use violence unless the fascist elmac Feb 2017 #37

Black Bloc again most likely. NewDealProgressive Feb 2017 #56

I am so fucking pissed at Berkeley right now I can't see straight. Initech Feb 2017 #58

who are you refering to when you say you are pissed at Berkeley? olddad56 Feb 2017 #66

What's ironic is he still gets paid. But now, for doing nothing. nt MadDAsHell Feb 2017 #61

True. Though Milo's campus talks are pretty malicious. Bradical79 Feb 2017 #154

Video Bonx Feb 2017 #63

one good thing came out of this, UCLA rescinded the invitation for him to speak there tomorrow. olddad56 Feb 2017 #67

Counter-Sting Catches James OKeefe Network Attempting To Sow Chaos At Trumps Inauguration tenderfoot Feb 2017 #68

I believe it was the Black Bloc watoos Feb 2017 #72

"There were no arrests." WTF? same all dressed in black, masked faced people, bricks at police. Sunlei Feb 2017 #73

RESIST what? Inkfreak Feb 2017 #77

The vast majority were peaceful mobeau69 Feb 2017 #88

I want to see arrest papers, mug shots rainy Feb 2017 #89

Reportedly the number of arrests last night was Yupster Feb 2017 #99

What kind of idiots invited him to begin with? malthaussen Feb 2017 #90

When I was in college, some of the local GOP groups invited some pro-Reagan columnists to speak... brooklynite Feb 2017 #91

The "alt-right" are not your Reagan-era republicans TimeChaser Feb 2017 #104

That is what we need to say blueseas Feb 2017 #111

As I recall, many pro Reagan people were pretty damned Nazi. hunter Feb 2017 #114

These Black Bloc protestors... potone Feb 2017 #126

Antifa and black bloc groups are real. Gravitycollapse Feb 2017 #133

"There WERE NO ARRESTS" orangecrush Feb 2017 #130

Interesting point! FiveGoodMen Feb 2017 #135

I seems to me as if Yiannopoulos is promoting hate speech. Little Tich Feb 2017 #138

Each college has a written policy Yupster Feb 2017 #140

Perhaps UC Berkeley should have a policy against promoting hate speech then... n/t Little Tich Feb 2017 #142

perhaps but they better put that policy in writing Yupster Feb 2017 #143

agree, and especially given that Berkley is a public university onetexan Feb 2017 #147

Seriously Single drop Feb 2017 #153