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Ms. Toad

(34,291 posts)
166. That's a start on the kind of intrspection I'm talking about.
Mon Jun 12, 2017, 01:43 PM
Jun 2017

Look at what went wrong:

* Polls aren't accurate - don't let up on the GOTV efforts, no matter how far ahead we appear to be.
* A second, related one, is that we need to stop fooling ourselves that voter ID laws don't hit hardest on a selected class of voters who tend to vote for Democrats. We're making progress on that front from a few years ago, but even this election season I still had numerous arguments with folks on DU who insisted that everyone could get the proper ID if they just worked hard enough, so it wasn't a battle worth fighting. Wisconsin proves that wrong (https://www.thenation.com/article/wisconsins-voter-id-law-suppressed-200000-votes-trump-won-by-23000/) We should have been fighting harder (both to identify and assist in getting voter IDs to people who are strugging, documenting the actual cost (time, $, travel) and who it impacts, both to build a legal case against those laws - and to explain to congress critters why it really is discriminatory so they don't pass them in the first place)

I'm sure there is a lot more to be learned if we're willing to dig deeper - what I'm reacting to is that we are so justifiably angry at the dirty tricks that instead of stopping to ask what we could have done to avoid being in the position where dirty tricks could succeed we're just yelling that it wasn't our fault. That's a recipe for repeating the same disaster again every election cycle.

Did he warn her at the time? hrmjustin Jun 2017 #1
Seriously?! Wasn't Joe's job. Hillary was the nominee. Did she not have a team? WinkyDink Jun 2017 #3
True it wasn't his job however unless he was rooting for Trump to win rather than her I would like cstanleytech Jun 2017 #36
Really? The vice president felt his party's nominee was not going to win key states but he kept his hrmjustin Jun 2017 #44
Team HRC/Mook IGNORED BILL CLINTON, and you think they might WinkyDink Jun 2017 #57
Maybe, maybe not. My point here is his point is rather self serving. hrmjustin Jun 2017 #58
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Ah. More RT media info. Jakes Progress Jun 2017 #91
It's from the book Shattered Nevernose Jun 2017 #165
"told not to run"? Even today he speaks about his reasons for not running, and.... George II Jun 2017 #123
I think HRC's huge lead in the polls over him probably played a much bigger factor in his decision StevieM Jun 2017 #135
Ignore the Big Dog's advice at your own peril... the "Big Dog" bein Bernie! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2017 #154
he is mansplaining after the fact Skittles Jun 2017 #110
They can't help themselves, can they? And no awareness of how petty and bitter they sound.... bettyellen Jun 2017 #126
he has never been a favorite of mine Skittles Jun 2017 #136
Yeah, it's tempting to forgive him about the Thomas hearings becasue he's so popular bettyellen Jun 2017 #137
yes Skittles Jun 2017 #142
You can't defend her poor campaign, so you have to drop sexist buzz words without meaning. phleshdef Jun 2017 #168
Yes, and he was part of that team. hamsterjill Jun 2017 #65
Bernie worked harder for Hillary than Joe did. yurbud Jun 2017 #67
Not even close. George II Jun 2017 #75
What was the Sanders-Biden final score on who supporter clinton the most? Trial_By_Fire Jun 2017 #138
Who cares? George II Jun 2017 #143
I do... no one worked harder on the Clinton campaign than Bernie. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2017 #158
Simply not true, no sense arguing it with you at this time. George II Jun 2017 #164
That's fo sho! Yet Bernie's still the subject of scorn around here... go figure! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2017 #157
He's trying a save drowning party that keeps pushing him away yurbud Jun 2017 #163
Apparently not... though $2 Billion in campaign contributions got eaten up... InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2017 #152
The article does not say either that he did or he didn't karynnj Jun 2017 #74
No need - Clinton was the most qualified person ever and forever to run for the presidency... Trial_By_Fire Jun 2017 #139
She is highly qualified! we all voted for her on DU. hrmjustin Jun 2017 #140
He's full of himself. Hasn't changed much since the Anita Hill hearings. n/t pnwmom Jun 2017 #2
Women who love some Biden Jakes Progress Jun 2017 #12
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This is so unnecessary. LisaM Jun 2017 #35
A more interesting question would be what discussions he and others including Obama had on karynnj Jun 2017 #88
Just stop it. Jakes Progress Jun 2017 #92
The email problem was not an rt or rw propaganda piece - though the right used it karynnj Jun 2017 #104
Joe is angling for a 2020 run onetexan Jun 2017 #64
Completely agree! Freddie Jun 2017 #130
80 is the new 60... it's Bernie's turn. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2017 #153
Hillary campaigned furiously in Pennsylvania and her ads were everywhere. StevieM Jun 2017 #4
+1000. n/t pnwmom Jun 2017 #19
Agree Steve m she campaigned a lot in penn the last 3 weeks everything converged FloridaBlues Jun 2017 #103
Bernie won Michigan in the primaries FrodosNewPet Jun 2017 #109
Predictions announced after the fact don't mean squat NT JaneQPublic Jun 2017 #5
Yes. Thank you. NurseJackie Jun 2017 #6
Exactly! lunamagica Jun 2017 #10
This. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2017 #11
And just how do you suppose a prediction like that would have been received beforehand? melman Jun 2017 #26
At best it would have been ignored, at worst Lurks Often Jun 2017 #56
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Precisely NastyRiffraff Jun 2017 #83
Thepolitical world as Biden knew it ended with 2016 election cycle. delisen Jun 2017 #7
I'm afraid that you are right. padfun Jun 2017 #17
Agree lunasun Jun 2017 #23
+1, Different world now. harun Jun 2017 #149
Running his mouth at the E2 Summit? Boy bye. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2017 #8
lol JHan Jun 2017 #32
Hosted by mitt romney? Jakes Progress Jun 2017 #9
Funny no one asks if Joe was paid to be there- or if it was just a favor. HRC goes to a funeral and bettyellen Jun 2017 #34
Apparently Biden encouraged Romney to run for Senate while there suffragette Jun 2017 #42
I don't think that someone who plagiazes can be a "great candidate" lunamagica Jun 2017 #13
I don't think that someone who plagiazes can be a "great candidate"... InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2017 #155
Election Eve in Philadelphia bucolic_frolic Jun 2017 #14
No one needs to join with Mitt Romney..Please helpisontheway Jun 2017 #16
"You don't see Kasich kissing up to him for a job." Word. n/t Beartracks Jun 2017 #22
Kasich is an Asshole regardless Freddie Jun 2017 #131
Here's some back-up for that BeyondGeography Jun 2017 #20
A lot of people knew Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2017 #55
I was one of them Blindingly apparent Jun 2017 #95
lol, again?! Work it! R B Garr Jun 2017 #15
Yup... sheshe2 Jun 2017 #70
For once, I disagree with Joe Biden. sandensea Jun 2017 #21
VP Biden doesn't seem to grasp your statement unfortunately.... LenaBaby61 Jun 2017 #113
I hear you. sandensea Jun 2017 #114
One gaffe after another, that's our Joe. milestogo Jun 2017 #24
If he runs blue cat Jun 2017 #25
UpShut Already Joe Me. Jun 2017 #27
Well... Mike Nelson Jun 2017 #28
Thanks Joe. Now you're a jackass. n/t Lil Missy Jun 2017 #29
If he thought he was a great candidate, why didn't he run? LisaL Jun 2017 #30
Divisive bullshit, the press still loves to get Dems to eat their own. bettyellen Jun 2017 #31
So, now Joe Biden has joined Bernie Sanders as a DU Unperson? regnaD kciN Jun 2017 #33
When he's bragging about what a great candidate he would have been pnwmom Jun 2017 #39
LOL - yeah Plucketeer Jun 2017 #43
Of course melman Jun 2017 #49
Why have only one Emmanuel Goldstein when you can have a whole crew? n/t QC Jun 2017 #59
Even Bernie didn't say anything like this treestar Jun 2017 #146
Three thoughts: Ms. Toad Jun 2017 #37
Very well said. Biden is not raising in a constructive way, even if concern is valid Justice Jun 2017 #40
Voter suppression made a big difference. And Russian micro-targeting pnwmom Jun 2017 #41
I'm not disageeing with that. Ms. Toad Jun 2017 #87
The problem is that the country is divided so sharply on partisan lines pnwmom Jun 2017 #90
It was a fluke treestar Jun 2017 #147
That same reasoning is why I have students wbo repeatedly fail the the bar exam Ms. Toad Jun 2017 #150
Analogy is not good though treestar Jun 2017 #159
Whooosh Ms. Toad Jun 2017 #161
Voter turnout treestar Jun 2017 #162
That's a start on the kind of intrspection I'm talking about. Ms. Toad Jun 2017 #166
Well said. mountain grammy Jun 2017 #53
Yes. Valid content. Unconstructive form. nt zentrum Jun 2017 #69
plus 1 Ligyron Jun 2017 #82
Agreed 100%. nt riderinthestorm Jun 2017 #96
Keep it up Joe. You will get 86'd from DU! jalan48 Jun 2017 #38
How true. zentrum Jun 2017 #46
He did well as Obama's VP RockCreek Jun 2017 #45
Joe, with all due respect: How is this helping matters now? politicat Jun 2017 #47
Biden needs to go somewhere and find his chill. Afromania Jun 2017 #48
Put a sock in it, Joe! You are NOT helping! And what in the fuck are you doing 50 Shades Of Blue Jun 2017 #50
We should admit that a lot of people DeminPennswoods Jun 2017 #51
Actually she did town halls NastyRiffraff Jun 2017 #84
Even smaller than town halls DeminPennswoods Jun 2017 #86
it was mostly white people and mainly white men who did not like her JI7 Jun 2017 #99
Believe what you want, DeminPennswoods Jun 2017 #106
I'm pretty sure the reason white men did not support her had nothing to do with kissing babies JI7 Jun 2017 #107
I REALLY wish he wouldn't go there. It serves absolutely NO... Guilded Lilly Jun 2017 #52
She Won the Nomination; He Did Not erpowers Jun 2017 #54
Hold on, did VP Biden .... LenaBaby61 Jun 2017 #60
Meanie!!! n/t QC Jun 2017 #61
Aren't there any Democrats he can hang out with? dalton99a Jun 2017 #63
This kind of shit, even if it IS from Joe, is not productive hamsterjill Jun 2017 #66
Unless he is saying he would have won because he's a man, there aint much difference yurbud Jun 2017 #68
I knew the Cubs would win the World Series back in October last year. George II Jun 2017 #71
And just how do you suppose a prediction like that would have been received beforehand? NurseJackie Jun 2017 #76
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Joe has a special superpower! n2doc Jun 2017 #73
I love 'em both, but... Kleveland Jun 2017 #77
This message was self-deleted by its author sheshe2 Jun 2017 #81
This message was self-deleted by its author Kleveland Jun 2017 #98
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Oh Uncle Joe, say it ain't so... SticksnStones Jun 2017 #79
So much for democracy BainsBane Jun 2017 #80
+1. N/t obnoxiousdrunk Jun 2017 #105
same fucking double standard.. all over again and again and again.. what did we hear last year? JHan Jun 2017 #132
+1000000000 treestar Jun 2017 #148
should've mentioned it UT_democrat Jun 2017 #85
Why post this divisive BS? murielm99 Jun 2017 #89
+1 nt brer cat Jun 2017 #108
You know why obamanut2012 Jun 2017 #116
Sanders stumps for Mello in Omaha, stirs national debate about definition of a progressive (Apr 20) Omaha Steve Jun 2017 #119
This post makes no sense to me. murielm99 Jun 2017 #120
It was just as divisive a post about D's in LBN and nobody complained about it Omaha Steve Jun 2017 #124
So you agree that your post was divisive murielm99 Jun 2017 #125
Going by the Statement of Purpose it is LBN! Omaha Steve Jun 2017 #127
Thanks for pointing out the rules to me, Steve. murielm99 Jun 2017 #128
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Give it a rest Joe..no you would not have been a good candidate INdemo Jun 2017 #97
sick of hearing crap from him Skittles Jun 2017 #100
Apparently, this is a divisive and non-productive thread. Kleveland Jun 2017 #101
Biden's remarks were made during a closed door session. lapucelle Jun 2017 #102
Well, sometimes.... LovingA2andMI Jun 2017 #111
This is a rehash of 2016 .. I thought we declared this mute. YOHABLO Jun 2017 #112
Think Joe is losing it, did he forget he lost 2 presidential primaries? Lady_Chat Jun 2017 #115
Why? Was he privy to Russia hacking those states? joeybee12 Jun 2017 #117
+1 nt JTFrog Jun 2017 #122
Post removed Post removed Jun 2017 #118
Did he know about the Russians then? JTFrog Jun 2017 #121
Biden is helping whom exactly with these comments? nt geek tragedy Jun 2017 #129
So Comey had nothing at all to do with her defeat? Just too dumb for words. FreeStateDemocrat Jun 2017 #133
This was definitely the FBI's election from beginning to end. (eom) StevieM Jun 2017 #134
Joe, you are not helping. STFU. kwassa Jun 2017 #141
He should have run then treestar Jun 2017 #144
Says the person who helped give us SCJ Clarence Thomas. Tatiana Jun 2017 #145
STOP Freethinker65 Jun 2017 #151
He needs to shut up. Chemisse Jun 2017 #156
Sit down , Joe. You couldn't have beaten HRC. apcalc Jun 2017 #160
I didn't think she was a great candidate either, but these quotes sound like they're being distorted Azathoth Jun 2017 #167
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