Gaza 'will not be liveable by 2020' - UN report

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24. Tense matters.

You can't be advocating to get something to happen that's already happened.

The "ethnic cleansing" was both ways. Mostly in 1947-48 Arabs were "cleansed," incompletely (rather an important point). At the end, 245k or so were in Gaza, but Gaza already had a decent population before the ethnic cleansing. It wasn't all that horribly crowded. Otherwise you'd expect its population not to have increased six-fold in 60 years.

Much less, than, say, the part of Russia that was Poland, or the part of Poland that was Russia. Probably more like the part of Italy that became Slovenia. Yup, all that ethnic cleansing in 1946-48. No problem with that ethnic cleansing.

Those ethnically cleansed in 1947 are, at a minimum, 65. Most of them are dead. There were a few transferees after the 1968 war. The rest are refugees like I'm a refugee of the early 1800s Irish Potato famine or my old college roommate was a refugee from tsarist persecution in Russia in the late 1800s. One can't accuse Britain of ethnically cleansing, and it would be absurd to accuse Ireland of doing it. Similarly, the USSR didn't ethnically cleanse my roommate, nor did Putin's government.

Lots of victims in this. Some victimized repeatedly. Let's not redefine victims as non-victims, nor fair to realize that some victims are also victimizers and even self-victimizers. A victim is not necessarily innocent.