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hunter

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68. If we were truly concerned about the survival of the human species...
Sun Sep 9, 2018, 02:25 PM
Sep 2018

... we'd pay a lot more attention to the preservation of earth's natural environment and to halting our own increasing population, most especially the growth of fossil-fueled high energy industrial consumer society.

The people with the smallest environmental footprints live in cities, don't own cars, and don't eat meat. It's possible to build cities where people can live happily without consuming huge amounts of natural resources. All it takes is comfortable secure housing, healthy food, clean water, toilets that flush to sophisticated sewage treatment plants, and good public transportation. It's not "rocket science" so to speak.

If we humans screw up here on earth, a place with abundant resources of air and water and moderate temperatures from pole to pole, there's no way in hell we'll ever make it in space. Human beings are fragile creatures and space beyond low earth orbit is a very hostile environment for us.

The entire "humans colonizing space" fiction has the stench of Übermensch about it, that our "best and brightest" (as defined by themselves) will live in space, leaving the rest of us to wallow in the dirt.

I think sending humans to places like the moon or mars accomplishes little. I don't want my tax dollars spent on dangerous stunts.

My grandfather was an engineer on the Apollo project, it's the work he was most proud of, but it was a different world then. We didn't yet comprehend how hostile space was to human life, and we didn't have the sophisticated robots or communication systems we have now.

I'm an enthusiastic supporter of robotic space exploration and artificial intelligence research. I don't need a human on mars or the far side of the moon to tell me what it's like there.

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Well, that explains a thing or two. TreasonousBastard Sep 2018 #1
Reefer madness! Look how brilliantly he revolutionized the auto and aerospace industry! Fred Sanders Sep 2018 #29
Look at how the hypocrite fires employees for testing positive for THC Adenoid_Hynkel Sep 2018 #57
Upset former employee of 4 month was still on probation and could be dismissed without cause. Fred Sanders Sep 2018 #64
Let's not re-enactment Reefer Madness please angrychair Sep 2018 #2
He was drinking wiskey the entire time. joshcryer Sep 2018 #11
Reefer madness is clearly responsible for his creation of multi-billion dollar various industries. Fred Sanders Sep 2018 #30
Tell it to the billionaire Adenoid_Hynkel Sep 2018 #58
I don't think pot is a drug. olddad56 Sep 2018 #3
It absolutely is a drug... brooklynite Sep 2018 #20
THC and CBD would like to talk to you! Indica, Sativa and Ruderalis also want a word. Fred Sanders Sep 2018 #31
"Tesla in turmoil after investors suddenly realize Elon Musk is running the company." n/t PoliticAverse Sep 2018 #4
Thank you, Elon, for taking a stand. Anon-C Sep 2018 #5
I got flamed on this site six months ago when I said Elon Musk was a con man. LOL. Midnight Writer Sep 2018 #6
Thank you. I thought I was alone on this. In fact, the entire electric car affectation... NNadir Sep 2018 #14
Chicken and egg problem. Your analysis is a little facile and shallow (the little bit you revealed) Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2018 #17
My neighbor owns one. It costs The Wizard Sep 2018 #19
Over the decades, I've heard tens of thousands of responses to reality exactly like this. NNadir Sep 2018 #36
Thank you for a thoughtful reply. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2018 #41
China's coal-fired generation appears to have peaked -- progree Sep 2018 #43
The average internal combustion engine is about 20% thermally efficient Rollo Sep 2018 #53
Today's nuclear plants were largely built based on 1950's technology. NNadir Sep 2018 #65
"I have very little patience for confusing the word "peaked" with the word "eliminated." " progree Sep 2018 #66
This says worldwide, electricity generated from coal peaked in 2014 (so far) progree Sep 2018 #42
Like I said below. I own a Tesla and it's one of the best cars I have owned. rockfordfile Sep 2018 #47
Our fleet cars at work are electric and they're brilliant. meadowlander Sep 2018 #50
You would be more interesting to me, were you to care as much for the... NNadir Sep 2018 #63
Yes, China's grid is dirty and electric cars there might not help progree Sep 2018 #67
He's an ass. LisaM Sep 2018 #26
I'm a huge Musk fan. MicaelS Sep 2018 #34
Yeah I have to agree the SpaceX accomplishments are impressive and give him a pass.. EX500rider Sep 2018 #37
I am firmly against privatization of space. LisaM Sep 2018 #40
The ENTIRE US Government had sat on it's ... MicaelS Sep 2018 #44
I don't care. LisaM Sep 2018 #45
You may not care... MicaelS Sep 2018 #48
If we were truly concerned about the survival of the human species... hunter Sep 2018 #68
He's not a con man. He's an erratic genius w lots of successes, but needs to rein himself in. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2018 #16
He is not a fraud. Theranos was a fraud. Lucky Luciano Sep 2018 #21
I can see both sides. Elon is a genius to some, and arrogant crackpot to others. Oneironaut Sep 2018 #33
I don't think he's a con man Blue_Tires Sep 2018 #55
Darn. I was hoping to get a Tesla when the cheaper models come out. Kablooie Sep 2018 #7
The big three are going all in on electrics. joshcryer Sep 2018 #12
Lack of sleep SCVDem Sep 2018 #8
He did what.....?? demsocialist Sep 2018 #9
In spite of the misleading headline it has nothing to do with him smoking marijuana. It stems from still_one Sep 2018 #10
Didn't he say take it "private?" colorado_ufo Sep 2018 #13
Taking it private at 420 - pot reference... Lucky Luciano Sep 2018 #15
If I was an investor I would actually be reassured if he smoked pot... Shipwack Sep 2018 #18
Great time to pick up some stock as investors go to pot for no reason related to the company health. Fred Sanders Sep 2018 #32
Exactly. LiberalLovinLug Sep 2018 #49
Expect Ford to make an offer to buy Tesla, with a reset of the production schedule. nt NCjack Sep 2018 #22
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Misleading headline. obnoxiousdrunk Sep 2018 #27
I read several weeks ago that Musk regretted KCDebbie Sep 2018 #28
Just as important is "pundits" over generalization Leighbythesea Sep 2018 #35
Oh no! He smoked weed! Devil Child Sep 2018 #38
Oh For Fuck Sakes! Le Grand Pronounceur Sep 2018 #39
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I own a Tesla and it's one of the best cars I have owned in a long time. rockfordfile Sep 2018 #46
As if Steve jobs never smoked weed, lol unblock Sep 2018 #51
Less to do with smoking weed. Lucky Luciano Sep 2018 #60
Out of everything this is the thing that brings him down? JonLP24 Sep 2018 #54
Tesla shares SHOULD have crashed... jmowreader Sep 2018 #56
Needs some R&R, vacation time. Owl Sep 2018 #59
Is he perhaps self-destructive ? Haggis for Breakfast Sep 2018 #61
I thought we were all past this... Spartacus101 Sep 2018 #62
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