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Thu Nov 8, 2018, 04:29 PM

Nov 2018

We often talk about the burden of non-privileged people, but we don't often talk about how to change privileged people to create space. At least not in the post-university adult world I find myself in.

BLM and MeToo do a great job of interrupting the conversation and changing it so we have the opportunity to talk about these problems, but little is done or talked about on the topic of what comes next.

How do we change the culture so that black lives matter and sexual assault stops? Behavior hasn't changed. Its easy to raise a hand, but we can't wait around for someone else to fix it. We can't be content with just raising a hand and saying "Harvey Weinstein is a creepy rapist". Sure Harvey is out and jail bound, but has that stopped anything? No.

We have cultural problems to address if we are going to live up to the promise of America we all think is there. And that work will be the hardest America has ever done.

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Bernie Sanders on Andrew Gillium and Stacey Abrams: Many Whites 'Uncomfortable' Voting for Black... [View all] DonViejo Nov 2018 OP

This message was self-deleted by its author RandySF Nov 2018 #1

Voter fraud and suppression is why. ananda Nov 2018 #2

Yes. zonkers Nov 2018 #4

The voter suppression was blatantly obvious. brush Nov 2018 #7

I am tired of seeing his face, reading his name and reading his pronouncements tymorial Nov 2018 #27

Me too agingdem Nov 2018 #31

Yes indeed though I prefer liberal Democrat to qualified :) tymorial Nov 2018 #33

liberal Democrat goes without saying always agingdem Nov 2018 #43

I don't get black republicans either, or maybe I do. IHMO many... brush Nov 2018 #44

But there are also people such as Colin Powell that had different backgrounds and histories than dameatball Nov 2018 #52

Point taken. But I doubt Powell or other moderate Republicans from an earlier... brush Nov 2018 #58

Absolutely. I believe he is an honorable man. His support of Bush/Cheney was disappointing. dameatball Nov 2018 #60

I'm always so disappointed with people like Powell(and McCain) they never step-up to speak Sunlei Nov 2018 #116

+1000 True_Blue Nov 2018 #101

A Vermont state legislator resigned due to racial harassment this year delisen Nov 2018 #73

Me too. trueblue2007 Nov 2018 #135

Actually tazkcmo Nov 2018 #53

Shallow analysis.Look at previous votes for Gov in GA-Jason Carter 44.8% delisen Nov 2018 #70

and a good dose of "uncomfortable American voters". a good point to discuss. Sunlei Nov 2018 #115

If Bernie Sanders believes this, then why does he jrthin Nov 2018 #3

Because identity politics scares white people, who then retreat to their identities marylandblue Nov 2018 #5

As a transplanted Buckeye Floridian, I agree with Bernie... PeeJ52 Nov 2018 #6

As someone born in the MS Delta and raised in CA's Central Valley, I agree with you, not Sanders. deurbano Nov 2018 #24

It's the "not necessarily racist" part that's bullshit TexasBushwhacker Nov 2018 #34

White people, like myself, were raised this way. apnu Nov 2018 #39

Good post. Thanks for this as a reminder that people have to work against... brush Nov 2018 #45

Thanks apnu Nov 2018 #87

Yes. I wish we could discuss this subject more on here LiberalLovinLug Nov 2018 #77

Good points. There are a many sides and degrees in this. apnu Nov 2018 #85

There is an article today saying the same as you lovemydogs Nov 2018 #35

If they were uncomfortable voting for an African American candidate mcar Nov 2018 #8

Exactly ismnotwasm Nov 2018 #9

Some of theses people probably voted for Obama though. Gillum, and Abrams, was just too far left. nt mr_liberal Nov 2018 #12

So they voted for a RWNJ racist instead? mcar Nov 2018 #13

Or just didn't vote because Gillum was too far left. nt mr_liberal Nov 2018 #16

It's called the Bradley effect., lovemydogs Nov 2018 #36

I kept hearing about the "Bill Bradley" effect -- dawg day Nov 2018 #65

Not true. Usually that's the excuse. rockfordfile Nov 2018 #63

No, Obama's half white so they felt more comfortable. Rascist is as racist does Bernie. Pisces Nov 2018 #22

Jimmy Carter's grandson only got 44.8% of GOV vote in 2014 delisen Nov 2018 #71

If the voter and the candidate share political ideology and supports the candidate's agenda tymorial Nov 2018 #30

JUst Like You Can't Be A Little Bit Pregnant Me. Nov 2018 #55

Yep mcar Nov 2018 #79

If you run a black candidate in a purple state they have to be a moderate. mr_liberal Nov 2018 #10

Yup, I agree. n/t Zing Zing Zingbah Nov 2018 #11

"Moderate blacks only." David__77 Nov 2018 #15

I agree w/ Zing, but... MissMillie Nov 2018 #121

Sure looks that way, not to mention, Gillum was forced to explain R B Garr Nov 2018 #20

we ran a moderate white qazplm135 Nov 2018 #40

He ran against a far stronger candidate in Scott Polybius Nov 2018 #108

Bernie thanks for reminding many of us brown and black people DonCoquixote Nov 2018 #14

Exactly Pisces Nov 2018 #23

This crap wryter2000 Nov 2018 #29

I do NOT think Sanders should adjudicate who's not racist in this manner. David__77 Nov 2018 #17

Sounds to me that Bernie believes white privilege ... GeorgeGist Nov 2018 #61

I'm sorry, but that sounds like confirmation that Bernie doesn't really undersand racism. Nitram Nov 2018 #18

+1000 (nt) ehrnst Nov 2018 #25

Exactly. And don't be sorry to tell the truth. nt SunSeeker Nov 2018 #49

Agreed Gothmog Nov 2018 #90

Post removed Post removed Nov 2018 #19

... NurseJackie Nov 2018 #21

So the people MontanaMama Nov 2018 #26

What is bernies definition of many, I call him on his bullshit beachbum bob Nov 2018 #28

I've thought the same thing lovemydogs Nov 2018 #32

Bernie, substitute "Jew" in this scenario TexasBushwhacker Nov 2018 #37

It's not outright racism. It's more about some old deep attitudes. lovemydogs Nov 2018 #41

It's still racism, no matter how the individual or Sanders tries to justify it. brush Nov 2018 #46

Yeah, that's still racism. Adrahil Nov 2018 #50

It's racism. Unconscious, perhaps, but racism nevertheless. Nitram Nov 2018 #110

I think some here are letting their strange hate for Sanders blur them to facts. lovemydogs Nov 2018 #38

I like Sanders. He says dumb shit sometimes. "What Bernie REALLY meant to say" doesn't cut it here emulatorloo Nov 2018 #42

Come on, The Bradley Effect is still racism. See post 39 below. brush Nov 2018 #48

You can still like him. This was an incredibly ignorant thing to say, regardless. NT Adrahil Nov 2018 #51

There's an audio of the interview. In context, he discussed the ramping up of racism and hate ... Donkees Nov 2018 #95

lovemydogs, you are imagining things. Calling out racism does not mean we hate Bernie. Nitram Nov 2018 #111

I read this on another thread, and the more I think about this, I have to ask, what is his point? Wintryjade Nov 2018 #47

For One Me. Nov 2018 #59

He is not a Democrat. Sanders states he isn't a Democrat. D is not behind his name, I is. Wintryjade Nov 2018 #69

He Will Never Say Until It SErves HIm To Do So Me. Nov 2018 #72

But, this is not about Bernie Sanders. It is about our Democratic Party and the 2020 race. Wintryjade Nov 2018 #75

I Don't Quite Get Your Point Then Me. Nov 2018 #80

My point. Sanders must state now if he is running and what party he expects to run with. Wintryjade Nov 2018 #83

But You Keep Insisting It's His Choice Me. Nov 2018 #93

It is his choice if he runs or not. Right? Wintryjade Nov 2018 #94

He Can Run Me. Nov 2018 #96

Ok. So all I am saying is I would like that conversation now as opposed to later. Wintryjade Nov 2018 #97

Who Knows If There Will Be Any Conversation At All Me. Nov 2018 #98

You got that right. Wintryjade Nov 2018 #104

Hey Bernie & Hillary you're going to team-up early 2020 primary & let us D voters Sunlei Nov 2018 #117

Fred Astaire (I think)..."Both women and men can dance. libdem4life Nov 2018 #54

Ginger Rogers, Fred Astair's dance partner. comradebillyboy Nov 2018 #56

Thanks. I knew it went something like that. Still too true. n/t libdem4life Nov 2018 #66

Obama won a whole lot of votes... dawg day Nov 2018 #57

yes, glad that this got pointed out Tumbulu Nov 2018 #88

Is it true that some white people are uncomfortable voting for African Americans? andym Nov 2018 #62

And there are many women who are uncomfortable voting for a woman. /nt hopeforchange2008 Nov 2018 #64

As a Boomer...I remember "Stand By Your Man". HRC got caught up in that one. libdem4life Nov 2018 #67

Imagine if Hillary had said that. ehrnst Nov 2018 #68

This is the same as saying, murielm99 Nov 2018 #74

I want Bernie's socialism without Bernie. eom HopeAgain Nov 2018 #76

The Democrats push "Bernie's socialism" every single day and for years. Well before Sanders, Wintryjade Nov 2018 #84

". . .first time in their lives. . ." ???. Excuse me, but. . . DinahMoeHum Nov 2018 #78

No hate, no snark, just a serious question: Blue_Tires Nov 2018 #81

ShopWorn Me. Nov 2018 #99

Because nobody voted for Obama? tinrobot Nov 2018 #82

yes, right? NT Tumbulu Nov 2018 #89

Bernie keeps hitting the nail on the noggin juxtaposed Nov 2018 #86

And he keeps hitting the nail with his noggin. bullimiami Nov 2018 #106

Exactly. MrsCoffee Nov 2018 #107

I am white and old. TruckFump Nov 2018 #91

sanders will get far less support than in 2016 if he runs Gothmog Nov 2018 #92

Speak for yourself, pal, not for me. n/t Raven Nov 2018 #100

Undeniable. The GOP is the party of racists. eom guillaumeb Nov 2018 #102

I'm not sure what... Mike Nelson Nov 2018 #103

Sorry Bernie. bullimiami Nov 2018 #105

Add Ben Jealous to That AnnieBW Nov 2018 #109

It seems that some of sanders progressives were the margin of victory for DeSantis Gothmog Nov 2018 #112

We call those people ellie Nov 2018 #113

I agree nexttime it will be easier for Andrew Gillum in Florida and Stacey Abrams in Georgia. Sunlei Nov 2018 #114

This message was self-deleted by its author geralmar Nov 2018 #118

We are talking about the general election, not primaries dansolo Nov 2018 #120

This message was self-deleted by its author geralmar Nov 2018 #125

This is all about campaigning for 2020 dansolo Nov 2018 #119

Post removed Post removed Nov 2018 #122

Dems continue to lose? Where the hell were you last week? MrsCoffee Nov 2018 #124

Neither Clinton nor Sanders nor Warren nor Deval nor Biden wiley Nov 2018 #123

Please Bernie I beg you, get out of the way of some more viable Democratic candidates. redstatebluegirl Nov 2018 #126

After this racial statement, I dare question his self professed claim as a 'Progressive Leader'. Bfd Nov 2018 #128

Not any party I belong to. redstatebluegirl Nov 2018 #129

Nor one I would ever belong to. I don't know what base he's speaking to, but its not ours. Bfd Nov 2018 #130

I knew the real Bernie would come out, and it did unfortunately. redstatebluegirl Nov 2018 #131

An assault from the right & the left. In motion before HRC ever formally announced her candidacy. Bfd Nov 2018 #132

Yep, and I'm not sure Bernie wasn't in on it. redstatebluegirl Nov 2018 #133

He knew exactly what he was there for. We all knew it was odd. Bfd Nov 2018 #134

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