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67. This compares to antisemetic literature and films of the past

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 08:37 AM

Sep 2012

But the makers of this film KNEW they were dealing with a very different culture than the Jewish groups of the past that had been conditioned to be meek and to submit to the hatred incited.

The problem is there is no effective response to unreasoning hatred and propaganda. If you do not fight back, it escalates; if you do fight back, that is used as additional ammunition with which to demonize your group.

I wonder exactly what the motivations of the film makers are other than simply inciting violence to make Muslims look bad? Are they influenced by some of the "end time" right wing Christians who want to bring about the events 'prophesied' before the 'Second Coming'? Or do they think that Israel will get more support if they can turn more Americans against Islamic cultures?

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Film That Sparked Cairo, Bengazi Protests The Work Of An American-Israeli [View all] Purveyor Sep 2012 OP

these people need to get a fucking life... 5m on this shite! trailmonkee Sep 2012 #1

???? How about the people doing the murdering of a movie? naaman fletcher Sep 2012 #40

No, you see, the movie is the problem, Flatulo Sep 2012 #61

Everyone sees what is going on, both the intent of creating this movie and its desired effect. The Stranger Sep 2012 #109

we didn't know because the filmaker and its backers don't give a shit about the lives of others, nanabugg Sep 2012 #140

five million'll buy a lot of hate speech.... mike_c Sep 2012 #2

If your response to being called hateful and violent Kurska Sep 2012 #5

Murdering innocent people because you are "insulted" by a movie is despicable oberliner Sep 2012 #21

gotta correct you slightly, murdering anyone over a movie is despicable, no offense. loli phabay Sep 2012 #22

Intentionally inciting such people to murder is equally despicable. The Stranger Sep 2012 #110

Not even close oberliner Sep 2012 #124

This isn't film making. This was simply created knowingly to spark violence. The Stranger Sep 2012 #155

There are people who would riot, murder, kill and burn shit over 2 men kissing, or a naked boob. Warren DeMontague Sep 2012 #168

Thank you. whathehell Sep 2012 #187

What a mess davidthegnome Sep 2012 #3

doesn't surprise me at all this pseudo-Christian asshat was involved. Roland99 Sep 2012 #69

This lunatic is a Christian Dominionist. amandabeech Sep 2012 #159

Religious intolerance is unAmerican. McCamy Taylor Sep 2012 #4

Eh, respectfully submit that Islam is different from other religions. Flatulo Sep 2012 #15

Really? Glad our crusading RW fundies don't kill abortion doctors, bomb clinics, or OKC Murrah BLDG hlthe2b Sep 2012 #26

I personally loathe all religions. I only point out that Islam is many orders of magnitude Flatulo Sep 2012 #33

Perhaps a run through history might give you more perspective-- Crusades ring even a distant bell? hlthe2b Sep 2012 #36

I wish you well in your campaign against the Crusades, Flatulo Sep 2012 #45

No one here is defending the violence.. Ugly ugly strawman argument you have going there.... hlthe2b Sep 2012 #47

And yet, the bulk of posts in this thread are attacking the film, Flatulo Sep 2012 #88

I blame both davidpdx Sep 2012 #185

Refusing to acknowledge obvious differences in cultures, religions or anything, really whathehell Sep 2012 #193

Islam is no more violent than Christianity. It's all about who's interpreting, and what they Voice for Peace Sep 2012 #57

In the entire span of human history they're probably pretty equal SpartanDem Sep 2012 #97

"but in the 21st century fundie Islam is no match for fundie Christians." atreides1 Sep 2012 #129

one difference, I think, is this: Voice for Peace Sep 2012 #138

LOL whathehell Sep 2012 #192

Is your point that Christianity is 1,000 years ahead of Islam? nt naaman fletcher Sep 2012 #139

Yes, very "distant" in that it happened centuries ago. whathehell Sep 2012 #188

Your simplistic ability to analyze, much less read what I wrote in my post, makes response to you hlthe2b Sep 2012 #190

No need to analyze a knee jerk "example" that is referenced repeatedly here whathehell Sep 2012 #191

With respect to hypocrisy... hlthe2b Sep 2012 #38

You realize that the Nazis in Germany were a right-wing Christian group auburngrad82 Sep 2012 #64

They sure did kill a few. Many Christians and clergy in that number. mwooldri Sep 2012 #113

I think your depiction of the Nazis as only nominally Christian is pretty accurate. Flatulo Sep 2012 #115

The Nazis tried to co-copt Christian churches. amandabeech Sep 2012 #161

There is ample documentation of the fact that many of the Nazi Party leadership drew upon pagan bobthedrummer Sep 2012 #196

Consider the possibility that having spent decades under the thumb of a violent despot magical thyme Sep 2012 #96

Correct - they assume media from other countries is state sponsored jberryhill Sep 2012 #102

You make some very good points, and I appreciate your taking the time to do so. Flatulo Sep 2012 #111

"these maniacs" are people. How about if we censor hate speech? magical thyme Sep 2012 #117

Thanks for pointing out all fundies are fucking nuts.. snooper2 Sep 2012 #90

Would you agree that Muslim fundies are also Flatulo Sep 2012 #93

of course they are, all fundies have something wrong in the brain.. snooper2 Sep 2012 #95

Thanks for clarifying. nt Flatulo Sep 2012 #107

Certainly right-wing ideology is dangerous anywhere Ash_F Sep 2012 #30

I don't belong to any religious group. I only point out that Islam is far more prone to Flatulo Sep 2012 #35

It is true that today there is too much radical conservatism in the Muslim world. Ash_F Sep 2012 #46

Let me be less coy, then... Flatulo Sep 2012 #58

OK, you had me and then you lost me Ash_F Sep 2012 #68

A liberal Western education would go a long way, Flatulo Sep 2012 #94

How about not DELIBERATELY inflaming the sensitivites of people of other countries and cultures? whathehell Sep 2012 #189

thank you, well said. Voice for Peace Sep 2012 #60

And a RW Republican advocated for DNC female Senators to have acid thrown on them. Get a clue. hlthe2b Sep 2012 #37

Actually, Townsend made that despicable remark several months ago onenote Sep 2012 #79

He should have been criminally charged. Speech of that Flatulo Sep 2012 #91

ever hear of the crusades or the spanish inquisition? frylock Sep 2012 #131

I've heard of the crusades... EX500rider Sep 2012 #142

Yup, heard of the crusades. I fully support your efforts to prosecute those Flatulo Sep 2012 #162

Hate is what he exemplifies, plain and simple. The Stranger Sep 2012 #6

I'm Catholic - have seen emilyg Sep 2012 #10

See reply #30 /nt Ash_F Sep 2012 #31

Don't worry, there have been scores of Catholics before you that DID feel the need to murder. The Stranger Sep 2012 #112

Any in the last hundred years? oberliner Sep 2012 #171

Then you admit that there have been scores of Catholics murdering for millenia. The Stranger Sep 2012 #200

I was just curious if there were any recent examples oberliner Sep 2012 #201

A stupid decision responded with more stupidity rachel1 Sep 2012 #7

Ah... but it has an ulterior motive. Just use some critical thinking about what this means to nanabugg Sep 2012 #14

not defending violence of any kind, but we can't kid ourselves that this was just a stupid movie Voice for Peace Sep 2012 #65

Why can't this movie be compare to 'Life of Brian'? Flatulo Sep 2012 #114

It can, what a comparison shows Chiquitita Sep 2012 #118

You can't compare the two because of context, timing, intention, and especially recent history. Voice for Peace Sep 2012 #134

Thanks for that excellent post. I can see that you've thought about this issue Flatulo Sep 2012 #180

thank you. Voice for Peace Sep 2012 #182

It's a nut war. defacto7 Sep 2012 #8

Interesting that the film was at first being claimed to have been the work of Egyptian Coptics azurnoir Sep 2012 #9

WTF? Are these guys on acid? Comrade Grumpy Sep 2012 #12

The producer of the film, Bacile, may have been born in Egypt. amandabeech Sep 2012 #141

Fumming Biafran Sep 2012 #17

there may have been more to it ya know little stuff like NATO bombings ect azurnoir Sep 2012 #50

NATO bombed Egypt? EX500rider Sep 2012 #143

not fast step there kudo's n/t azurnoir Sep 2012 #144

Do you mean the NATO bombing that liberated the Libyans for 40 years Flatulo Sep 2012 #165

Where is your ire directed? Flatulo Sep 2012 #116

Are you actually blaming the movie? oberliner Sep 2012 #19

You do realise this movie is full of bigotry and hate and isn't merely 'mocking'? Violet_Crumble Sep 2012 #41

agree it is the intention of the film makers that makes the difference. never to excuse violence Voice for Peace Sep 2012 #74

Absolutely oberliner Sep 2012 #119

well it seems that some are quite satisfied with intended incitement azurnoir Sep 2012 #49

You shouldn't kill people because of a movie oberliner Sep 2012 #120

and once again perhaps it was more than just the movie n/t azurnoir Sep 2012 #146

right... Javaman Sep 2012 #71

Huh? oberliner Sep 2012 #122

"Movies mocking religions should be plentiful and freely made with impunity. " Javaman Sep 2012 #125

I support the right to make movies mocking religion oberliner Sep 2012 #150

That's not what you said. Javaman Sep 2012 #167

Yes it is oberliner Sep 2012 #178

Then go for it. Javaman Sep 2012 #186

I'm 100% with you on that, brother. nt Flatulo Sep 2012 #121

so you're condoning the willfull incitement of violence? frylock Sep 2012 #133

Many movies seek to incite. Or inspire. Or scare. Or make you laugh. Zax2me Sep 2012 #32

yes glad to see your such a fan of 'Hollywood' n/t azurnoir Sep 2012 #53

True, but usually people who claim artistic license for controversial work Blue_Tires Sep 2012 #78

But if you saw this "movie" in a theatre and yelled "FIRE" you'd be arrested. bunnies Sep 2012 #59

Wow...Even the MST3K crew wouldn't get within 100 miles of this shitpile... Blue_Tires Sep 2012 #73

Turns out it was the work of Coptic Christians oberliner Sep 2012 #173

Egyptian Copts to protest against �Islam insult� film azurnoir Sep 2012 #177

Man will not truly be free... awoke_in_2003 Sep 2012 #11

Told you so! nt nanabugg Sep 2012 #13

Deport him to Egypt mwrguy Sep 2012 #16

yeah brilliant idea, what next deport anyone else who pisses of some religious nuts. loli phabay Sep 2012 #20

Yeah, let's fuck free speech. To hell with the 1st amendment. cali Sep 2012 #23

Grow Up oldsarge54 Sep 2012 #44

Don't you think that there is a responsibility to use your right to free speech wisely? auburngrad82 Sep 2012 #66

yes, but there's no mandate to do so. cali Sep 2012 #72

Well it just so happens our consulate in Benghazi has a job opening... Blue_Tires Sep 2012 #77

Killing people because of a movie is deranged oberliner Sep 2012 #18

but making such a movie a movie the maker admited was political a movie that clearly azurnoir Sep 2012 #56

Batman led to the killing of more people oberliner Sep 2012 #123

and that was the director's intent? frylock Sep 2012 #137

Of course not oberliner Sep 2012 #149

uhhh no, i believe the intent of this film was to incite violence.. frylock Sep 2012 #169

I disagree in both cases oberliner Sep 2012 #172

nobody had seen the movie till that night as it was the first screening.. frylock Sep 2012 #181

Interesting comment n/t azurnoir Sep 2012 #145

more stupid than interesting imho frylock Sep 2012 #170

The protestor/murderers thought this "film" was going to release in theaters all over the US Kolesar Sep 2012 #24

This story is not about whether or not it is appropriate to make fun of religion... Blue State Bandit Sep 2012 #25

Exactly... hlthe2b Sep 2012 #27

In that case, isn't anything which makes fun of religion ... GodlessBiker Sep 2012 #29

You miss the point. This was clearly a concerted effort to elicit a violent reaction. Blue State Bandit Sep 2012 #42

Awww - poor babies got their feelings hurt leftynyc Sep 2012 #39

Facts on the ground. Blue State Bandit Sep 2012 #43

I can say with 100% certainty that leftynyc Sep 2012 #48

Not really. I asked how rational you would be. Blue State Bandit Sep 2012 #55

I would ignore it leftynyc Sep 2012 #63

Don't you think the film makers are aware that MOST people would ignore it? auburngrad82 Sep 2012 #76

Rational adults would certainly ignore it leftynyc Sep 2012 #80

See response 54 auburngrad82 Sep 2012 #83

Every bit as responsible? leftynyc Sep 2012 #86

If the movie was never posted on youtube, this would not have happened. Blue State Bandit Sep 2012 #104

Perhaps leftynyc Sep 2012 #105

There are those on both sides who want this war. These people didn't just wake up yesterday... Blue State Bandit Sep 2012 #84

bullshit.. frylock Sep 2012 #136

No - I'm funny that way leftynyc Sep 2012 #154

Only extremists say things 100% certainty. Kindly Refrain Sep 2012 #132

More bullshit leftynyc Sep 2012 #152

Please tell me moleman1976 Sep 2012 #184

pretty much everyone's attitude is part of the problem. Voice for Peace Sep 2012 #81

That's my point leftynyc Sep 2012 #82

there are civilized and uncivilized people everywhere living in close proximity to each other. Voice for Peace Sep 2012 #85

I know what I see leftynyc Sep 2012 #87

statement from Tripoli Voice for Peace Sep 2012 #151

I saw that and wanted to come back leftynyc Sep 2012 #153

This compares to antisemetic literature and films of the past csziggy Sep 2012 #67

I'm mentally trying to compare it to Triumph of the Will, and getting a divide by zero error slackmaster Sep 2012 #106

Triumph of the Will was the culmunation of hubdreds of years of antisemetism csziggy Sep 2012 #174

"He" is not Israeli nor a Jew. Behind the Aegis Sep 2012 #176

I saw that after I had written my message csziggy Sep 2012 #179

This was indeed planned out. Behind the Aegis Sep 2012 #183

I just read about the possible Coptic connection in the fishwrap this morning slackmaster Sep 2012 #195

I suspect that the YouTube clips are all that actually exists slackmaster Sep 2012 #194

I haven't tried to watch them but the descriptions made me think csziggy Sep 2012 #199

So it is the FILM'S fault....oh. Zax2me Sep 2012 #28

Sam Bacile, Anti-Islam Filmmaker, In Hiding After Protests no_hypocrisy Sep 2012 #34

This religious hatred crap is getting exhausting JanMichael Sep 2012 #51

You and me both and then there is the constant whine of "but they started it first" like that cstanleytech Sep 2012 #70

Has Rmoney signed him up as an adviser yet? polichick Sep 2012 #52

"We went into this knowing this was probably going to happen" KeepItReal Sep 2012 #54

Yelling Fire in a theatre or inciting a riot are major crimes graham4anything Sep 2012 #62

Intolerant religious crazies made the movie, HooptieWagon Sep 2012 #75

An Israeli made this film. closeupready Sep 2012 #89

"Interesting" discussion here. So to some folks, would it be OK to film the Protocols of Malikshah Sep 2012 #92

Jesus Christ Superstar was labelled as blasphemy and sacrilege by Billy Graham and others slackmaster Sep 2012 #98

Yeah, come to think of it, I don't remember much rioting over the Book of Mormon play either. LAGC Sep 2012 #99

Another false equivalence --- Malikshah Sep 2012 #101

False equivalence here. JCS didn't depict its characters as pedophiles and slackers, nor did Malikshah Sep 2012 #100

It challenges the existence of God and the deity of Jesus, core beliefs among all Christians slackmaster Sep 2012 #103

Uh....who told you that about JCS?? Wow! Talk about needing a thick skin! Malikshah Sep 2012 #147

It doesn't bother me a bit slackmaster Sep 2012 #148

Sick of all these media heads inciting hate, then hiding behind their "Art" pink-o Sep 2012 #108

This message was self-deleted by its author polichick Sep 2012 #126

You're sure he's a Jew? How do you know? aquart Sep 2012 #127

There's a post elsewhere in GD dipsydoodle Sep 2012 #128

He *may* be Egyptian Kolesar Sep 2012 #130

Look for those who thought they would benefit from this film. kiranon Sep 2012 #135

Bacile not Israeli nlof Sep 2012 #156

Many Israelis know Arabic Kindly Refrain Sep 2012 #157

Steve Klein, the only person so far who purports to know Bacile, stated that Bacile is not Israeli goodhue Sep 2012 #158

You mean Steve Klein who is a member Kindly Refrain Sep 2012 #160

Indeed, he has no credibility, and may have perpetrated hoax over existence of film goodhue Sep 2012 #163

James O'Keefe. Where is he? randome Sep 2012 #164

Religious bigots Everywhere texshelters Sep 2012 #166

Turns out your story is BS oberliner Sep 2012 #175

Wasn't my 'story' however it was the story that was running on all the wires at the time of posting. Purveyor Sep 2012 #197

The person responsible for this headline should be fired oberliner Sep 2012 #198