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108. Sick of all these media heads inciting hate, then hiding behind their "Art"

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 10:30 AM

Sep 2012

O'Leilly calls George Tiller the baby killer, and some RW nutfuck shoots him...oh, but it's not Bill's fault. He's just a pundit and the media only a mirror held up to humanity.

And as for this POS waste of celluloid: look, if someone made an authentic documentary showing how Wahabiest Madrassas incite anger towards the west, and a bunch of Islamic Fundies staged a violent protest, then the condemnation would be understandable. But the filmakers only made this to provoke violnce--and innocent people died for it. They're as responsible as Billo for causing death.

Free speech vs Hate speech: we all know the diff, yet we sit here and wring hands, split hairs and tread softly in case we cross a line. It's time to call it what it is, and hold the bastards who purvey it accountable.

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these people need to get a fucking life... 5m on this shite! trailmonkee Sep 2012 #1

???? How about the people doing the murdering of a movie? naaman fletcher Sep 2012 #40

No, you see, the movie is the problem, Flatulo Sep 2012 #61

Everyone sees what is going on, both the intent of creating this movie and its desired effect. The Stranger Sep 2012 #109

we didn't know because the filmaker and its backers don't give a shit about the lives of others, nanabugg Sep 2012 #140

five million'll buy a lot of hate speech.... mike_c Sep 2012 #2

If your response to being called hateful and violent Kurska Sep 2012 #5

Murdering innocent people because you are "insulted" by a movie is despicable oberliner Sep 2012 #21

gotta correct you slightly, murdering anyone over a movie is despicable, no offense. loli phabay Sep 2012 #22

Intentionally inciting such people to murder is equally despicable. The Stranger Sep 2012 #110

Not even close oberliner Sep 2012 #124

This isn't film making. This was simply created knowingly to spark violence. The Stranger Sep 2012 #155

There are people who would riot, murder, kill and burn shit over 2 men kissing, or a naked boob. Warren DeMontague Sep 2012 #168

Thank you. whathehell Sep 2012 #187

What a mess davidthegnome Sep 2012 #3

doesn't surprise me at all this pseudo-Christian asshat was involved. Roland99 Sep 2012 #69

This lunatic is a Christian Dominionist. amandabeech Sep 2012 #159

Religious intolerance is unAmerican. McCamy Taylor Sep 2012 #4

Eh, respectfully submit that Islam is different from other religions. Flatulo Sep 2012 #15

Really? Glad our crusading RW fundies don't kill abortion doctors, bomb clinics, or OKC Murrah BLDG hlthe2b Sep 2012 #26

I personally loathe all religions. I only point out that Islam is many orders of magnitude Flatulo Sep 2012 #33

Perhaps a run through history might give you more perspective-- Crusades ring even a distant bell? hlthe2b Sep 2012 #36

I wish you well in your campaign against the Crusades, Flatulo Sep 2012 #45

No one here is defending the violence.. Ugly ugly strawman argument you have going there.... hlthe2b Sep 2012 #47

And yet, the bulk of posts in this thread are attacking the film, Flatulo Sep 2012 #88

I blame both davidpdx Sep 2012 #185

Refusing to acknowledge obvious differences in cultures, religions or anything, really whathehell Sep 2012 #193

Islam is no more violent than Christianity. It's all about who's interpreting, and what they Voice for Peace Sep 2012 #57

In the entire span of human history they're probably pretty equal SpartanDem Sep 2012 #97

"but in the 21st century fundie Islam is no match for fundie Christians." atreides1 Sep 2012 #129

one difference, I think, is this: Voice for Peace Sep 2012 #138

LOL whathehell Sep 2012 #192

Is your point that Christianity is 1,000 years ahead of Islam? nt naaman fletcher Sep 2012 #139

Yes, very "distant" in that it happened centuries ago. whathehell Sep 2012 #188

Your simplistic ability to analyze, much less read what I wrote in my post, makes response to you hlthe2b Sep 2012 #190

No need to analyze a knee jerk "example" that is referenced repeatedly here whathehell Sep 2012 #191

With respect to hypocrisy... hlthe2b Sep 2012 #38

You realize that the Nazis in Germany were a right-wing Christian group auburngrad82 Sep 2012 #64

They sure did kill a few. Many Christians and clergy in that number. mwooldri Sep 2012 #113

I think your depiction of the Nazis as only nominally Christian is pretty accurate. Flatulo Sep 2012 #115

The Nazis tried to co-copt Christian churches. amandabeech Sep 2012 #161

There is ample documentation of the fact that many of the Nazi Party leadership drew upon pagan bobthedrummer Sep 2012 #196

Consider the possibility that having spent decades under the thumb of a violent despot magical thyme Sep 2012 #96

Correct - they assume media from other countries is state sponsored jberryhill Sep 2012 #102

You make some very good points, and I appreciate your taking the time to do so. Flatulo Sep 2012 #111

"these maniacs" are people. How about if we censor hate speech? magical thyme Sep 2012 #117

Thanks for pointing out all fundies are fucking nuts.. snooper2 Sep 2012 #90

Would you agree that Muslim fundies are also Flatulo Sep 2012 #93

of course they are, all fundies have something wrong in the brain.. snooper2 Sep 2012 #95

Thanks for clarifying. nt Flatulo Sep 2012 #107

Certainly right-wing ideology is dangerous anywhere Ash_F Sep 2012 #30

I don't belong to any religious group. I only point out that Islam is far more prone to Flatulo Sep 2012 #35

It is true that today there is too much radical conservatism in the Muslim world. Ash_F Sep 2012 #46

Let me be less coy, then... Flatulo Sep 2012 #58

OK, you had me and then you lost me Ash_F Sep 2012 #68

A liberal Western education would go a long way, Flatulo Sep 2012 #94

How about not DELIBERATELY inflaming the sensitivites of people of other countries and cultures? whathehell Sep 2012 #189

thank you, well said. Voice for Peace Sep 2012 #60

And a RW Republican advocated for DNC female Senators to have acid thrown on them. Get a clue. hlthe2b Sep 2012 #37

Actually, Townsend made that despicable remark several months ago onenote Sep 2012 #79

He should have been criminally charged. Speech of that Flatulo Sep 2012 #91

ever hear of the crusades or the spanish inquisition? frylock Sep 2012 #131

I've heard of the crusades... EX500rider Sep 2012 #142

Yup, heard of the crusades. I fully support your efforts to prosecute those Flatulo Sep 2012 #162

Hate is what he exemplifies, plain and simple. The Stranger Sep 2012 #6

I'm Catholic - have seen emilyg Sep 2012 #10

See reply #30 /nt Ash_F Sep 2012 #31

Don't worry, there have been scores of Catholics before you that DID feel the need to murder. The Stranger Sep 2012 #112

Any in the last hundred years? oberliner Sep 2012 #171

Then you admit that there have been scores of Catholics murdering for millenia. The Stranger Sep 2012 #200

I was just curious if there were any recent examples oberliner Sep 2012 #201

A stupid decision responded with more stupidity rachel1 Sep 2012 #7

Ah... but it has an ulterior motive. Just use some critical thinking about what this means to nanabugg Sep 2012 #14

not defending violence of any kind, but we can't kid ourselves that this was just a stupid movie Voice for Peace Sep 2012 #65

Why can't this movie be compare to 'Life of Brian'? Flatulo Sep 2012 #114

It can, what a comparison shows Chiquitita Sep 2012 #118

You can't compare the two because of context, timing, intention, and especially recent history. Voice for Peace Sep 2012 #134

Thanks for that excellent post. I can see that you've thought about this issue Flatulo Sep 2012 #180

thank you. Voice for Peace Sep 2012 #182

It's a nut war. defacto7 Sep 2012 #8

Interesting that the film was at first being claimed to have been the work of Egyptian Coptics azurnoir Sep 2012 #9

WTF? Are these guys on acid? Comrade Grumpy Sep 2012 #12

The producer of the film, Bacile, may have been born in Egypt. amandabeech Sep 2012 #141

Fumming Biafran Sep 2012 #17

there may have been more to it ya know little stuff like NATO bombings ect azurnoir Sep 2012 #50

NATO bombed Egypt? EX500rider Sep 2012 #143

not fast step there kudo's n/t azurnoir Sep 2012 #144

Do you mean the NATO bombing that liberated the Libyans for 40 years Flatulo Sep 2012 #165

Where is your ire directed? Flatulo Sep 2012 #116

Are you actually blaming the movie? oberliner Sep 2012 #19

You do realise this movie is full of bigotry and hate and isn't merely 'mocking'? Violet_Crumble Sep 2012 #41

agree it is the intention of the film makers that makes the difference. never to excuse violence Voice for Peace Sep 2012 #74

Absolutely oberliner Sep 2012 #119

well it seems that some are quite satisfied with intended incitement azurnoir Sep 2012 #49

You shouldn't kill people because of a movie oberliner Sep 2012 #120

and once again perhaps it was more than just the movie n/t azurnoir Sep 2012 #146

right... Javaman Sep 2012 #71

Huh? oberliner Sep 2012 #122

"Movies mocking religions should be plentiful and freely made with impunity. " Javaman Sep 2012 #125

I support the right to make movies mocking religion oberliner Sep 2012 #150

That's not what you said. Javaman Sep 2012 #167

Yes it is oberliner Sep 2012 #178

Then go for it. Javaman Sep 2012 #186

I'm 100% with you on that, brother. nt Flatulo Sep 2012 #121

so you're condoning the willfull incitement of violence? frylock Sep 2012 #133

Many movies seek to incite. Or inspire. Or scare. Or make you laugh. Zax2me Sep 2012 #32

yes glad to see your such a fan of 'Hollywood' n/t azurnoir Sep 2012 #53

True, but usually people who claim artistic license for controversial work Blue_Tires Sep 2012 #78

But if you saw this "movie" in a theatre and yelled "FIRE" you'd be arrested. bunnies Sep 2012 #59

Wow...Even the MST3K crew wouldn't get within 100 miles of this shitpile... Blue_Tires Sep 2012 #73

Turns out it was the work of Coptic Christians oberliner Sep 2012 #173

Egyptian Copts to protest against ‘Islam insult’ film azurnoir Sep 2012 #177

Man will not truly be free... awoke_in_2003 Sep 2012 #11

Told you so! nt nanabugg Sep 2012 #13

Deport him to Egypt mwrguy Sep 2012 #16

yeah brilliant idea, what next deport anyone else who pisses of some religious nuts. loli phabay Sep 2012 #20

Yeah, let's fuck free speech. To hell with the 1st amendment. cali Sep 2012 #23

Grow Up oldsarge54 Sep 2012 #44

Don't you think that there is a responsibility to use your right to free speech wisely? auburngrad82 Sep 2012 #66

yes, but there's no mandate to do so. cali Sep 2012 #72

Well it just so happens our consulate in Benghazi has a job opening... Blue_Tires Sep 2012 #77

Killing people because of a movie is deranged oberliner Sep 2012 #18

but making such a movie a movie the maker admited was political a movie that clearly azurnoir Sep 2012 #56

Batman led to the killing of more people oberliner Sep 2012 #123

and that was the director's intent? frylock Sep 2012 #137

Of course not oberliner Sep 2012 #149

uhhh no, i believe the intent of this film was to incite violence.. frylock Sep 2012 #169

I disagree in both cases oberliner Sep 2012 #172

nobody had seen the movie till that night as it was the first screening.. frylock Sep 2012 #181

Interesting comment n/t azurnoir Sep 2012 #145

more stupid than interesting imho frylock Sep 2012 #170

The protestor/murderers thought this "film" was going to release in theaters all over the US Kolesar Sep 2012 #24

This story is not about whether or not it is appropriate to make fun of religion... Blue State Bandit Sep 2012 #25

Exactly... hlthe2b Sep 2012 #27

In that case, isn't anything which makes fun of religion ... GodlessBiker Sep 2012 #29

You miss the point. This was clearly a concerted effort to elicit a violent reaction. Blue State Bandit Sep 2012 #42

Awww - poor babies got their feelings hurt leftynyc Sep 2012 #39

Facts on the ground. Blue State Bandit Sep 2012 #43

I can say with 100% certainty that leftynyc Sep 2012 #48

Not really. I asked how rational you would be. Blue State Bandit Sep 2012 #55

I would ignore it leftynyc Sep 2012 #63

Don't you think the film makers are aware that MOST people would ignore it? auburngrad82 Sep 2012 #76

Rational adults would certainly ignore it leftynyc Sep 2012 #80

See response 54 auburngrad82 Sep 2012 #83

Every bit as responsible? leftynyc Sep 2012 #86

If the movie was never posted on youtube, this would not have happened. Blue State Bandit Sep 2012 #104

Perhaps leftynyc Sep 2012 #105

There are those on both sides who want this war. These people didn't just wake up yesterday... Blue State Bandit Sep 2012 #84

bullshit.. frylock Sep 2012 #136

No - I'm funny that way leftynyc Sep 2012 #154

Only extremists say things 100% certainty. Kindly Refrain Sep 2012 #132

More bullshit leftynyc Sep 2012 #152

Please tell me moleman1976 Sep 2012 #184

pretty much everyone's attitude is part of the problem. Voice for Peace Sep 2012 #81

That's my point leftynyc Sep 2012 #82

there are civilized and uncivilized people everywhere living in close proximity to each other. Voice for Peace Sep 2012 #85

I know what I see leftynyc Sep 2012 #87

statement from Tripoli Voice for Peace Sep 2012 #151

I saw that and wanted to come back leftynyc Sep 2012 #153

This compares to antisemetic literature and films of the past csziggy Sep 2012 #67

I'm mentally trying to compare it to Triumph of the Will, and getting a divide by zero error slackmaster Sep 2012 #106

Triumph of the Will was the culmunation of hubdreds of years of antisemetism csziggy Sep 2012 #174

"He" is not Israeli nor a Jew. Behind the Aegis Sep 2012 #176

I saw that after I had written my message csziggy Sep 2012 #179

This was indeed planned out. Behind the Aegis Sep 2012 #183

I just read about the possible Coptic connection in the fishwrap this morning slackmaster Sep 2012 #195

I suspect that the YouTube clips are all that actually exists slackmaster Sep 2012 #194

I haven't tried to watch them but the descriptions made me think csziggy Sep 2012 #199

So it is the FILM'S fault....oh. Zax2me Sep 2012 #28

Sam Bacile, Anti-Islam Filmmaker, In Hiding After Protests no_hypocrisy Sep 2012 #34

This religious hatred crap is getting exhausting JanMichael Sep 2012 #51

You and me both and then there is the constant whine of "but they started it first" like that cstanleytech Sep 2012 #70

Has Rmoney signed him up as an adviser yet? polichick Sep 2012 #52

"We went into this knowing this was probably going to happen" KeepItReal Sep 2012 #54

Yelling Fire in a theatre or inciting a riot are major crimes graham4anything Sep 2012 #62

Intolerant religious crazies made the movie, HooptieWagon Sep 2012 #75

An Israeli made this film. closeupready Sep 2012 #89

"Interesting" discussion here. So to some folks, would it be OK to film the Protocols of Malikshah Sep 2012 #92

Jesus Christ Superstar was labelled as blasphemy and sacrilege by Billy Graham and others slackmaster Sep 2012 #98

Yeah, come to think of it, I don't remember much rioting over the Book of Mormon play either. LAGC Sep 2012 #99

Another false equivalence --- Malikshah Sep 2012 #101

False equivalence here. JCS didn't depict its characters as pedophiles and slackers, nor did Malikshah Sep 2012 #100

It challenges the existence of God and the deity of Jesus, core beliefs among all Christians slackmaster Sep 2012 #103

Uh....who told you that about JCS?? Wow! Talk about needing a thick skin! Malikshah Sep 2012 #147

It doesn't bother me a bit slackmaster Sep 2012 #148

Sick of all these media heads inciting hate, then hiding behind their "Art" pink-o Sep 2012 #108

This message was self-deleted by its author polichick Sep 2012 #126

You're sure he's a Jew? How do you know? aquart Sep 2012 #127

There's a post elsewhere in GD dipsydoodle Sep 2012 #128

He *may* be Egyptian Kolesar Sep 2012 #130

Look for those who thought they would benefit from this film. kiranon Sep 2012 #135

Bacile not Israeli nlof Sep 2012 #156

Many Israelis know Arabic Kindly Refrain Sep 2012 #157

Steve Klein, the only person so far who purports to know Bacile, stated that Bacile is not Israeli goodhue Sep 2012 #158

You mean Steve Klein who is a member Kindly Refrain Sep 2012 #160

Indeed, he has no credibility, and may have perpetrated hoax over existence of film goodhue Sep 2012 #163

James O'Keefe. Where is he? randome Sep 2012 #164

Religious bigots Everywhere texshelters Sep 2012 #166

Turns out your story is BS oberliner Sep 2012 #175

Wasn't my 'story' however it was the story that was running on all the wires at the time of posting. Purveyor Sep 2012 #197

The person responsible for this headline should be fired oberliner Sep 2012 #198