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37. Yes, the cisneros (Cuban) are very responsible for Chavez taking power

Tue Feb 26, 2019, 11:29 PM

Feb 2019

Although the Cisneros family set root in Venezuela, are extremely wealthy, they have also invested heavily in the USA, they were big supporters of Chavez and gave him a lot of money during the campaign, and they did it because they were going to, or thought, they would benefit financially from Chavez becoming president.

Yes, they are traitors to the country, and continue to be.

Gustavo Cisneros was born in Venezuela but his ancestors are Cuban, not that is relevant either, I don't think they have any loyalty to Cuba, only to their wealth.

Again, I am not sure what you are trying to prove with this information, it doesn't excuse or make less evil the maduro regime, or makes it a bad idea for the USA and the coalition to get rid of the regime.

The fact that Cisneros bankrolled Chavez doesn't mean anything, Cisneros is a traitor but the regime is full of crooks, it has destroyed the country and continues to do so, it has pilferage the riches Venezuela once had, continues to torture, kill innocent people, continues to support terrorist groups, Putin is their best friend...so what are you getting at by showing Cisneros? He is part of the problem, but the problem does not go away unless its removed by force...Once again, my apologies, but every comeback you have leaves me confused of what you are trying to prove.

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Brazil will not allow U.S. use its territory to invade Venezuela - vice president [View all] Judi Lynn Feb 2019 OP

Well, I hope he's right but doesn't Brazil have a RW nut job running the country now? yaesu Feb 2019 #1

No belief unified South America more than opposition to US intervention. GulfCoast66 Feb 2019 #6

Very interesting to hear this. It could be deeply important, no doubt about it. Judi Lynn Feb 2019 #8

Very true. Amimnoch Feb 2019 #27

That's because the US has been doing it for decades, maybe centuries... Wounded Bear Feb 2019 #44

Womp womp Bolton & Pompeo, must sting when Bolsonaro doesn't provide unconditional support Devil Child Feb 2019 #2

Definitely hopes it gives them a sharp burn. Judi Lynn Feb 2019 #9

By all means. They expect Latin American would-be leaders to lie prostrate Judi Lynn Mar 2019 #62

Do we need another war? left-of-center2012 Feb 2019 #3

I think Trump believes a war against our neighbors to the south would divert attention Judi Lynn Feb 2019 #4

That sick renegade from reality would stoop to any level to be a war president. mpcamb Feb 2019 #5

Absolutely. It would be a high " which the world has never seen before!" (Trump speak) Judi Lynn Feb 2019 #15

I think Trump sees it as a great diversion from the country's awareness of his legal trouble. Judi Lynn Feb 2019 #10

Here you go, read a little bit of what is really happening in Venezuela Perseus Feb 2019 #7

Bless your heart, here you go: Judi Lynn Feb 2019 #12

Not sure what your goal with this is Perseus Feb 2019 #17

Please share some of your sources on the "left wing nut case) Adriaan Alsema. Have never seen that. Judi Lynn Feb 2019 #24

You are very correct about violence to journalists in Colombia JonLP24 Feb 2019 #32

Here, a link right here at DU Perseus Feb 2019 #18

Your source cites two gentlemen from "US broadcaster Univision." Judi Lynn Feb 2019 #25

Yes, the cisneros (Cuban) are very responsible for Chavez taking power Perseus Feb 2019 #37

Gustavos Cisneros was one of the COUP PLOTTERS, a PRIMARY plotter. Period. n/t Judi Lynn Feb 2019 #39

He may have been, but he helped put Chavez on the presidency Perseus Feb 2019 #40

Where do you get that Cisneros was the primary plotter? Perseus Mar 2019 #46

Newsweek magazine, for one: Judi Lynn Mar 2019 #48

ColombiaReports isn't a legitimate source for information or objective reporting GatoGordo Feb 2019 #26

Would you provide proof Colombia Reports deals in misinformation? Judi Lynn Feb 2019 #30

You'll supply objective evidence to support your allegation, yes? LanternWaste Feb 2019 #33

US could do it with Marines & Paratroopers/Rangers if we were going to. EX500rider Feb 2019 #11

And what sense would that make? Judi Lynn Feb 2019 #13

Just pointing out the US does not need Brazil, Puerto Rico is close enough. nt EX500rider Feb 2019 #14

If you are open minded and try to read the article then it makes sense Perseus Feb 2019 #19

Venezuela has an active military of 130,000 men. Cold War Spook Feb 2019 #16

Venezuelan army has never fought a war Perseus Feb 2019 #20

I know Trump doesn't care, Cold War Spook Feb 2019 #21

The military leadership is very corrupt, and some of it is from Cuba Perseus Feb 2019 #22

What objective evidence leads you to that specific conclusion? LanternWaste Feb 2019 #34

Because I have family and friends who live there, because I have lived there Perseus Feb 2019 #35

You go out of your way to mock the poor people in Venezuela. Judi Lynn Mar 2019 #63

B-52's don't carpet bomb anymore, they release JDAM's on specific targets. EX500rider Feb 2019 #23

Didn't most of the Iraqi units flee from battle during the US/UK invasion? Sapient Donkey Feb 2019 #43

Venezuela has fought no one in over 150 years GatoGordo Feb 2019 #28

Very good summary Perseus Feb 2019 #29

I don't believe the reports that Cabello has moved his family to Russia. MRubio Mar 2019 #54

I' ve seen references to the poor (indigenous, African-Venezuelan, and mixed heritage) Judi Lynn Feb 2019 #31

Actually, Venezuela doesn't have the issues the USA has with racism Perseus Feb 2019 #36

Small excerpt from Wikipedia: Judi Lynn Feb 2019 #38

"While a majority of Venezuelans identify as black, indigenous or mestizo" -- This is not true Perseus Feb 2019 #41

Oh, please. What about the riot US Vice President Nixon caused by visiting Caracas in 1958? Judi Lynn Feb 2019 #42

The Cuban revolution started in 1953 Perseus Mar 2019 #45

The real Venezuelan people are the massive poor population, not the fair-skinned racist elites. n/t Judi Lynn Mar 2019 #47

And with every passing day that massive poor population gets more and more poor....... MRubio Mar 2019 #49

After all, it's not as if our government has been trying to destroy that government from the moment Judi Lynn Mar 2019 #51

You can talk about Richard Nixon all day long......... MRubio Mar 2019 #56

You deliberately try to sidestep the point, and the point will always remain. Judi Lynn Mar 2019 #57

Are you actually arguing that the shape of Venezuela's economy today is the fault of............. MRubio Mar 2019 #58

Nice racist comment there, the "real Venz. people" are all her inhabitants. nt EX500rider Mar 2019 #59

"Because I have seen the military run when they get real opposition from the citizens...." MRubio Mar 2019 #50

Yeah, right. Who is "Jowls?" Thanks for your scholarly, trustworthy information. n/t Judi Lynn Mar 2019 #52

Jowls is Maduro, haven't you ever seen a photo or video of the man? MRubio Mar 2019 #55

Oh, you mean you want to take time to mock Maduro's fat cheeks? I see. Judi Lynn Mar 2019 #61

Yes when your country is starving and u are in charge and fat, people will notice..just like N Korea EX500rider Mar 2019 #64

Chavez was probably fat from side-effects of his cancer treatment. Jowls is fat because........ MRubio Mar 2019 #65

Judi Lynn, who are you? Where are you? Perseus Mar 2019 #66

Perseus, did you see my comment above about Godgiven Hair's family? MRubio Mar 2019 #67

I was here when Chavez was elected and told anyone who would listen............ MRubio Mar 2019 #68

+10,000 nt okaawhatever Mar 2019 #70

By the way Judi Lynn, here is a photo of Guaido, and an article of him going back to Venezuela Perseus Mar 2019 #69

Then invade Brazil first Renew Deal Mar 2019 #53

Good. 2naSalit Mar 2019 #60