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224. In what way is she not following the Constitution?

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 09:09 AM

Mar 2019

I believe that there needs to be solid evidence before one makes those charges, and since impeachment is a political action, not a criminal one, one needs the cooperation of the Senate, which we don't have.

Why do you think that we need impeach in order to have hearings? The Benghazi investigations/hearings went on forever without being an impeachment proceeding.

Perhaps you missed the public testimony of Michael Cohen? No impeachment was needed to call him before the House.

I think that's pretty damn big accomplishment especially considering the Federal Government was shut down for 35 days prior to that.

The House is having many, many hearings: https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/04/politics/house-investigations-congress-big-week/index.html

Why do you think that they are not doing what the Constitution states they need to be doing?

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Nancy Pelosi on Impeaching Trump: 'He's Just Not Worth It' [View all] brooklynite Mar 2019 OP

Obviously things can change, but it follows what I've been saying since January 20, 2017. bearsfootball516 Mar 2019 #1

He certainly deserves impeachment, BUT... DrToast Mar 2019 #5

He will not be prosecuted when he leaves office. former9thward Mar 2019 #47

Bush didn't have any dealings with SDNY leftofcool Mar 2019 #57

He was accused of murder, starting a false war and torture on this site. former9thward Mar 2019 #96

The State of New York isn't so lenient. SergeStorms Mar 2019 #99

Why haven't they before? former9thward Mar 2019 #102

They've never had... SergeStorms Mar 2019 #109

Oh BS former9thward Mar 2019 #134

Take a chill pill. SergeStorms Mar 2019 #201

Prosecutors don't take their cues from online message boards DrToast Mar 2019 #122

No one knows what they are doing. former9thward Mar 2019 #135

Oh hey look at this. DrToast Mar 2019 #198

Bushco and others should have been prosecuted. He's war criminal rockfordfile Mar 2019 #162

And Pelosi took xxqqqzme Mar 2019 #139

That pissed me off... yuiyoshida Mar 2019 #159

I wouldn't take an absolute position that Trump and his Crime family avebury Mar 2019 #154

Who will guarantee that the machines aren't rigged? maryallen Mar 2019 #114

+1. Honeycombe8 Mar 2019 #120

You'd never find a jury without at least one or two RWNJs to hang the jury. He'll never be convicted Hoyt Mar 2019 #147

Hahaha. Well done - "He's not worth it" TheCowsCameHome Mar 2019 #2

Do you really find that funny? Sucha NastyWoman Mar 2019 #13

Yeah... I don't get it. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2019 #17

She let Bush off the hook for invading a country that didn't attack us. "Off the table" BS, Nancy Evolve Dammit Mar 2019 #27

I hear ya! Impeachment should NOT be off the table. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2019 #28

Oh and torture was OK too. All the lies about aluminum tubes, mushroom clouds; zero accountability Evolve Dammit Mar 2019 #39

You hear WHAT, bashing of Pelosi? Eliot Rosewater Mar 2019 #67

Not bashing anyone... just can't understand talking impeachment off the table. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2019 #84

By acknowledging the fact that it would be little more than political theater? Jedi Guy Mar 2019 #163

Mueller is about as trustworthy as Comey...an impeachment trial will expose tRump-Russia collusion InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2019 #165

Okay then, if you say so. Jedi Guy Mar 2019 #168

+1000. ehrnst Mar 2019 #215

Because it's impossible without the Senate, would look like partisan theatre if the Dem leadership ehrnst Mar 2019 #214

The Shroom is a whole different story... can't compare to Bill. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2019 #217

And the other non-starters I listed? ehrnst Mar 2019 #218

I was so hoping she would leave on a high note. Baitball Blogger Mar 2019 #56

Her decision not to seek impeachment is VERY disappointing. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2019 #85

Yes, and it's brilliant. Don't ignore what comes after "unless". greyl Mar 2019 #19

Totally agree. pazzyanne Mar 2019 #93

Absolutely. SergeStorms Mar 2019 #103

Exactly. Trump is trying to play himself as persecuted. Chemisse Mar 2019 #124

Yeah, she's playing him More_Cowbell Mar 2019 #152

I'm thinking along these lines: yodermon Mar 2019 #31

What does that mean? nt Honeycombe8 Mar 2019 #121

Successful impeachment will require Republican Senators to vote with Dems to convict emulatorloo Mar 2019 #42

THIS is the issue - without 67 votes in the Senate, impeachment by the House is pointless AdamGG Mar 2019 #149

PLease Read The Entire Statement Me. Mar 2019 #49

Some wont read that far. Personally I think he should be impeached NO MATTER what, but I get Eliot Rosewater Mar 2019 #68

And...It's A Pointless Exercise Me. Mar 2019 #71

Impeachment doesn't mean removal. He can be impeached in the House. Honeycombe8 Mar 2019 #125

Exactly. Rizen Mar 2019 #158

That's... really not what she said at all, though. Jedi Guy Mar 2019 #166

It's never pointless to do one's duty. If the Senate fails to, that's on them. Honeycombe8 Mar 2019 #175

If the evidence shows impeachable offenses, I agree. Jedi Guy Mar 2019 #179

I agree. The evidence isn't there yet. Honeycombe8 Mar 2019 #180

Impeaching him with no hope of conviction does nothing constructive. Jedi Guy Mar 2019 #182

It will not help him and will not hurt the Democratic Party. Honeycombe8 Mar 2019 #184

I guess it comes down to whether or not you trust Pelosi to do the right thing. Jedi Guy Mar 2019 #188

She didn't say "I'm going to wait and see..." Honeycombe8 Mar 2019 #191

Agreed 100%. BlueWI Mar 2019 #189

Right...If It Can't Get Past The Con Senate It Will Be Pointless Me. Mar 2019 #171

It's our duty to impeach, if the evidence shows impeachable offenses. Honeycombe8 Mar 2019 #176

I'm Afraid I Disagree Me. Mar 2019 #181

I didn't say we had evidence NOW. If we don't impeach, then there's no point in the investigations. Honeycombe8 Mar 2019 #183

I Quite Agree About Investigations First Me. Mar 2019 #185

A former President is not going to be criminally indicted. Honeycombe8 Mar 2019 #186

I Believe You & I Will Continue To Disagree On His Criminality Me. Mar 2019 #187

SDNY is not prosecuting Trump for anything. Trump is who we are concerned with. Honeycombe8 Mar 2019 #190

Clearly You & I Are Not Having A Meeting Of The Minds Me. Mar 2019 #193

Yes - she didn't say it was "off the table." (nt) ehrnst Mar 2019 #216

the 'divisiveness' that scares dem pols is directly proportional to dem and prog orgs ignorance of certainot Mar 2019 #50

Not funny at all. And not going to help Democrats in 2020, either... regnaD kciN Mar 2019 #65

Ditto! LovingA2andMI Mar 2019 #91

I agree but you can't impeach him until the yuiyoshida Mar 2019 #169

If impeachment is impossible without the Senate, then how does impeachment ehrnst Mar 2019 #98

I agree with you. mgardener Mar 2019 #119

exactly..when was the last time a woman told him 'hes not worth it'.... samnsara Mar 2019 #43

so true Tumbulu Mar 2019 #54

What Nancy said True Blue American Mar 2019 #58

Every one of you swarming against Pelosi: go convince all the Republicans to impeach Trump. NBachers Mar 2019 #100

+1 happybird Mar 2019 #123

This. N/T Jedi Guy Mar 2019 #170

Last I checked, we had a House Democratic majority. BlueWI Mar 2019 #192

It's a good strategy that McConnell used effectively even w/o evidence ffr Mar 2019 #3

At this moment in time Pelosi is 100% correct, we do not have any mueller beachbum bob Mar 2019 #4

love nancy....shes always many steps ahead of everyone else.. samnsara Mar 2019 #46

I don't understand.... if he is not impeached then he gets to run again... TalenaGor Mar 2019 #6

impeaching only emboldens him and his supporters..can you imagine him loose as a samnsara Mar 2019 #51

yes I'm down with that lol but TalenaGor Mar 2019 #61

Agreed and even if he should escape jail for any federal crimes hopefully he wont escape it for cstanleytech Mar 2019 #95

He can run again if he is impeached. He would have to be convicted by the Senate totodeinhere Mar 2019 #70

nothing stops trump from running again,impeachment...does not at all nor does conviction, Pelosi beachbum bob Mar 2019 #137

Mobsters the world over lull their victims into complacency to make them feel safe... Vinnie From Indy Mar 2019 #7

Oh my!! MontanaMama Mar 2019 #8

Indeed! emulatorloo Mar 2019 #45

LOL wryter2000 Mar 2019 #97

Reverse psychology. C_U_L8R Mar 2019 #9

Indeed it does... targetpractice Mar 2019 #16

Oh, dear. I would've preferred a "this is not a discussion to have at this time" response. Honeycombe8 Mar 2019 #10

If I were Russia metalbot Mar 2019 #18

They wouldn't do that. The Democrats have the opposite agenda that Putin does. Honeycombe8 Mar 2019 #81

It's very much in their interests metalbot Mar 2019 #129

Absolutely not. Honeycombe8 Mar 2019 #131

I guess we'll have to disagree here metalbot Mar 2019 #136

I understand what she is saying, but Trump and his party of unquestioning followers rurallib Mar 2019 #11

right now, she won't because the votes aren't there and it would be perceived as... Javaman Mar 2019 #12

Some people in this thread think she's kidding BeyondGeography Mar 2019 #14

Totally agree....however, if there ever was someone that should have been impeached it was "W". walkingman Mar 2019 #20

I think you are incorrect Vinnie From Indy Mar 2019 #22

So just say you are letting the investigations run their course BeyondGeography Mar 2019 #25

Is democracy worth it? Fiendish Thingy Mar 2019 #15

Exactly my thoughts... Basement Beat Mar 2019 #23

x 1000 Evolve Dammit Mar 2019 #33

Relax. Her statement left the door open to impeachment. pnwmom Mar 2019 #78

But the problem is... Millions of Dems hear her statement and then start conceding that Impeachment lancelyons Mar 2019 #89

I think the greater risk would be if the House were to impeach and the Senate pnwmom Mar 2019 #141

Bingo. Jedi Guy Mar 2019 #172

There is a HUGE difference between now and then lancelyons Mar 2019 #173

"Republicans should be MADE to PAY for this" - is exactly what they would think of impeachment ehrnst Mar 2019 #219

You're thinking about the wrong President Fiendish Thingy Mar 2019 #174

People here either don't know that a House vote for impeachment would be purely symbolic Demit Mar 2019 #111

my thoughts exactly - n/t Locrian Mar 2019 #80

+100 Duppers Mar 2019 #101

The same ol' guard strikes again. Basement Beat Mar 2019 #21

Are you familiar with the term "HORSE COCK" Nancy flotsam Mar 2019 #24

The country is already divided, as bad as I've ever seen it! icymist Mar 2019 #26

But the country is worth it. nt yaesu Mar 2019 #29

Zactly. Duppers Mar 2019 #104

So then, BlueWI Mar 2019 #30

Disagree. Even low-lifes like Trump should NOT get away with impeachable offenses. It continues a FailureToCommunicate Mar 2019 #32

I disagree with her on this hueymahl Mar 2019 #34

Totally disagree with Speaker Pelosi on this watoos Mar 2019 #35

As the investigations become public.... Mustellus Mar 2019 #36

Conviction in the Senate takes 67 bearsfootball516 Mar 2019 #87

i agree.. trumps not worth a plug nickle let alone be the reason why America divides... samnsara Mar 2019 #37

I think she is just trolling Trump DBoon Mar 2019 #38

me too!!! this is Nancy wink winking at us... samnsara Mar 2019 #40

He is not worth it True Blue American Mar 2019 #106

only if it's part of the chess match.. Chakaconcarne Mar 2019 #41

Another Republican Problem playaseeker Mar 2019 #44

Excellent point! And welcome to DU! Rhiannon12866 Mar 2019 #194

She is right, until the Mueller or the Congressional Investigations is finished, and demonstrates still_one Mar 2019 #48

Moving beyond this moment Congress needs Raven123 Mar 2019 #52

I interpret her quote as "when the Rs have had enough, we'll be here." eggplant Mar 2019 #53

We are not a united party. Baitball Blogger Mar 2019 #55

I'll settle for the complete and utter destruction of the GOP. . . DinahMoeHum Mar 2019 #59

That won't happen anytime soon. As long as they have that solid base of supporters totodeinhere Mar 2019 #77

Impeachment is a non-starter kurtcagle Mar 2019 #60

Madam Speaker so right again Proud Veteran Mar 2019 #62

She knows the votes for impeachment just aren't there in the senate. Thekaspervote Mar 2019 #63

I am so disappointed with Nancy Pelosi SkatmanRoth Mar 2019 #64

What do you think is going to happen once the House impeaches and the Senate acquits him? Jake Stern Mar 2019 #150

She's right mcar Mar 2019 #66

He will be, but not by the Dems infullview Mar 2019 #69

Its WEAK...but the dems cant do anything to make the Republicans see any of the crimes. lancelyons Mar 2019 #72

Of course the next Democrat president that Farts wrong will be impeached. This is crazy. lancelyons Mar 2019 #76

With all due respect, Nancy... world wide wally Mar 2019 #73

We wouldn't even come close in the Senate at this point. And newspaper reports pnwmom Mar 2019 #79

You wait for twitter tonight....... Mustellus Mar 2019 #74

Instead, let's torture him with investigations and legislative maneuvering Fritz Walter Mar 2019 #75

this could also backfire. lancelyons Mar 2019 #82

she's telling trump he's irrelevent, a nothing agingdem Mar 2019 #83

The Speaker doesn't exist to harass the President. She has a job with duties. Honeycombe8 Mar 2019 #130

until she has Republican support agingdem Mar 2019 #142

No surprise whyzayker Mar 2019 #86

Makes sense to me. Impeachment would indeed divide the country and would wind but being.... George II Mar 2019 #88

Bull.... LovingA2andMI Mar 2019 #90

Can't impeach with this generation of Republican Senators. GETPLANING Mar 2019 #92

Correct. The DEMS are powerless at the moment in regards to impeachment. lancelyons Mar 2019 #107

Look how well impeaching Clinton did for the Republicans wryter2000 Mar 2019 #94

Actually, the impeachment and the facts brought to light BlueWI Mar 2019 #195

Democrats LOST the next 3 elections. nt RandiFan1290 Mar 2019 #205

Not POTUS.... and yes, the Party that has the WH usually takes a hit the ehrnst Mar 2019 #223

yes, potus RandiFan1290 Mar 2019 #230

No, next POTUS election was 1994, then Gore won in 2000 (SCOTUS handed it to W) ehrnst Mar 2019 #231

"...something so compelling and overwhelming and bipartisan" LiberalLovinLug Mar 2019 #105

So, then you see the futility of threatening impeachment right now. ehrnst Mar 2019 #232

As I said, I am willing to wait awhile longer. LiberalLovinLug Mar 2019 #234

"Hysterical" Just the thing that gains a woman in power respect... ehrnst Mar 2019 #235

If you doubt that impeachment is divisivie, pazzyanne Mar 2019 #108

I agree that impeachment would fail; and that would increase the freak's chances in 2020... C Moon Mar 2019 #110

Trumps plan to muddy the waters and keep his guys on his side, WORKED lancelyons Mar 2019 #112

Unfortunately they have something we don't. . . . a sympathetic media Jake Stern Mar 2019 #196

They also own the Senate re-election map. lancelyons Mar 2019 #210

She knows how she's seen by opponents and could be playing reverse psychology. The GOP ancianita Mar 2019 #113

Great leadership, she thinks 10 steps ahead AlexSFCA Mar 2019 #115

When our leaders do this.. it makes our voters want to not come out and VOTE. lancelyons Mar 2019 #116

Impeachment's in the House, Removal's in the Senate... RobertDevereaux Mar 2019 #117

As if the country wasn't already divided. Rizen Mar 2019 #118

Why give trump this kind of breathing room? Paladin Mar 2019 #126

Nancy is leaving an important thing UNSAID here FakeNoose Mar 2019 #127

Not quite correct. TexasTowelie Mar 2019 #209

"bipartisan" gave her an OUT Ferrets are Cool Mar 2019 #128

Is a tumorous cancer worth cutting out? Maxheader Mar 2019 #132

Are you freaking kidding me Pelosi!! Lotus54 Mar 2019 #133

Yes, probably true as long... Dan Mar 2019 #138

Link to The Guardian update thread nitpicker Mar 2019 #140

Now I see how TRump can shoot somebody in the middle of 5th avenue and get away with it. bahrbearian Mar 2019 #143

He's not worth it, no, I suppose - but dammit: THIS COUNTRY IS WORTH IT! Rabrrrrrr Mar 2019 #144

Code for: the house will not lead - but if the Mueller report is sufficiently damning - harumph Mar 2019 #145

this is a thing of truth and beauty Deb Mar 2019 #146

No, he isn't, Madam Speaker. BUT WE ARE!!! AllyCat Mar 2019 #148

Mediocre and not worth it DeminPennswoods Mar 2019 #151

SMH, she has just given him a blank cheque for bad behavior. Mr. Sparkle Mar 2019 #153

That's exactly how he sees it dalton99a Mar 2019 #199

Maybe this is a fake-out and she WILL impeach him when the time is right. no_hypocrisy Mar 2019 #155

What if reasonable people believe that he is too... dchill Mar 2019 #156

At this point the efforts are better served with congressional investigations and Mueller. Afromania Mar 2019 #157

This message was self-deleted by its author Huffleprecious Mar 2019 #160

She's exactly right Docreed2003 Mar 2019 #161

Well we already know that trump's base thinks about trump treason with Russia. rockfordfile Mar 2019 #164

oh yes! This is Trump's Republican party now... yuiyoshida Mar 2019 #177

OH WHO CARES - the hardcore base is only a lousy 30% - theres nothing that can be Kashkakat v.2.0 Mar 2019 #213

YES!!! SkyDaddy7 Mar 2019 #220

+1 Docreed2003 Mar 2019 #221

I'm fearing that RUMP's message NOW will be bluestarone Mar 2019 #167

She understands the GOP Senate caucus does not have the moral character to convict the pig. Thomas Hurt Mar 2019 #178

impeachment should be on the front burner stevesinpa Mar 2019 #197

Time to Get Tough,Nancy! McKim Mar 2019 #200

He's not worth it, but our country is! Laffy Kat Mar 2019 #202

This is her way of saying she doesn't have the votes, duforsure Mar 2019 #203

Link to the Guardian nitpicker Mar 2019 #204

IMPEACH PELOSI!!! nt SylviaD Mar 2019 #206

How do you propose to do that? ehrnst Mar 2019 #233

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2019 #207

Bull Shit sellitman Mar 2019 #208

The media is already talking about the Dems sucking up all the oxygen.. lancelyons Mar 2019 #211

EARTH TO PELOSI : country is already divided. Not following constitution to address high crimes Kashkakat v.2.0 Mar 2019 #212

In what way is she not following the Constitution? ehrnst Mar 2019 #224

She's not "not following the constitution" - but she is seemingly ruling out a constituional option Kashkakat v.2.0 Mar 2019 #225

Yes you said, "not following the constitution" ehrnst Mar 2019 #226

Why even say it is the big question BeyondGeography Mar 2019 #227

I trust Nancy more than the folks here on DU to know what ehrnst Mar 2019 #236

Then you are gullible. Bush and Trump...impeachment "off the table". WTF? nt SylviaD Mar 2019 #239

Ok... She didn't say impeachment for Trump is off the table. ehrnst Mar 2019 #241

I gave three specific reasons why her statement was lame BeyondGeography Mar 2019 #240

No, not blind faith. Just a clear understanding of who has expertise concerning ehrnst Mar 2019 #242

The man is a criminal that continues to misuse his office. If not impeachment, what? Return to Sanity Mar 2019 #222

There are other ways to chip away at DT other than impeachment - that's not the only avenue. ehrnst Mar 2019 #228

While I disagree wholeheartedly, I understand because... Blue_Tires Mar 2019 #229

Key bit here: "unless there's something so compelling and overwhelming and bipartisan" apnu Mar 2019 #237

I'm very torn. Turin_C3PO Mar 2019 #238