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getagrip_already

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29. it did.... twice...

Thu Mar 21, 2019, 08:21 AM

Mar 2019

But quick thinking by the crews averted a crash. They immediately disengaged the autopilot. A lot of our pilots are ex military, and the have flown lots of planes with flaky autopilots.

The incidents were mentioned in an unofficial website pilots use to share safety information. It's not public, but it's not official either. Pilots have found that official reports can take a long time to result in findings, so they share information informally.

There was a report yesterday where an extra pilot was deadheading in the jet that crashed in lion the day before it crashed and saved it from crashing then. Again, by disengaging the ap.

So that's a 3 for 5 save ratio by the pilots.

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Doomed Jets Lacked 2 Key Safety Features That Boeing Sold as Extras [View all] brooklynite Mar 2019 OP

You would think Docreed2003 Mar 2019 #1

Try to buy an automobile without paying to upgrade for available safety features. 3Hotdogs Mar 2019 #3

Are you really trying to compare those features with one that would keep a plane from crashing dem4decades Mar 2019 #5

Its a comparison of charging extra for any safety feature. 3Hotdogs Mar 2019 #6

Anti lock breaks were $1000 dollars back in the day Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2019 #52

The sensor disagree light was not standard exboyfil Mar 2019 #15

it did.... twice... getagrip_already Mar 2019 #29

My car doesn't but my wife's does Docreed2003 Mar 2019 #16

Cars kill way more zipplewrath Mar 2019 #26

So are lugnuts an "upgrade"?? Bengus81 Mar 2019 #32

I'm not defending Boeing but just about every instrument in a plane is a safety feature jgmiller Mar 2019 #56

It appears that it will cost Boeing millions. Which executives heads are going roll? olegramps Mar 2019 #43

Added safety features should be equivalent to a recall, rather than an "option."n/t MBS Mar 2019 #46

Agreed Docreed2003 Mar 2019 #48

I have a feeling that Boeing is going to wish they had provided Glorfindel Mar 2019 #2

Profits before safety and lives . . . Iliyah Mar 2019 #7

...And millions and millions in insurance settlements to pay the victims' families after disaster. Texin Mar 2019 #41

Ford Pinto gas tanks, anyone? 3Hotdogs Mar 2019 #54

Exactly. n/t MBS Mar 2019 #50

So they DELIBERATELY left off certain safety features? Scoopster Mar 2019 #4

Actually that is the airline who left off ordering those features to save money EX500rider Mar 2019 #65

Not necessarily to save money. Sometimes, it's judgments about human factors / pilot overload lostnfound Mar 2019 #66

Any safety system they can devise should be part of the standard package. Afromania Mar 2019 #8

Pure greed. dreamland Mar 2019 #9

Boeings new slogan... Javaman Mar 2019 #10

Say "bye bye", Boeing UpInArms Mar 2019 #11

What I would like to see this time around is an investigation to find the Baitball Blogger Mar 2019 #13

The Hell With That RobinA Mar 2019 #59

Unthinkable at one time. Baitball Blogger Mar 2019 #12

I don't subscribe to the nyt...what are the 2 items? Maxheader Mar 2019 #14

From the article: UpInArms Mar 2019 #20

Thanks... Maxheader Mar 2019 #24

Received the article..Thanks again.. Maxheader Mar 2019 #28

you can usually right click and open a private tab to get past the paywall. uncle ray Mar 2019 #68

Thanks uncle ray!... Maxheader Mar 2019 #69

So crash avoidance is now being sold as an "option package"??? bullwinkle428 Mar 2019 #17

You're gonna be glad you got that Tru-Coat jberryhill Mar 2019 #30

Aircraft gilligan Mar 2019 #18

Profits before people. This is what happens without regulations AllyCat Mar 2019 #19

Corporations do not self regulate, they have one mandate UpInArms Mar 2019 #21

Chinese made crap...but American companies bought it. AllyCat Mar 2019 #22

Safety feature should never be an upgrade for an additional cost avebury Mar 2019 #23

This is the final straw of America's leadership in airline safety FakeNoose Mar 2019 #25

It's A Shame RobinA Mar 2019 #60

OK...so the "features" were extra....what about the pilot training? Moostache Mar 2019 #27

Of course the flip side is why were the buyers too cheap to buy the safety features? getagrip_already Mar 2019 #31

Wait until all the new stick-frame apartment buildings start catching fire jberryhill Mar 2019 #33

What does that have to do with planes? getagrip_already Mar 2019 #34

I think I can answer that question ... mr_lebowski Mar 2019 #39

We Had This RobinA Mar 2019 #57

Same deal with that nursing home over in West Chester jberryhill Mar 2019 #58

Right! RobinA Mar 2019 #61

Reminds me of the Pinto. safeinOhio Mar 2019 #35

Really? A safety feature is an option? An added money maker? Absurd! Firestorm49 Mar 2019 #36

This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Mar 2019 #67

Boeing's Greed and Avarice Is Directly Responsible for Hundreds of Deaths dlk Mar 2019 #37

This isn't new... Blue_Tires Mar 2019 #38

Why Would You Charge More For Safety Features? Me. Mar 2019 #40

Another stunning example of capitalism at its finest DirtEdonE Mar 2019 #42

Isn't the larger question here why didn't the AIRLINES pay for those enhanced features? Texin Mar 2019 #44

I will take this one step further Texin... MontanaMama Mar 2019 #45

Thanks! AnnieBW Mar 2019 #49

I realize this comparison is nowhere near as critical DirtEdonE Mar 2019 #64

So, what was the price AnnieBW Mar 2019 #47

"The Last Nine Minutes" Moire Johnston Codifer Mar 2019 #51

Who wants to travel on a jet plane with half-assed safety features. democratisphere Mar 2019 #53

Just saw this headline WOW! underpants Mar 2019 #55

Hmm... So, possibly the avionics equivalent of insulin gouging then. Hugin Mar 2019 #62

We need to put Boeing's entire upper management in prison. n/t MicaelS Mar 2019 #63