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In reply to the discussion: Trump issues pardons in war-crimes cases, despite Pentagon opposition to the move [View all]demmiblue
(39,523 posts)30. Trump Betrays the Military
His intervention in decisions about war crimes undermines the moral standing of the armed forces.
President Donald Trump on Friday cleared three military service members of war crimes, even after being reportedly advised against doing so by Defense Secretary Mark Esper and Army Secretary Ryan McCarthy. Mr. Trump interceded on behalf of Army Maj. Mathew Golsteyn, who had been charged with murdering an Afghan man; Edward Gallagher, a Navy SEAL who was convicted in connection with posing for a photo with the corpse of a fighter in Iraq; and Army First Lt. Clint Lorance, who, after nine fellow unit members testified against him, had been convicted of murdering two civilians in Afghanistan.
Mr. Trump may believe that intervening pays respect to those who have served in uniform, that it shows hes pro-military. But if this is his view, hes wrong. In reality, Mr. Trumps meddling undermines the militarys institutional values, risks endangering American service members, and disrespects the honorable service of the overwhelming majority of veterans.
The military strives to ensure that its members adhere to the laws of war and respect human rights. Service members are trained, for example, to avoid civilian casualties by understanding rules of engagement and following the proper steps for escalation of force. They also learn the appropriate ways to treat detainees, and interrogators are trained to employ only the approved, legal methods.
During my two deployments to Afghanistan, my intelligence work helped lead to the capture of insurgent leaders. Sharing responsibility for their capture and as a recipient of the intelligence produced by their interrogations, I had a sense of moral reassurance in the understanding that my colleagues handled and interrogated the detainees humanely just as they had been trained.
The lessons service members learn about the laws of war are not an afterthought. Rather, they are central, emphasized time and again from training sessions and exercises, to military ethics discussions, to actual combat deployments. The Armys official values, after all, demand that soldiers do whats right, legally and morally and treat others with dignity and respect, making no exceptions for civilians or even enemies.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/15/opinion/trump-war-crimes-pardons-gallagher.html
President Donald Trump on Friday cleared three military service members of war crimes, even after being reportedly advised against doing so by Defense Secretary Mark Esper and Army Secretary Ryan McCarthy. Mr. Trump interceded on behalf of Army Maj. Mathew Golsteyn, who had been charged with murdering an Afghan man; Edward Gallagher, a Navy SEAL who was convicted in connection with posing for a photo with the corpse of a fighter in Iraq; and Army First Lt. Clint Lorance, who, after nine fellow unit members testified against him, had been convicted of murdering two civilians in Afghanistan.
Mr. Trump may believe that intervening pays respect to those who have served in uniform, that it shows hes pro-military. But if this is his view, hes wrong. In reality, Mr. Trumps meddling undermines the militarys institutional values, risks endangering American service members, and disrespects the honorable service of the overwhelming majority of veterans.
The military strives to ensure that its members adhere to the laws of war and respect human rights. Service members are trained, for example, to avoid civilian casualties by understanding rules of engagement and following the proper steps for escalation of force. They also learn the appropriate ways to treat detainees, and interrogators are trained to employ only the approved, legal methods.
During my two deployments to Afghanistan, my intelligence work helped lead to the capture of insurgent leaders. Sharing responsibility for their capture and as a recipient of the intelligence produced by their interrogations, I had a sense of moral reassurance in the understanding that my colleagues handled and interrogated the detainees humanely just as they had been trained.
The lessons service members learn about the laws of war are not an afterthought. Rather, they are central, emphasized time and again from training sessions and exercises, to military ethics discussions, to actual combat deployments. The Armys official values, after all, demand that soldiers do whats right, legally and morally and treat others with dignity and respect, making no exceptions for civilians or even enemies.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/15/opinion/trump-war-crimes-pardons-gallagher.html
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Trump issues pardons in war-crimes cases, despite Pentagon opposition to the move [View all]
BumRushDaShow
Nov 2019
OP
Evidently for Trump, war crimes are just fine and dandy. No surprise.
The Velveteen Ocelot
Nov 2019
#3
Right now, it is Trump condoning/pardoning war crimes, but in the long run, it will be America appro
keithbvadu2
Nov 2019
#5
I wonder how many pardons rump will grant when he is forced to leave office...can you ...
SWBTATTReg
Nov 2019
#7
The US is not a signatory to the ICC, therefore an indictment would be worthless and
dware
Nov 2019
#16
It's his big "fuck you" to America. He knows that non-MAGAts will be angered and appalled,
scarletwoman
Nov 2019
#15
I believe this is a stupid move that will appeal too a very limited number of voters. And lose a
Nitram
Nov 2019
#18
I may be wrong, but I believe anyone who supports that view is a hard core Tump supporter
Nitram
Nov 2019
#21
This is a warm up for Roger Stone and Rudy, if Barr allows Rudy's case to go on.
gab13by13
Nov 2019
#27
He made a public directive to basically ban the bullshit term "enhanced interrogation"
BumRushDaShow
Nov 2019
#42
Have you not seen how difficult it is to prosecute just simple stuff right now
BumRushDaShow
Nov 2019
#44