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25. Herd immunity only works when you have ONE form of disease...Not with over 35 mutations.

Thu Apr 23, 2020, 12:20 PM

Apr 2020

Last edited Thu Apr 23, 2020, 12:51 PM - Edit history (1)

It also depends on the herd having relatively uniform genetics. Modern Human genome is too complex and variable.

Herd immunity won't prevent reinfection with COVID-19 as we have already witnessed in China, New York, and elsewhere. They will be shocked when the 2nd wave hits. They are also likely under-counting due to the same mistakes made elsewhere regarding COVID-19 symptomatology.

I don't wish them the pain and suffering but they seem to be on a path towards losing 20-30% of their citizens.

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Sweden resisted a lockdown, and its capital Stockholm is expected to reach 'herd immunity' in weeks [View all] hueymahl Apr 2020 OP

Derp derp derp greenjar_01 Apr 2020 #1

"herd immunity" means "we hope it doesn't get worse" DBoon Apr 2020 #2

They're at 20% now, they say, and expect 60% in a few weeks. pnwmom Apr 2020 #26

"could be reached" IronLionZion Apr 2020 #3

Everyone keeps saying the sick and the old tavernier Apr 2020 #49

Tested positive is different from being dead IronLionZion Apr 2020 #53

there is plenty of question whether "herd immunity" is possible rampartc Apr 2020 #4

The concept of "herd immunity" greenjar_01 Apr 2020 #18

"both epidemiologically stupid and morally repugnant." +1 rampartc Apr 2020 #30

This can all be over much quicker if you let everyone get sick. Renew Deal Apr 2020 #5

Huh? Are you being sarcastic? Red Pest Apr 2020 #43

I'm half joking Renew Deal Apr 2020 #44

Peak the curve and get back to work IronLionZion Apr 2020 #54

No, it's epidemiology. LisaL Apr 2020 #46

LisaL: Your assumption that "it would be over quicker" implies that majdrfrtim Apr 2020 #56

Once this is all over hueymahl Apr 2020 #6

I Agree NonPC Apr 2020 #32

They're bucking the models. Igel Apr 2020 #33

Define "success." - If the definition of success allows for millions of dead, then sure. lagomorph777 Apr 2020 #52

Fair Question hueymahl Apr 2020 #59

Sweden's got low population density. Grokenstein Apr 2020 #7

Heheh. Newest Reality Apr 2020 #22

Protecting nursing homes hasn't worked out so well here, either. Igel Apr 2020 #34

they don't even know how long immunity will last, if its even viable with this virus. nt yaesu Apr 2020 #8

Exactly, gab13by13 Apr 2020 #13

You are Rebl2 Apr 2020 #27

In which case there'll be no vaccine. Igel Apr 2020 #35

Or there will be several vaccines. JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2020 #48

By this theory Roy Rolling Apr 2020 #9

That's essentially what they're doing William Seger Apr 2020 #12

The same is likely going to happen here just on a smaller curve. Ace Rothstein Apr 2020 #37

I'm afraid you are right hueymahl Apr 2020 #60

I can't believe they didn't consult with some of our epidemiologists in the forum HarlanPepper Apr 2020 #10

Yep, it would be over by now with our expertise. /s Steelrolled Apr 2020 #57

Population density of Stockholm Nasruddin Apr 2020 #11

They've already withdrawn this claim DrToast Apr 2020 #14

+1 GeorgeGist Apr 2020 #21

Trump has already gloated gab13by13 Apr 2020 #15

Only because Sweden is already doing exactly what Trump wants to do in the U.S. n/t OnlinePoker Apr 2020 #23

Sweden has twice the recorded cases as its neighbor Norway BlueIdaho Apr 2020 #16

Meanwhile, Sweden's fatality rate is 12.06%...only behind the UK, Italy and France in Europe. LudwigPastorius Apr 2020 #17

Maybe they overestimated Turbineguy Apr 2020 #19

Probably. Igel Apr 2020 #36

Trump is all for herd immunity... as long as he's the herd C_U_L8R Apr 2020 #20

He's what comes out of the herd's ass. n/t OnlinePoker Apr 2020 #24

Herd immunity only works when you have ONE form of disease...Not with over 35 mutations. Ford_Prefect Apr 2020 #25

Lots of assumptions there. Igel Apr 2020 #38

More on this story: hay rick Apr 2020 #28

I believe that test results from China and South Korea are showing... AntiFascist Apr 2020 #29

Not large. Igel Apr 2020 #40

I thought I recalled reading it was 30%... AntiFascist Apr 2020 #63

Fewer than 200 moosewhisperer Apr 2020 #42

I'm not sure if this link will show... Sancho Apr 2020 #31

I am one of the few non-experts on the wisdom of Sweden' approach Steelrolled Apr 2020 #39

No crow will be consumed. Igel Apr 2020 #41

If what works? LisaL Apr 2020 #45

I think we still need to keep the crow on the ready Steelrolled Apr 2020 #47

This is a highly controversial in Europe and Anders Tegnell is highly controversial himself. marble falls Apr 2020 #50

They're far from reaching herd immunity mainer Apr 2020 #51

They're at the US equivalent of 65,000 dead NickB79 Apr 2020 #55

Based on the opinion of one person... Hugin Apr 2020 #58

could work in a country where 3/4 are not overweight and lack health insurance or fear the costs Skittles Apr 2020 #61

They are steadily climbing up the list of deaths per million Marrah_Goodman Apr 2020 #62