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Kashkakat v.2.0

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45. OK, except even moderate dems are painted to be

Fri Nov 6, 2020, 09:49 AM

Nov 2020

socialist and radical leftist by the Repub smear machine.

That said, a missed opportunity continues to be defend the OLD new deal before, and in addition to adding on NEW new deal

Eliminating/privatizizng SS, medicare, public schools, roads, etc. eliminating environmental and workplace regulations are all long time goals of Repub party - since way before Trump entered the scene. Articulating this and defending all these things loudly and clearly ought to be a no brainer since the overwhelming majority support this.

BTW Universal web access ought to be on the list of new - new deal proposals, up near the top. This is pretty much essential for modern day work and living- 1 of 4 rural people still do not have access.

Looking forward to more of Pres B channeling his inner FDR!

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Centrist House Democrats lash out at liberal colleagues, blame far-left views for costing the party [View all] brooklynite Nov 2020 OP

"Far Left"? no_hypocrisy Nov 2020 #1

The fux noi$e got to her, it seems. Lock him up. Nov 2020 #18

This thread is not being flagged because it favors moderates. mysteryowl Nov 2020 #59

This message was self-deleted by its author Cartaphelius Nov 2020 #83

Post removed Post removed Nov 2020 #84

I'm not a centrist. mysteryowl Nov 2020 #102

Didn't claim you were, or did I? Cartaphelius Nov 2020 #109

all is well mysteryowl Nov 2020 #112

All is as it should be somewhere Cartaphelius Nov 2020 #124

The left needs to stop ignoring RW radio certainot Nov 2020 #116

This message was self-deleted by its author geralmar Nov 2020 #121

he who has the most money wins... stillcool Nov 2020 #139

no, it's still the radio. if trump/putin paid $1000 for a one hr infomercial 1200 stations x 15hrs/d certainot Nov 2020 #147

I would destroy all monopoly's stillcool Nov 2020 #148

i agree but it's a lot easier to pass the necessary legislation if the billionaires and corps don't certainot Nov 2020 #149

Our house majority depends on moderates...we lose them and we lose the house. It is a different Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #156

+1 Why don't we have 'labor news anymore? Most unions are appalachiablue Nov 2020 #154

You have to have the DownriverDem Nov 2020 #96

"I have never understood why folks are now progressive." jaxexpat Nov 2020 #133

"We need to not ever use the word 'socialist' or 'socialism' " I'm sure Republicans will follow suit ck4829 Nov 2020 #2

We can use the word "socialist". NotAPuppet Nov 2020 #7

Because the media won't do it. SergeStorms Nov 2020 #22

Exactly! mountain grammy Nov 2020 #50

MJ is a two faced weasel. He thinks it makes him a centrist. 58Sunliner Nov 2020 #134

FDR's favorite was 'Economic Royalists' ArizonaLib Nov 2020 #24

Nah. I say Nazis without balls. And I will continue to do so. Missn-Hitch Nov 2020 #60

100% TimeToGo Nov 2020 #65

Socialism as in roads and bridges (infrastructure... it's urgent) Lock him up. Nov 2020 #26

Socialism as, gab13by13 Nov 2020 #39

We need to flip the term "Socialsim" on its head by referring to "Corporate Socialism" world wide wally Nov 2020 #58

Repugs have been successful in labeling socialism/socialist in a bad light KS Toronado Nov 2020 #69

Exactly! Nasruddin Nov 2020 #75

SO MUCH THIS! OldBaldy1701E Nov 2020 #103

Exactly BigOleDummy Nov 2020 #107

They R for Socialism for the already Rich. Lock him up. Nov 2020 #111

Come on, people Nasruddin Nov 2020 #68

Apparently using the word "f*cking"is perfectly acceptable. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Nov 2020 #117

Good job, Washington Post Clearly fogged in Nov 2020 #3

Which other factual stories would you like them not to report on? brooklynite Nov 2020 #8

Maybe any other story that detracts from the work at hand Clearly fogged in Nov 2020 #10

How does is detract from the work at hand? brooklynite Nov 2020 #12

Mea culpa. Clearly fogged in Nov 2020 #15

HA! oldsoftie Nov 2020 #105

This is productive... nt EarthFirst Nov 2020 #4

This is exactly what we need right now. NotAPuppet Nov 2020 #5

"Defund the police" really hurt us Freddie Nov 2020 #6

"Defund the Police" is just like "socialism." moose65 Nov 2020 #11

Many Democrats have used that expression. For example: George II Nov 2020 #20

We need to start convincing the public at large that government programs work ArizonaLib Nov 2020 #31

I think if one is objectively looking at things, those politicians embracing the term still_one Nov 2020 #95

Members elected as Democrats who proudly identify as Democratic Socialists lapucelle Nov 2020 #108

Yes. Newest Reality Nov 2020 #14

We understand, but most people don't do subtlety Freddie Nov 2020 #21

Yup. Newest Reality Nov 2020 #23

We need to get better with bumper stickers ArizonaLib Nov 2020 #33

Democrats need to be on offense MacKasey Nov 2020 #9

We have to get together on this. GoneOffShore Nov 2020 #13

Totally agree MacKasey Nov 2020 #28

The perfect is the enemy of the good. olegramps Nov 2020 #57

At least now progressives can stop being smeared with the "purity" label. theaocp Nov 2020 #16

Republicans are far better at framing lonely bird Nov 2020 #17

Centrists have been in full control of the Democratic party for decades. Roisin Ni Fiachra Nov 2020 #19

The centrists play 'prevent defense' ArizonaLib Nov 2020 #37

Moderates Won us our Democratic Cha Nov 2020 #52

We need more intra-party compromise. We need unity. Roisin Ni Fiachra Nov 2020 #89

Someone please name radical part of Joe's platform. marble falls Nov 2020 #25

I think you are going to hear crickets for the near future ArizonaLib Nov 2020 #43

Joe Biden is not a radical and has never been one. Progressive dog Nov 2020 #70

Defund the police slogan offers a smart possibility. Zipgun Nov 2020 #27

Streamline the Police!?! BasicallyComplicated Nov 2020 #53

"Unburden the police of non-police work." marble falls Nov 2020 #76

Centrists: Finger pointing is for Trump SmartVoter22 Nov 2020 #29

I totally agree bucolic_frolic Nov 2020 #30

Wrong, but makes for good fox news talking points hellno45 Nov 2020 #38

Actually, in reality, bucolic_frolic Nov 2020 #46

Progressive ideas didn't cost us House seats, GOP gerrymandering & voter suppression hellno45 Nov 2020 #47

That is YOUR opinion. It is not a fact. Appreciate that others don't agree with you. bucolic_frolic Nov 2020 #151

They campaigned against Hillary for decades ArizonaLib Nov 2020 #48

More on Spanberger in particular: mahatmakanejeeves Nov 2020 #32

Without progressives in the party, the youth turnout would have been much lower Fiendish Thingy Nov 2020 #34

Pelosi knows the importance of being diplomatic... NurseJackie Nov 2020 #42

+1 n/t Hiawatha Pete Nov 2020 #77

As a constituent of one of these centrist Dems, DeminPennswoods Nov 2020 #35

I respectfully disagree. Americans run like sheep whenever the word "socialism" is mentioned. shrike3 Nov 2020 #41

they run like sheep when they hear the word 'socialism' because they hear "black and brown people bonniebgood Nov 2020 #63

That's part of it, yes, definitely. Americans obsess over the notion that someone shrike3 Nov 2020 #64

Not sure Nasruddin Nov 2020 #81

I think progressives are overestimating how popular they are at the moment. shrike3 Nov 2020 #97

The way I hear it, all Republicans are socialists. theaocp Nov 2020 #126

Well. That sounds good in theory, but we don't have the built-in media shrike3 Nov 2020 #128

I recommend trying to spread the message. theaocp Nov 2020 #129

If you think you can combatting a whole wall of propaganda is "super easy, shrike3 Nov 2020 #141

Yes, it is. theaocp Nov 2020 #150

People love "socialist" ideas when presented in language and ideas DeminPennswoods Nov 2020 #92

Again, I respectfully disagree. shrike3 Nov 2020 #94

Disagree if you like, but DeminPennswoods Nov 2020 #145

I lulz'd KG Nov 2020 #36

It's beautiful to be a Democrat. After Donald Trump Democrats Roc2020 Nov 2020 #40

The policies are good, besides being popular - but the word 'Socialist' has to go sandensea Nov 2020 #44

OK, except even moderate dems are painted to be Kashkakat v.2.0 Nov 2020 #45

back asswards... myohmy2 Nov 2020 #49

Reflect, learn, take action, very good. Point fingers, lash out, waste time, very, very bad. 0nirevets Nov 2020 #51

Pfft! The words aren't the problem. The problem is Republicans, helped by ... WePurrsevere Nov 2020 #54

We don't have that big of a lead now in the house. Every single democrat will be vsrazdem Nov 2020 #55

Whatever fucking idiot that came up with the phrase "Defund the Police" The Mouth Nov 2020 #56

The response Nasruddin Nov 2020 #72

Anyone uttering it should have been shut down, hard The Mouth Nov 2020 #127

Centrist Dems cite red scare as reason for no blow out. intheflow Nov 2020 #61

We just had a huge win and the senate is still very much in play can't we be happy for one minute? Botany Nov 2020 #62

+1 Hiawatha Pete Nov 2020 #80

This piece is designed to stir up shit Botany Nov 2020 #90

Remember Roy Rolling Nov 2020 #66

Bull. hadEnuf Nov 2020 #67

"Maybe some of these "centrists" need to stop kissing GOP ass." I agree. Stop playing nice. nt Hotler Nov 2020 #78

IT was the Centrist Democratic leaders, who sold out the American Workers.... doctorzuma Nov 2020 #71

Ditch "Socialism". Call it FDR Democracy pfitz59 Nov 2020 #73

Yes Roy Rolling Nov 2020 #100

Children seta1950 Nov 2020 #74

Good. That way they can blame God, not the Orange Menace for their loss. Easy way out. Firestorm49 Nov 2020 #79

I think the r's need to accept Marthe48 Nov 2020 #82

Well that didn't take long CanonRay Nov 2020 #85

If we wonder why the country has drifted so far to the right since the 1970's Centrists like jalan48 Nov 2020 #86

Idiots. This is an unusual year and it's not possible to pin down an exact cause for anything: shotten99 Nov 2020 #87

PURE BULLSHIT. ancianita Nov 2020 #88

This message was self-deleted by its author CatLady78 Nov 2020 #91

So... jayfish Nov 2020 #93

Centrists are the reason we are desperately grabbing for votes as we try to keep not_the_one Nov 2020 #98

People do not regard social security as socialism. shrike3 Nov 2020 #101

You had me up to "Democrats need to work on our communication skills... " ancianita Nov 2020 #138

It wasn't the fault of the left. It was the red-baiting fear-mongering by the Trump campaign that Nitram Nov 2020 #99

Well, there were a few here who warned about going to extremes. oldsoftie Nov 2020 #104

Is this a real issue or one manufactured by the media? matt819 Nov 2020 #106

We do this every election whether we or lose. Its time to stop, its self destructive. marble falls Nov 2020 #110

Representive Spanberger beat David Brat in a red district in 2018. westerebus Nov 2020 #113

Do you think we could at least wait until after the Inauguration to pick fights with each other yellowdogintexas Nov 2020 #114

They're just worried we might bluestateboomer Nov 2020 #115

We need to stop letting the GOP define the language and terms Scalded Nun Nov 2020 #118

Hey. Consider this. TryLogic Nov 2020 #119

Let me just see what happens when I put this gun in my mouth Jakes Progress Nov 2020 #120

I know that the word "socialism" is a boogeyman Dopers_Greed Nov 2020 #122

Bottom line: our messaging is alienating and must improve. slumcamper Nov 2020 #123

But, but. . . then I can't show how superior I am. Jakes Progress Nov 2020 #125

HA! That's great--and you implicitly raise a critical point. slumcamper Nov 2020 #130

Sounds like corporate money influence is driving this argument. diva77 Nov 2020 #131

Post removed Post removed Nov 2020 #132

Do you have a list of the 6 who lost? Polybius Nov 2020 #136

Democratic House members who lost: PopsMouth Nov 2020 #152

That's not even including Max Rose, who is certain to lose Polybius Nov 2020 #153

I was thrilled when Max Rose won 2 years ago, but realized that he instantly had a target... George II Nov 2020 #159

No, 2010 was the last time Polybius Nov 2020 #160

You're right, sorry. I forgot how the Staten Island district has morphed over the years.... George II Nov 2020 #161

I can't decide...big mouths, small minds stillcool Nov 2020 #135

I have another idea. James48 Nov 2020 #137

I think it's stupid to point fingers but I do think there is a danger that we are overlooking. cstanleytech Nov 2020 #140

These centrist politicians are almost as delusional as Trumpistas. generalbetrayus Nov 2020 #142

Uh, to hell with your feelings. I mean that in the nicest way, of course Warpy Nov 2020 #143

sociallisim,,, AllaN01Bear Nov 2020 #144

But it doesn't....for the millionth time. brooklynite Nov 2020 #146

This is compulsory reading for understanding today's Democratic Party. mahatmakanejeeves Nov 2020 #155

HOW MANY centrist and far left colleagues are we talking about - one or two or three? OR Kashkakat v.2.0 Nov 2020 #157

I'm not going to take the bait here... MountCleaners Nov 2020 #158

That's bullshit - the GOP paints ALL Democrats as far left TexasBushwhacker Nov 2020 #162